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I do not understand what this means in the article: "While Albanian writers never tired of pointing out that the communists liberated Albania without a single Soviet soldier setting foot on its territory, they often neglected to mention that the communist forces in Albania were organized by the Yugoslavs and armed by the West or that the Axis retreat from Albania was in response to military defeats outside the country". 1.Did the writer expect Albanians to fight the Italians and Germans until Rome or Berlin? 2.As I learned the history the communists in Albania were not organized by Yugoslavs (if so how can it be explained that the relationships were broken 3 years after the war?). Nervi modest 20:13, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am planning to move the paragraph about the early Communist movement to the article about Albania between the wars and delete the information about Hoxha's and Shehu's earlier years and add to their biographies what still isn't there. Andres 07:35, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)
According to the article, the the name 'Balli Kombetar' translates into National Union. Now, I have a very limited understanding of Albanian, but I do believe that 'Balli' means something like either the head or forehead, but Kombetar (Komtar, in the dialect that I'm familiar with) does mean soemthing like nation. So, if my knowledge of Albanian is correct, Balli Kombetar means something like 'Head of the Nation', not 'National Union'.
I guess, though, that the meanings of various words could be different in the different dialects of Albanian, so that could cause some confusion. -- Stamford 00:20, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The Greek irredentist movement of Northern Epirus Liberation Front (for highly POV and no veracity claims see talk page here [1]) has no place here. Maybe you can place it to Greek Resistance article, in the end it claims to be a branch of EDES. Aigest ( talk) 13:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Of course for Zikos' battalion. Maybe a Greeks participation on NFC (or smth like that) article can be created. I am getting other materials on that topic, maybe there was another battalion apart "Thanas Ziko" called "Lefter Talo battalion" I am not sure it was 100% of Greeks, the references point more to a mixed battalion. Also some others have fought under different partisan brigades. Anyway the materials are more memories than scientific work. As soon as I will find smth more RS i will bring it here. Aigest ( talk) 13:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Put it back 99.236.221.124 ( talk) 17:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Regarding the first comment, the article actually says that Albanian Partisans asisted the Yugoslav ones in the liberation of Montenegro and southern Bosnia. However, the article does say that Albanian Partisans liberated Kosovo. This is a big fact and it could/should be better sourced. FkpCascais ( talk) 06:01, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
I think that Balli Kombetar should be regarded as a third faction since it fought against the Communists, the Italians and the Germans.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 14:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
I believe non of you who discuss here have any real knowledge about WW2 in Albania. Read more books (not only from foreign writers) then start editing pages on Wikipedia. You all are a shame to Albanian history. by Dasius. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.78.79.153 ( talk) 14:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
The article states: "During the Nazi occupation most Jews in Albania proper were saved, although others in the Kosovo region were deported and killed." and doesn't address the question any further, surely this merits some more in-depth discussion, the main Wiki article on the Holocaust states that Albania actually had more Jews at the end of the war than at the beginning, since Jewish escapees from other parts of Europe were given false papers and allowed to survive. Especially as Albania is/was a Muslim country, this should be treated more prominently (I realize this is an article on Albanian resistance which is not precisely the right header but there doesn't seem to be a general history of Albania during World War Two [I know that means I should create one myself you don't have to remind me.]. Historian932 ( talk) 02:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to contribute,just find some proper sources first and add information.The "Holocaust in Albania" article though contains thorough information. Nixious6
There is very little information regarding the background,I propose to add a new heading about the Italian invasion and the local resistance leading to the communist and nationalist resistance.Anyone disagree? Nixious6 —Preceding undated comment added 12:10, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Nobody oppose?Then I will proceed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixious6 ( talk • contribs) 21:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
I want to add a section in the article about Kosovo and Macedonia including information about the Vulnetari and the Balli Kombetar's activity there.Any objections? Euripides ψ ( talk) 21:31, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
So despite later mythology, Hoxha and his Partisans did only very limited damage to the Germans. They were rarely able to hold fixed positions if those positions threatened German lines of communications or German security in general. The large areas which Partisans controlled by late 1944 were generally ones in which the Germans had little interest. The largest battle took place in late October 1944 when the Germans had all but withdrawn from Albania.
Although the pacification of Albania through the construction of an independent regime with prestige and its own military authority largely eluded the Germans, they were able to hold the strategic points in Albania with a small number of troops, a number which steadily declined throughout the course of 1944. And the German army was able to withdraw, essentially unmolested with only moderate losses (about 2,400 with another 1,000 unaccounted for) over the period of the entire occupation.
The Germans could spare only about one third of the troops Italy had found it necessary to station in Albania — approximately 36,000 mostly garrison troops many of whom had been prisoners of war before being persuaded to join the German army.
Alexikoua ( talk) 08:15, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
To begin with the infobox the numbers are clearly out of reality. Pearson as a tertiary journal is widely critized for his way to be based on partisan material. To make a brief comparison there is a claim of 600,000 occupation troops, while Fischer offers a limited number of 36,000 German troops which equalals one third of the Italian troops: doing the math we habe a total of 158k German&Italian occupation troops in contrast to the extraordinary 600k.
A similar discrepancy is evident in the casaulties infobox field: we 3,4000 German losses (included non-recorded) per Fischer as opposed to the supposed 26,595 total Axis loses by the Albanian resistance in the current article. Alexikoua ( talk) 08:24, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
There was an article that was created that has no background information and seems as if it might be good to merge into this article.
One problem is that the only source is a blog, so it likely would need to be properly sourced and rewritten a bit.
