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Recently, the cited text to this section (which had quasi-justification for an incident) was changed and replaced with new cited text from a website. The new text was from a BBC website but clearly there are problems: First, the website states it was "written by the public" and only collected by the website so there are WP:RS and WP:VERIFY problems. Second, the website article has no inline cites; third, no relevant connection is shown by the information as to the battle mentioned in the website article and the subject of this article. The burden is on the one wanting to add new material to show same. That has not been done, thus far, so it has been removed. Kierzek ( talk) 12:26, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello. My English is bad, so I beg your pardon... This massacre took place in commune Esquelbecq, which is a part of Canton of Wormhout, and not in commune Wormhout. Yours. Kadbzh ( talk) 13:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
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- À Esquelbecq, cérémonie à 16 h 30 au mémorial de la plaine au bois pour le 70e anniversaire du massacre par les SS de soldats anglais et gallois faits prisonniers. [1] Durant cet affrontement, une centaine de soldats appartenant aux Royal Warwickshire Régiment, Cheshire Régiment et Royal Artillery sont faits prisonniers, puis menés et enfermés dans une grange implantée sur une pâture au lieu-dit « la Plaine au Bois » à Esquelbecq. Ils sont alors assassinés par des éléments du régiment SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, la garde personnelle du führer, qui n’ont pas supporté que l’on puisse leur opposer une telle résistance. [2] LA PLAINE AU BOIS, Esquelbecq Rue des Duinkerk Vétérans Site de mémoire de la Seconde Guerre mondiale où s’est produit un massacre honteux. Le 28 mai 1940, les Allemands attaquent le nœud routier de Wormhout, point stratégique pour leur progression vers Dunkerque, défendu avec acharnement par les Britanniques. Durant cet affrontement, une centaine de soldats appartenant aux Royal Warwickshire Régiment, Cheshire Régiment et Royal Artillery sont faits prisonniers, puis menés et enfermés dans une grange implantée sur une pâture au lieu-dit « la Plaine au Bois » à Esquelbecq. [3] Visite libre du site de la Plaine au Bois, tous les jours de la semaine. Visite guidée possible sur réservation préalable au 03.28.62.88.57 (Office de Tourisme**/Maison du Westhoek). [4] Du 1er au 3 novembre 1996 : Déplacement des « Vétérans 1940 » de Llandudno à Wormhout et Esquelbecq. (...) Visualisation du Massacre d’Esquelbecq sur différents téléviseurs. [5] French ask for help to preserve British PoW massacre site, By Neil Tweedie 12:00AM GMT 24 Nov 2000 THE mayor (???) of a French village has made an urgent appeal for help in preserving the site of a massacre of British PoWs by the SS. Guy Rommelaire has raised £15,000 to buy the field near his home village of Esquelbecq, where some 80 British troops captured on the retreat to Dunkirk in 1940 were murdered in a barn by the SS using grenades and machineguns. Only a few escaped. [6] Plaque in Esquelbecq br:Restr:PlakennLazhadegLaPlaineauBoisMaeEkelsbeke1940.jpg Seconde Guerre mondiale : L’occupation allemande débuta fin mai 40 par une bataille atroce à laquelle rien ne destinait la commune. 84 soldats britanniques furent massacrés par les SS de la division Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, à la Plaine au Bois. Un mémorial, en témoignage de ce crime de guerre, est érigé route de Wormhout, et plus récemment la grange du massacre a été reconstruite à l’identique. Le commandant du régiment était Sepp Dietrich. fr:Esquelbecq Site de mémoire de LA PLAINE AU BOIS à ESQUELBECQ. Le site de mémoire de la Plaine au Bois est situé rue des DUNKIRK VETERANS à ESQUELBECQ. C'est un lieu de souvenir de 2,40 ha qui évoque le massacre du 28 mai 1940 de 80 soldats britanniques faits prisonniers et assassinés par les S.S. de la garde personnelle d'Adolf HITLER. [7] Le circuit passe par le site du mémorial de la Plaine au Bois à Esquelbecq où une centaine de soldats anglais furent massacrés par les allemands le 28 mai 1940. [8] Arrival at massacre site Auteur : Matt Tryon - 11 March 2012 ESQUELBECQ [9] Wormhoudt massacre, 59470 Esquelbecq, Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais [10] |
-- Kadbzh ( talk) 13:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
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[14]. The barn is 8 mm under the "n" of La Plaine au Bois", in the cross of the three lanes and the ditch (blue pecked line).
