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This article, as with the list of World Series champions, leaves the reader with the impression that there was going to be a 1904 Series and that the Giants boycotted it. That's not quite true. The Series of 1903 was arranged between the ball clubs. The 1904 Giants announced weeks ahead that they did not intend to play a post-season Series against the AL champion (which, at the time of the announcement, looked like it could be the Yankees). No Series was scheduled for 1904, so reporting that the Giants caused the "cancellation" of the Series (as the list had it, and which I removed), is incorrect. Calling it a "boycott" is closer to the truth, but still there was no Series scheduled, so it's questionable. The Giants themselves were instrumental in establishing the Series as a required championship, operated by the National Commission rather than by the individual clubs. From that day forth, the major league office has run the post-season, rather than the clubs. Give the Giants credit for having the vision to force a better system than what had existed during the 1880s, and in 1903-04. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
I propose the following changes to the "Local rivalries" section:
Isaac Lin ( talk) 04:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Can the stats for the 1884-1890 series be placed into this article ? (such as a second table, or an appendix section)
76.66.195.196 ( talk) 07:48, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I do not believe it is necessary for the "About" statement to explain that MLB is a North American organization, as there is no risk of confusion with an annual championship series for another group called Major League Baseball. I propose removing this portion of the sentence. Isaac Lin ( talk) 05:49, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Would that clarify the meaning enough early in the article for Justin Fletcher? I do notice that the current hatnote and lead seem to have lost almost all of the geographical identifiers they used to have, on the assumption (which I don't share) that "everybody knows" or, worse, "everybody should know". Forty years ago, most Americans had no idea what the World Cup was. See also #"About" note, revisited, below. —— Shakescene ( talk) 05:51, 26 June 2011 (UTC)This article is about the annual championship series of Major League Baseball, the highest-level professional baseball organization in the United States and Canada. For other uses, see World Series (disambiguation).
I would agree with Wkharrisjr on this. No need to rewrite a different article in the about not. - DJSasso ( talk) 16:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I have heard it refered to the New World series, meaning it was played in the New World. Also we know other countries do not participate apart from Canada, by calling it World Series we are saying it's a big game. Honestly World Series sounds much better then calling it that really big baseball series played at the end of the season to determine whose team is better. tra3535 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.72.125 ( talk) 19:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Some Historians say that the original and official name of the so called "World Series," was actually called "The New World Series of baseball." It makes sense to me, since the MLB takes place in the "new world" and not the "whole world." What are your guys thoughts on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.122.117 ( talk) 01:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I suppose this refers to the urban legend about the New York World newspaper, or The World newspaper of New York (as the case may be), and the legendary New York World's Series. -- P64 ( talk) 05:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Isn't 2010 the first World Series appearance for the Texas Rangers? Chart shows "2" in the column for series appearances. 71.62.75.145 ( talk) 16:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I'll have to check, but I think someone was honestly but mistakenly confusing two Washington Senators:
I don't believe it is notable that fourteen of the original sixteen teams have won a World Series since 1978. I propose removing this item from the section, "The original sixteen teams". Isaac Lin ( talk) 03:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Currently I am using Firefox 3 with a visible area of 1000 pixels wide, and the Notes section flows awkwardly next to and below the table containing the summary of all team appearances in the World Series. Previously I had placed a {{ clear}} template below the table so that the Notes section would appear below the table, to better accommodate different browser sizes, but someone removed it. I propose restoring the use of the {{clear}} template. Isaac Lin ( talk) 23:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Done--
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I should have approached the talk page before posting this, but the process is a little slow. I posted guidelines at the top of the section containing the table that sorts teams by:
