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This seems to be a conflation of the Yugoslav Partisans' term "national liberation war" or "people's liberation war", and Macedonia, but the phrase can't be found in many sources as such. If we're going to use a descriptive title, a more common English phrase would be more suitable. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 12:00, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Absent an actual solution, I've moved this to "World War II in Yugoslav Macedonia" which seems sufficiently innocuous yet descriptive. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 20:14, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
This is a badly biased POV article based mostly on FYROM 'sources' dating 2002 or newer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.6.247.54 ( talk) 08:32, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
To certain users pumping imagery with Nazi symbolism, I remind that wikipedia is not an image gallery. For what picture remain, please try to diversify the imagery between left-leaning and right-leaning Macedonians to avoid POV/cherry picking territory. -- Beat of the tapan ( talk) 12:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
The description of the image of protesters in Sofia, needs to be corrected. The Map that is the main focus of the image clearly says Independent Macedonia and it is not praising unification with Bulgaria but quite opposite, Macedonia stands alone. The poster banner left of it, says the words One Nation, One King, One Kingdom, that can be referred as some unification but that is just point of view of the viewer. Therefore please make the proper changes of the description.-- Forbidden History ( talk) 09:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Per lot of reliable secondary and primary sources it was just symbolic. General Erich Schmidt-Richberg did not mention any Partisan units that fought the Germans as soon as they entered Yugoslav territory in Macedonia. Schmidt-Richberg who was chief of staff of Army Group E, only mentioned Bulgarian divisions, which had changed camps and were now fighting the Germans. Stalin told Tito at a meeting then that the Bulgarian army was much superior to Partisans, praising the professionalism of its officers. The Russian officers also treated the Yugoslav Partisans as unknowledgeable and as a second-rate army. The British general Walter Oxley confirms for example that Skopje was liberated by Bulgarian forces, while the Macedonian Partisans remained in the surrounding hills, and came down only to celebrate their entrance to the city. Please stop pushing former Yugoslav and current North Macedonian propaganda here. It is just a fringe view. Jingiby ( talk) 18:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, User:19999o. Kosta Tsarnushanov was a Bulgarian public figure, born in what is today North Macedonia. He was a member of the Macedonian Youth Secret Revolutionary Organization, historian, publicist and folklorist, author of historical studies, historical novels and memoirs. He really returned to Macedonia with the establishment of Bulgarian power in the region in the period 1941-1944 as a school inspector of the Bitola region. The book in question that you dispute is an university publication that went out of print after the fall of communism in 1992 and is cited in many places on Wikipedia, including by Western researchers of the Macedonian question. Of course, this author has some flaws and therefore his citation should be careful. In this particular case, he refers to a Yugoslav source - Encyclopedia of Yugoslavia, which you also have deleted as unreliable source before. Once two sources from different periods and from different countries support the same circumstance, it cannot be arbitrarily questioned. By the way, Chavdar Marinov also has mentioned Bane Andreev's pro-Bulgarian activities in Entangled Histories of the Balkans - Volume Two on p. 537. Marinov, I think, has indisputable authority as a neutral author. Try on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard Jingiby ( talk) 17:31, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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This seems to be a conflation of the Yugoslav Partisans' term "national liberation war" or "people's liberation war", and Macedonia, but the phrase can't be found in many sources as such. If we're going to use a descriptive title, a more common English phrase would be more suitable. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 12:00, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Absent an actual solution, I've moved this to "World War II in Yugoslav Macedonia" which seems sufficiently innocuous yet descriptive. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 20:14, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
This is a badly biased POV article based mostly on FYROM 'sources' dating 2002 or newer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.6.247.54 ( talk) 08:32, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
To certain users pumping imagery with Nazi symbolism, I remind that wikipedia is not an image gallery. For what picture remain, please try to diversify the imagery between left-leaning and right-leaning Macedonians to avoid POV/cherry picking territory. -- Beat of the tapan ( talk) 12:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
The description of the image of protesters in Sofia, needs to be corrected. The Map that is the main focus of the image clearly says Independent Macedonia and it is not praising unification with Bulgaria but quite opposite, Macedonia stands alone. The poster banner left of it, says the words One Nation, One King, One Kingdom, that can be referred as some unification but that is just point of view of the viewer. Therefore please make the proper changes of the description.-- Forbidden History ( talk) 09:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Per lot of reliable secondary and primary sources it was just symbolic. General Erich Schmidt-Richberg did not mention any Partisan units that fought the Germans as soon as they entered Yugoslav territory in Macedonia. Schmidt-Richberg who was chief of staff of Army Group E, only mentioned Bulgarian divisions, which had changed camps and were now fighting the Germans. Stalin told Tito at a meeting then that the Bulgarian army was much superior to Partisans, praising the professionalism of its officers. The Russian officers also treated the Yugoslav Partisans as unknowledgeable and as a second-rate army. The British general Walter Oxley confirms for example that Skopje was liberated by Bulgarian forces, while the Macedonian Partisans remained in the surrounding hills, and came down only to celebrate their entrance to the city. Please stop pushing former Yugoslav and current North Macedonian propaganda here. It is just a fringe view. Jingiby ( talk) 18:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, User:19999o. Kosta Tsarnushanov was a Bulgarian public figure, born in what is today North Macedonia. He was a member of the Macedonian Youth Secret Revolutionary Organization, historian, publicist and folklorist, author of historical studies, historical novels and memoirs. He really returned to Macedonia with the establishment of Bulgarian power in the region in the period 1941-1944 as a school inspector of the Bitola region. The book in question that you dispute is an university publication that went out of print after the fall of communism in 1992 and is cited in many places on Wikipedia, including by Western researchers of the Macedonian question. Of course, this author has some flaws and therefore his citation should be careful. In this particular case, he refers to a Yugoslav source - Encyclopedia of Yugoslavia, which you also have deleted as unreliable source before. Once two sources from different periods and from different countries support the same circumstance, it cannot be arbitrarily questioned. By the way, Chavdar Marinov also has mentioned Bane Andreev's pro-Bulgarian activities in Entangled Histories of the Balkans - Volume Two on p. 537. Marinov, I think, has indisputable authority as a neutral author. Try on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard Jingiby ( talk) 17:31, 11 February 2024 (UTC)