Would this be the proper place to discuss the liberation of Tirana in a bit more detail?– CaroleHenson ( talk) 02:22, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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I do not understand what this means in the article: "While Albanian writers never tired of pointing out that the communists liberated Albania without a single Soviet soldier setting foot on its territory, they often neglected to mention that the communist forces in Albania were organized by the Yugoslavs and armed by the West or that the Axis retreat from Albania was in response to military defeats outside the country". 1.Did the writer expect Albanians to fight the Italians and Germans until Rome or Berlin? 2.As I learned the history the communists in Albania were not organized by Yugoslavs (if so how can it be explained that the relationships were broken 3 years after the war?). Nervi modest 20:13, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I am planning to move the paragraph about the early Communist movement to the article about Albania between the wars and delete the information about Hoxha's and Shehu's earlier years and add to their biographies what still isn't there. Andres 07:35, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)
According to the article, the the name 'Balli Kombetar' translates into National Union. Now, I have a very limited understanding of Albanian, but I do believe that 'Balli' means something like either the head or forehead, but Kombetar (Komtar, in the dialect that I'm familiar with) does mean soemthing like nation. So, if my knowledge of Albanian is correct, Balli Kombetar means something like 'Head of the Nation', not 'National Union'.
I guess, though, that the meanings of various words could be different in the different dialects of Albanian, so that could cause some confusion. -- Stamford 00:20, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The Greek irredentist movement of Northern Epirus Liberation Front (for highly POV and no veracity claims see talk page here [1]) has no place here. Maybe you can place it to Greek Resistance article, in the end it claims to be a branch of EDES. Aigest ( talk) 13:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Of course for Zikos' battalion. Maybe a Greeks participation on NFC (or smth like that) article can be created. I am getting other materials on that topic, maybe there was another battalion apart "Thanas Ziko" called "Lefter Talo battalion" I am not sure it was 100% of Greeks, the references point more to a mixed battalion. Also some others have fought under different partisan brigades. Anyway the materials are more memories than scientific work. As soon as I will find smth more RS i will bring it here. Aigest ( talk) 13:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Put it back 99.236.221.124 ( talk) 17:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Regarding the first comment, the article actually says that Albanian Partisans asisted the Yugoslav ones in the liberation of Montenegro and southern Bosnia. However, the article does say that Albanian Partisans liberated Kosovo. This is a big fact and it could/should be better sourced. FkpCascais ( talk) 06:01, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
I think that Balli Kombetar should be regarded as a third faction since it fought against the Communists, the Italians and the Germans.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 14:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
I believe non of you who discuss here have any real knowledge about WW2 in Albania. Read more books (not only from foreign writers) then start editing pages on Wikipedia. You all are a shame to Albanian history. by Dasius. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.78.79.153 ( talk) 14:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
The article states: "During the Nazi occupation most Jews in Albania proper were saved, although others in the Kosovo region were deported and killed." and doesn't address the question any further, surely this merits some more in-depth discussion, the main Wiki article on the Holocaust states that Albania actually had more Jews at the end of the war than at the beginning, since Jewish escapees from other parts of Europe were given false papers and allowed to survive. Especially as Albania is/was a Muslim country, this should be treated more prominently (I realize this is an article on Albanian resistance which is not precisely the right header but there doesn't seem to be a general history of Albania during World War Two [I know that means I should create one myself you don't have to remind me.]. Historian932 ( talk) 02:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to contribute,just find some proper sources first and add information.The "Holocaust in Albania" article though contains thorough information. Nixious6
There is very little information regarding the background,I propose to add a new heading about the Italian invasion and the local resistance leading to the communist and nationalist resistance.Anyone disagree? Nixious6 —Preceding undated comment added 12:10, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Nobody oppose?Then I will proceed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixious6 ( talk • contribs) 21:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
I want to add a section in the article about Kosovo and Macedonia including information about the Vulnetari and the Balli Kombetar's activity there.Any objections? Euripides ψ ( talk) 21:31, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
So despite later mythology, Hoxha and his Partisans did only very limited damage to the Germans. They were rarely able to hold fixed positions if those positions threatened German lines of communications or German security in general. The large areas which Partisans controlled by late 1944 were generally ones in which the Germans had little interest. The largest battle took place in late October 1944 when the Germans had all but withdrawn from Albania.
Although the pacification of Albania through the construction of an independent regime with prestige and its own military authority largely eluded the Germans, they were able to hold the strategic points in Albania with a small number of troops, a number which steadily declined throughout the course of 1944. And the German army was able to withdraw, essentially unmolested with only moderate losses (about 2,400 with another 1,000 unaccounted for) over the period of the entire occupation.
The Germans could spare only about one third of the troops Italy had found it necessary to station in Albania — approximately 36,000 mostly garrison troops many of whom had been prisoners of war before being persuaded to join the German army.
Alexikoua ( talk) 08:15, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
To begin with the infobox the numbers are clearly out of reality. Pearson as a tertiary journal is widely critized for his way to be based on partisan material. To make a brief comparison there is a claim of 600,000 occupation troops, while Fischer offers a limited number of 36,000 German troops which equalals one third of the Italian troops: doing the math we habe a total of 158k German&Italian occupation troops in contrast to the extraordinary 600k.
A similar discrepancy is evident in the casaulties infobox field: we 3,4000 German losses (included non-recorded) per Fischer as opposed to the supposed 26,595 total Axis loses by the Albanian resistance in the current article. Alexikoua ( talk) 08:24, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
There was an article that was created that has no background information and seems as if it might be good to merge into this article.
One problem is that the only source is a blog, so it likely would need to be properly sourced and rewritten a bit.
Would this be the proper place to discuss the liberation of Tirana in a bit more detail?– CaroleHenson ( talk) 02:22, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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