If you believe that this should be altered, feel free to discuss it here. My edits were marked as vandalism and reverted (which might be the psychological effect of seeing a seemingly unreasonable edit by an IP address), which is why I am bringing this up. --
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Does anyone else have a opinion on making the sort order of the table readily evident and solely based on columns that appear in the table? isaacl ( talk) 07:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Team † | Titles | Last | Series | Last |
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New York Yankees (AL) | 27 | 2009 | 40 | 2009 |
St. Louis Cardinals (NL) | 10 | 2006 | 17 | 2006 |
[Philadelphia/Kansas City] Oakland Athletics (AL) | 9 | 1989 | 14 | 1990 |
Boston Red Sox [Americans] (AL) | 7 | 2007 | 11 | 2007 |
[New York] San Francisco Giants (NL) | 6 | 1954 | 18 | 2010 |
[Brooklyn] Los Angeles Dodgers (NL) ‡ | 6 | 1988 | 18 | 1988 |
Cincinnati Reds (NL) | 5 | 1990 | 9 | 1990 |
Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) | 5 | 1979 | 7 | 1979 |
Detroit Tigers (AL) | 4 | 1984 | 10 | 2006 |
Chicago White Sox (AL) | 3 | 2005 | 5 | 2005 |
[Boston/Milwaukee] Atlanta Braves (NL) | 3 | 1995 | 9 | 1999 |
[Washington Senators] Minnesota Twins (AL) | 3 | 1991 | 6 | 1991 |
[St. Louis Browns] Baltimore Orioles (AL) | 3 | 1983 | 7 | 1983 |
Philadelphia Phillies (NL) | 2 | 2008 | 7 | 2009 |
Cleveland Indians (AL) | 2 | 1948 | 5 | 1997 |
Chicago Cubs (NL) | 2 | 1908 | 10 | 1945 |
Florida Marlins (NL,1993) * | 2 | 2003 | 2 | 2003 |
Toronto Blue Jays (AL,1977) * | 2 | 1993 | 2 | 1993 |
New York Mets (NL,1962) * | 2 | 1986 | 4 | 2000 |
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (AL, 1961) * [Los Angeles/California/Anaheim Angels] |
1 | 2002 | 1 | 2002 |
Arizona Diamondbacks (NL, 1998) * | 1 | 2001 | 1 | 2001 |
Kansas City Royals (AL, 1969) * | 1 | 1985 | 2 | 1985 |
San Diego Padres (NL, 1969) * | 0 | 2 | 1998 | |
[Washington Senators] Texas Rangers (AL,1961) * | 0 | 1 | 2010 | |
Tampa Bay Rays [Devil Rays] (AL,1998) * | 0 | 1 | 2008 | |
Colorado Rockies (NL,1993) * | 0 | 1 | 2007 | |
Houston Astros [Colt .45's] (NL,1962) * | 0 | 1 | 2005 | |
[Seattle Pilots] Milwaukee Brewers (AL 1969; NL 1998) * | 0 | 1 | 1982 | |
[Montreal Expos] Washington Nationals (NL,1969) * | 0 | 0 | ||
Seattle Mariners (AL,1977) * | 0 | 0 |
¶ I'm too sleepy to read through the above discussion now (though of course I will when I'm more awake), but while I didn't create that table, I did most of the original formatting, including the sort arrows (a non-sortable version is at Major League Baseball). My criteria for the initial sort-order (before the reader uses the arrows) were (1) No. of Series won; (2) if same number of Series won, then most recent first; (3) if no Series won, then number of pennants; (4) if no Series won and same number of pennants, then most recent pennant first [two teams that have never won a Series can't have won pennants in the same year, since one would have beaten the other in the Fall Classic]; (5) for the pennantless Nationals (1969) and Mariners (1977), the older one first. (6*) The one irregularity I wanted to introduce was among the teams that had won 2 Series (none of the original 16 teams has won fewer than two Series, and no expansion team more than two): listing the most recent Series winner among the expansion teams AFTER the Chicago Cubs (last won 1908) [and thus the other 15, more-successful, of the original 1903 teams], so that the relative absolute records of the non-expansion (1903) and expansion (post-1960) teams were readily apparent before sorting. Some of this logic should be apparent in the table at Major League Baseball#Postseason, which, following its original creator's style, shows actual rank order for clusters of teams (1st, 2nd, ... 23rd).
It might be very well worthwhile to add a table to a page like List of World Series champions that shows the proportion (percentage) of Series and pennants to seasons played, but on this page, if you don't add two more columns (e.g. .080 and .107) to show them, the reader can't see that order and won't be able to click anything to revert to that order (short of refreshing the whole page). My rough and ready system gives more credit for a recent win than for a long drought, but doesn't attempt to show Series and pennant wins in proportion to seasons played. Here (slightly-updated) is an old version of the table that follows my logic. —— Shakescene ( talk) 10:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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I rearranged the second paragraph and restated some things, while correcting 10 years service to 9. Unfortunately my only reference is wikipedia " posting system".
I doubt that so-called international participation does give international "flavor" to the World Series. Anyway, I consider the teams not the players to be the Series participants. These terms are stretched here, maybe not to the breaking point.