deputy mayor of Esquelbecq, secretary of the franco-british association for the plaine au bois memorial BBC - WW2 People's War |
--— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kadbzh ( talk • contribs) 19:31, 27 August 2012
Guys, so where exactly did the massacre take place then? Can you clarify/confirm that please? I just learned about this event through watching the BBC documentary, and came here to learn more still (which is what makes Wikipedia so nice) but I'm a little confused through your discussion. In the infobox on main article it just says in location of " Wormout". Thanks! Az x2 17:04, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Guys. I'm not the editor to do it right now, but I think this article could benefit from an expanded lead. As an example of what I'm thinking, here is the intro the [ Paradis massacre] article:
The Le Paradis massacre was a war crime committed by members of the 14th Company, SS Division Totenkopf, under the command of Hauptsturmführer Fritz Knöchlein. It took place on 27 May 1940, during the Battle of France, at a time when the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) was attempting to retreat through the Pas-de-Calais region during the Battle of Dunkirk.
Soldiers of the 2nd Battalion, the Royal Norfolk Regiment, had become isolated from their regiment. They occupied and defended a farmhouse against an attack by Waffen-SS forces in the village of Le Paradis. After running out of ammunition, the defenders surrendered to the German troops. The Germans led them across the road to a wall, and machine-gunned them. Ninety-seven British troops died. Two survived, with injuries, and hid until they were captured by German forces several days later.
After the war, Fritz Knöchlein was located, tried and convicted by a war crimes court, with the two survivors acting as witnesses against him. For his part in the massacre, Knöchlein was executed in 1949.
What do you think? Could something like the above be done for here? Thanks. Az x2 17:16, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
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Recently, the cited text to this section (which had quasi-justification for an incident) was changed and replaced with new cited text from a website. The new text was from a BBC website but clearly there are problems: First, the website states it was "written by the public" and only collected by the website so there are WP:RS and WP:VERIFY problems. Second, the website article has no inline cites; third, no relevant connection is shown by the information as to the battle mentioned in the website article and the subject of this article. The burden is on the one wanting to add new material to show same. That has not been done, thus far, so it has been removed. Kierzek ( talk) 12:26, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello. My English is bad, so I beg your pardon... This massacre took place in commune Esquelbecq, which is a part of Canton of Wormhout, and not in commune Wormhout. Yours. Kadbzh ( talk) 13:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Some sources
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- À Esquelbecq, cérémonie à 16 h 30 au mémorial de la plaine au bois pour le 70e anniversaire du massacre par les SS de soldats anglais et gallois faits prisonniers. [1] Durant cet affrontement, une centaine de soldats appartenant aux Royal Warwickshire Régiment, Cheshire Régiment et Royal Artillery sont faits prisonniers, puis menés et enfermés dans une grange implantée sur une pâture au lieu-dit « la Plaine au Bois » à Esquelbecq. Ils sont alors assassinés par des éléments du régiment SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, la garde personnelle du führer, qui n’ont pas supporté que l’on puisse leur opposer une telle résistance. [2] LA PLAINE AU BOIS, Esquelbecq Rue des Duinkerk Vétérans Site de mémoire de la Seconde Guerre mondiale où s’est produit un massacre honteux. Le 28 mai 1940, les Allemands attaquent le nœud routier de Wormhout, point stratégique pour leur progression vers Dunkerque, défendu avec acharnement par les Britanniques. Durant cet affrontement, une centaine de soldats appartenant aux Royal Warwickshire Régiment, Cheshire Régiment et Royal Artillery sont faits prisonniers, puis menés et enfermés dans une grange implantée sur une pâture au lieu-dit « la Plaine au Bois » à Esquelbecq. [3] Visite libre du site de la Plaine au Bois, tous les jours de la semaine. Visite guidée possible sur réservation préalable au 03.28.62.88.57 (Office de Tourisme**/Maison du Westhoek). [4] Du 1er au 3 novembre 1996 : Déplacement des « Vétérans 1940 » de Llandudno à Wormhout et Esquelbecq. (...) Visualisation du Massacre d’Esquelbecq sur différents téléviseurs. [5] French ask for help to preserve British PoW massacre site, By Neil Tweedie 12:00AM GMT 24 Nov 2000 THE mayor (???) of a French village has made an urgent appeal for help in preserving the site of a massacre of British PoWs by the SS. Guy Rommelaire has raised £15,000 to buy the field near his home village of Esquelbecq, where some 80 British troops captured on the retreat to Dunkirk in 1940 were murdered in a barn by the SS using grenades and machineguns. Only a few escaped. [6] Plaque in Esquelbecq br:Restr:PlakennLazhadegLaPlaineauBoisMaeEkelsbeke1940.jpg Seconde Guerre mondiale : L’occupation allemande débuta fin mai 40 par une bataille atroce à laquelle rien ne destinait la commune. 84 soldats britanniques furent massacrés par les SS de la division Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, à la Plaine au Bois. Un mémorial, en témoignage de ce crime de guerre, est érigé route de Wormhout, et plus récemment la grange du massacre a été reconstruite à l’identique. Le commandant du régiment était Sepp Dietrich. fr:Esquelbecq Site de mémoire de LA PLAINE AU BOIS à ESQUELBECQ. Le site de mémoire de la Plaine au Bois est situé rue des DUNKIRK VETERANS à ESQUELBECQ. C'est un lieu de souvenir de 2,40 ha qui évoque le massacre du 28 mai 1940 de 80 soldats britanniques faits prisonniers et assassinés par les S.S. de la garde personnelle d'Adolf HITLER. [7] Le circuit passe par le site du mémorial de la Plaine au Bois à Esquelbecq où une centaine de soldats anglais furent massacrés par les allemands le 28 mai 1940. [8] Arrival at massacre site Auteur : Matt Tryon - 11 March 2012 ESQUELBECQ [9] Wormhoudt massacre, 59470 Esquelbecq, Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais [10] |
-- Kadbzh ( talk) 13:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Some more sources
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[14]. The barn is 8 mm under the "n" of La Plaine au Bois", in the cross of the three lanes and the ditch (blue pecked line).
deputy mayor of Esquelbecq, secretary of the franco-british association for the plaine au bois memorial BBC - WW2 People's War |
--— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kadbzh ( talk • contribs) 19:31, 27 August 2012
Guys, so where exactly did the massacre take place then? Can you clarify/confirm that please? I just learned about this event through watching the BBC documentary, and came here to learn more still (which is what makes Wikipedia so nice) but I'm a little confused through your discussion. In the infobox on main article it just says in location of " Wormout". Thanks! Az x2 17:04, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Guys. I'm not the editor to do it right now, but I think this article could benefit from an expanded lead. As an example of what I'm thinking, here is the intro the [ Paradis massacre] article:
The Le Paradis massacre was a war crime committed by members of the 14th Company, SS Division Totenkopf, under the command of Hauptsturmführer Fritz Knöchlein. It took place on 27 May 1940, during the Battle of France, at a time when the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) was attempting to retreat through the Pas-de-Calais region during the Battle of Dunkirk.
Soldiers of the 2nd Battalion, the Royal Norfolk Regiment, had become isolated from their regiment. They occupied and defended a farmhouse against an attack by Waffen-SS forces in the village of Le Paradis. After running out of ammunition, the defenders surrendered to the German troops. The Germans led them across the road to a wall, and machine-gunned them. Ninety-seven British troops died. Two survived, with injuries, and hid until they were captured by German forces several days later.
After the war, Fritz Knöchlein was located, tried and convicted by a war crimes court, with the two survivors acting as witnesses against him. For his part in the massacre, Knöchlein was executed in 1949.
What do you think? Could something like the above be done for here? Thanks. Az x2 17:16, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
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Description: Legal and Compensation: Waldheim 'Alleged War Crimes'; Allied POWs Mukden; Wormhoudt Massacre.
Released 24 July 2019.
I don't know what's in this file. During the present Covid-19 outbreak the National Archives are closed, and it may be several months before anyone can access it. Good luck with it though. George Hutchinson —Preceding undated comment added 16:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)