One editor added a note that players for San Francisco and Texas in the 2010 World Series were natives(?) of six countries including Puerto Rico. Another editor deleted that as original research ( WP:OR). I doubt that counting from a team roster is proscribed OR. The tabular summary of World Series history by team is composed by similar research, I suppose. -- P64 ( talk) 20:19, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
This was discussed previously but maybe it's time to re-establish consensus, given recent activity. As I wrote last time, based on the other uses of the term "World Series", I do not believe that the term Major League Baseball is ambiguous. In addition, the first sentence of the article is very clear in explaining the article's context. Any new discussion points? isaacl ( talk) 01:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't agree with changing the lead; part of my reasoning on shortening the disambiguation note was that a full explanation was available in the lead sentence. I believe it is appropriate to provide some context on the scope of the World Series, including an indication of the area where MLB operates. isaacl ( talk) 14:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I think the title of this article is misleading. It should be changed to "The MLB Playoff Finals". This is not USApedia. 74.14.35.254 ( talk) 00:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Comment Some people don't like the fact that MLB calls its championship the "World Series" because they somehow think that the teams must represent various nations in order to do so. What they always fail to grasp is the fact that MLB is made up of the best players in the world, regardless of nationality.-- JOJ Hutton 01:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Comment Please, please keep this as 'World' series. The USofA's parochial view of the world and their place in it is such priceless entertainment for the educated and the closest they get to self-deprecating irony, even if it whistles over the heads of their collective consciousness.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.19.108.14 ( talk) 08:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
¶ To see the question discussed extensively, exhaustingly, and nearly exhaustively from just about every possible angle and point of view (left field, right field, the pitcher's mound, both dugouts, the batter's box, behind the screen, inside the scoreboard, the press box, the bleachers, the Commissioner's suite and the Goodyear blimp), see Talk:World Series/Archive 4 and Talk:World Series/world title. —— Shakescene ( talk) 05:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Should there be a section or sections discussing the rewards for winning the World Series? Wkharrisjr ( talk) 18:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
These edits mostly added some trivia regarding teams that have moved, and if they have won championships in different cities. Given the small number of teams that have moved, I don't believe this information is sufficiently notable—it is basically just a restating of the number of championships won by a select number of teams. I propose that this information be removed. isaacl ( talk) 16:50, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Anyone without a deep historical knowledge of the team would look at the table and assume the Oakland Athletics, for example, won nine World Series as an Oakland team, when in fact they won only four. The table needs desperately to make this distinction. I suggest separate columns for series won and Pennants won by the team in their current city, and I think these should come before the counts for series won and Pennants won by the team in all their cities combined--because people in general think of baseball teams in terms of their associated cities and almost always form allegiances that way. TheScotch ( talk) 05:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
The graph illustrating the age of teams, their series appearances, and series wins is a bit confusing with its dual Y-axes: it makes it less meaningful to include the teams' ages, since they cannot be directly compared with the number of series appearances or wins, thereby largely negating the value of having the two together. I suggest that only a single Y axis be placed on the graph, assuming there is consensus to retain it. isaacl ( talk) 19:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
In the first two lines it is written that the change (ie that the winner will have home-field advantage) took place after an All-Star game finished in a tie, and goes on to say that no one knows what happens if the all-star game ends in a tie. I don't think it makes sense, and there are no links to support it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.67.176 ( talk) 02:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
There was no "dynasty" team to dominate the world series trophy in the 80s. But the Los Angeles Dodgers won twice in the decade: 1981 vs. the Yankees and 1988 vs. the A's, whom had two more consective world series appearances - 1989 over the Giants in a sweep, but were swept by the Reds in 1990. The cross-state " I-70 Series" of 1985 when the Kansas City Royals defeated the St. Louis Cardinals in one game, while the Cardinals themselves defeated the then- American League Milwaukee Brewers in game 7 of the 1982 world series. The Philadelphia Phillies' first world series title in 1980 vs. the Royals was historic, because the Phillies fought for their first world title after 90 years of existence in the city. The Minnesota Twins' first title in 1987 in 7 games over the Cardinals and again in 1991 over the rising dynasty Atlanta Braves in 7 games. 71.102.21.238 ( talk) 11:11, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
In post-9/11 New York City, the Yankees were still hometown heroes and national heroes as well, when they lost one game to the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks in that team's 4th season in Yankee Stadium while the D'backs have equal American symbolic status. The Yankees won three-in-a-row world championships in 1998 vs. the Padres, 1999 vs. the dynastic Atlanta Braves and 2000 vs. the crosstown rival New York Mets represented Long Island: Queens, New York and Brooklyn, New York.
In 2002, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (then the Anaheim Angels) won their first world series in their first try in game 7 vs. the cross-state rival San Francisco Giants. The following year, the Miami Marlins (then the Florida Marlins) won their 2nd title this time against the Yankees, and the Marlins recall their 1997 series suprising game 7 defeat over the Cleveland Indians.
What can be called the most memorable world series events were the 2004 Boston Red Sox as they swept the Cardinals, their 2007 repeat vs. the Colorado Rockies; and the 2005 Chicago White Sox over the Houston Astros. The 2008 World series' controversial cancelled game 7 due to rain with the Phillies and Tampa Bay Rays tied score, by replaying the game with the unchanged score with the Phillies victorious over the Rays. The Philadelphia Phillies waited 90 years to win their first world series in 1980 has now celebrated their second world championship, but they lost the world series following year to the Yankees.
The Braves' only world series title (1995) out of their long list of post-season appearances from 1991 to 2006 (about 15 striaght years): division series, 8 National League championship serieses and 4 World series appearances. The 1990s and 2000s were the dynasty years of the Braves, or earned them the nickname "the Buffalo Bills of baseball" compared to the NFL franchise of the decade made four consecutive Super Bowl appearances, but lost four in a row. 71.102.21.238 ( talk) 11:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
I find: "Prior to 2003, home-field advantage in the World Series alternated from year to year between the NL and AL." Just when did it start that odd-numbered years had the AL team start the series and even-numbered years had the NL team start the series? And I think this switched starting in 1995 because there was no 1994 World Series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 ( talk) 18:08, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
In the section headed, "1919: the fix" it says, "when 8 players of the Chicago White Sox conspired to throw the 1919 World Series" then lists only seven players (Gandil, Cicotte, Williams, Risberg, Jackson, Felsch, McMullin - Weaver knew of it but declined to participate and therefore did not conspire) and states that in a criminal trial they were acquitted. I have therefore edited the line to read that seven players were alleged to have conspired..." since this seems to accord with the facts. Cottonshirt τ 13:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
This edit added information on the period between repeat champions. I'm uncertain regarding the notability of this; any feedback? isaacl ( talk) 02:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
The lede explains that the World Series is the championship series for Major League Baseball. This is the official name of the series. It can be debated (and has been as you can see in the archived Talk pages for this article) as to the appropriateness of "World" in the moniker, but the consensus of the editors has been that qualifiers like "the North American champion" or "United States champion" are not needed. Wkharrisjr ( talk) 14:35, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
In a previous discussion, there seemed to be general agreement not to mention other international competitions directly within the article, while keeping references in the "See also" section. I suggest the information added in this edit is better suited for the "Around-the-world" section in the "Baseball" article, as the competitions are not directly related to the World Series. isaacl ( talk) 15:51, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Every October this article gets a slew of edits rehashing the "It's not really a 'World' Series" argument and after numerous edits and re-edits the article is basically unchanged. Is there a way to but a notice at the top of the article requesting potential editors to review the archive of previous discussions on this topic before editing? Wkharrisjr ( talk) 12:47, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
We have the section title
"All-Star Game and home-field advantage"
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"Prior to 2003, home-field advantage in the World Series alternated from year to year between the NL and AL."
My question is when did that alternating start? As long as I can remember, and up to 1994, the World Series opened in the NL champion's home in even-numbered years and in the AL champion's home in odd-numbered years. There was no World Series in 1994, and because of that the pattern reversed, with the 1995 series opening in the home of the NL champion. (Then from 2003 onward, the World Series started in the home of the champion of the league that won the All-Star Game.)
That pre-2003 alternation information needs to be included in the World Series article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 ( talk) 21:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
As this is called the "World Series", is it possible for any team from outside the USA or Canada to play in it? JIP | Talk 14:55, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. You are invited to comment on this RFC. Thanks, -- BlueMoonlet ( t/ c) 18:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
i mean come on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.215.63.25 ( talk) 06:24, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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Was about to request that the page be semi-ed. Anyways, in the section "The original sixteen", the following sentence should be removed:
The Cubs were the first team to win the series twice, in 1907 and 1908. They have not won another World Series since.
Thanks. 47.20.230.223 ( talk) 05:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
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In the streaks section, it says that the Yankees only have one more chance (2019) to win a World Series in the decade called the 2010's. But, in counting we start with the number 1, not 0. The first year of this millennium was 2001. The first year of this decade was 2011. Hence, the Yankees have two chances to win the World Series in this decade - 2019 and 2020. 47.137.185.87 ( talk) 06:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Forgive me if I've missed it but I asked my computer to find any mention in the article of this subject's most famous controversy worldwide - the name "World Series". Outside of the USA most of the world's population really doesn't care and you will find more people mocking the name than interested in the game. Would anybody like me to dig up some references? 86.148.15.235 ( talk) 14:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I added information about the first radio broadcast but it may not be in the right place. However, a section about radio broadcasts might be appropriate. That would have been the only way to follow the games if you weren't there prior to TV.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
This doesn't actually explain how the winner is determined. I think it's best of 7 games?
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There is a section Header for the Twins for Home Games. Do the Nationals deserve a section for First World Series Champion to Win Every Away Game? Of Note - very helpful to the Twins was a domed and Noisy Stadium. Nationals beat the Astros - with a retractable roof[- the roof WAS closed for all 4 games there. [ Yes a Nationals - and believing from August to Halloween] Wfoj3 ( talk) 01:00, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
First used in 1924? AL team opened at home in even numbered years, and the NL team in odd numbered years. This reversed effective 1935 (NL in even, AL in odd), and reversed again in 1995 (the cancelled 1994 series was to have started in the NL city). Not yet accounted is subsequent use of All-Star game to determine which league's champion starts the World Series at home.
1943 and 1945 World Series used 3-4 pattern to reduce travel during World War II, although this would have resulted in one team having only 1 game at home if there was 4-game sweep. 1944 World Series games were all at the same stadium, so the 2-3-2 pattern was followed for determining home teams. Carlm0404 ( talk) 13:26, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Checking Sports Illustrated:
All-Star game result used, 2003-2016, to determine which league's champion started the World Series at home. Starting 2017, that spot goes to the team with the better regular season record. If that's tied, use tiebreakers:
1. head-to-head record in the regular season. This is unusable if the teams did not play each other in the regular season.
2. better record in their respective divisions
3. better record within their respective leagues
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It would be nice to have something in the article about why it is called the World Series when it only involves a couple of countries. -- ExperiencedArticleFixer ( talk) 14:26, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
The series was promoted and referred to as "The Championship of the United States",[6][7] "World's Championship Series", or "World's Series" for short. In his book Krakatoa: The Day the World Exploded: August 27, 1883, Simon Winchester mentions in passing that the World Series was named for the New York World newspaper,[8] but this view is disputed.[9]– Muboshgu ( talk) 15:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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This article, as with the list of World Series champions, leaves the reader with the impression that there was going to be a 1904 Series and that the Giants boycotted it. That's not quite true. The Series of 1903 was arranged between the ball clubs. The 1904 Giants announced weeks ahead that they did not intend to play a post-season Series against the AL champion (which, at the time of the announcement, looked like it could be the Yankees). No Series was scheduled for 1904, so reporting that the Giants caused the "cancellation" of the Series (as the list had it, and which I removed), is incorrect. Calling it a "boycott" is closer to the truth, but still there was no Series scheduled, so it's questionable. The Giants themselves were instrumental in establishing the Series as a required championship, operated by the National Commission rather than by the individual clubs. From that day forth, the major league office has run the post-season, rather than the clubs. Give the Giants credit for having the vision to force a better system than what had existed during the 1880s, and in 1903-04. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
I propose the following changes to the "Local rivalries" section:
Isaac Lin ( talk) 04:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Can the stats for the 1884-1890 series be placed into this article ? (such as a second table, or an appendix section)
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I do not believe it is necessary for the "About" statement to explain that MLB is a North American organization, as there is no risk of confusion with an annual championship series for another group called Major League Baseball. I propose removing this portion of the sentence. Isaac Lin ( talk) 05:49, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Would that clarify the meaning enough early in the article for Justin Fletcher? I do notice that the current hatnote and lead seem to have lost almost all of the geographical identifiers they used to have, on the assumption (which I don't share) that "everybody knows" or, worse, "everybody should know". Forty years ago, most Americans had no idea what the World Cup was. See also #"About" note, revisited, below. —— Shakescene ( talk) 05:51, 26 June 2011 (UTC)This article is about the annual championship series of Major League Baseball, the highest-level professional baseball organization in the United States and Canada. For other uses, see World Series (disambiguation).
I would agree with Wkharrisjr on this. No need to rewrite a different article in the about not. - DJSasso ( talk) 16:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I have heard it refered to the New World series, meaning it was played in the New World. Also we know other countries do not participate apart from Canada, by calling it World Series we are saying it's a big game. Honestly World Series sounds much better then calling it that really big baseball series played at the end of the season to determine whose team is better. tra3535 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.72.125 ( talk) 19:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Some Historians say that the original and official name of the so called "World Series," was actually called "The New World Series of baseball." It makes sense to me, since the MLB takes place in the "new world" and not the "whole world." What are your guys thoughts on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.122.117 ( talk) 01:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I suppose this refers to the urban legend about the New York World newspaper, or The World newspaper of New York (as the case may be), and the legendary New York World's Series. -- P64 ( talk) 05:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Isn't 2010 the first World Series appearance for the Texas Rangers? Chart shows "2" in the column for series appearances. 71.62.75.145 ( talk) 16:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I'll have to check, but I think someone was honestly but mistakenly confusing two Washington Senators:
I don't believe it is notable that fourteen of the original sixteen teams have won a World Series since 1978. I propose removing this item from the section, "The original sixteen teams". Isaac Lin ( talk) 03:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Currently I am using Firefox 3 with a visible area of 1000 pixels wide, and the Notes section flows awkwardly next to and below the table containing the summary of all team appearances in the World Series. Previously I had placed a {{ clear}} template below the table so that the Notes section would appear below the table, to better accommodate different browser sizes, but someone removed it. I propose restoring the use of the {{clear}} template. Isaac Lin ( talk) 23:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Done--
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I should have approached the talk page before posting this, but the process is a little slow. I posted guidelines at the top of the section containing the table that sorts teams by:
If you believe that this should be altered, feel free to discuss it here. My edits were marked as vandalism and reverted (which might be the psychological effect of seeing a seemingly unreasonable edit by an IP address), which is why I am bringing this up. --
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Does anyone else have a opinion on making the sort order of the table readily evident and solely based on columns that appear in the table? isaacl ( talk) 07:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Team † | Titles | Last | Series | Last |
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New York Yankees (AL) | 27 | 2009 | 40 | 2009 |
St. Louis Cardinals (NL) | 10 | 2006 | 17 | 2006 |
[Philadelphia/Kansas City] Oakland Athletics (AL) | 9 | 1989 | 14 | 1990 |
Boston Red Sox [Americans] (AL) | 7 | 2007 | 11 | 2007 |
[New York] San Francisco Giants (NL) | 6 | 1954 | 18 | 2010 |
[Brooklyn] Los Angeles Dodgers (NL) ‡ | 6 | 1988 | 18 | 1988 |
Cincinnati Reds (NL) | 5 | 1990 | 9 | 1990 |
Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) | 5 | 1979 | 7 | 1979 |
Detroit Tigers (AL) | 4 | 1984 | 10 | 2006 |
Chicago White Sox (AL) | 3 | 2005 | 5 | 2005 |
[Boston/Milwaukee] Atlanta Braves (NL) | 3 | 1995 | 9 | 1999 |
[Washington Senators] Minnesota Twins (AL) | 3 | 1991 | 6 | 1991 |
[St. Louis Browns] Baltimore Orioles (AL) | 3 | 1983 | 7 | 1983 |
Philadelphia Phillies (NL) | 2 | 2008 | 7 | 2009 |
Cleveland Indians (AL) | 2 | 1948 | 5 | 1997 |
Chicago Cubs (NL) | 2 | 1908 | 10 | 1945 |
Florida Marlins (NL,1993) * | 2 | 2003 | 2 | 2003 |
Toronto Blue Jays (AL,1977) * | 2 | 1993 | 2 | 1993 |
New York Mets (NL,1962) * | 2 | 1986 | 4 | 2000 |
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (AL, 1961) * [Los Angeles/California/Anaheim Angels] |
1 | 2002 | 1 | 2002 |
Arizona Diamondbacks (NL, 1998) * | 1 | 2001 | 1 | 2001 |
Kansas City Royals (AL, 1969) * | 1 | 1985 | 2 | 1985 |
San Diego Padres (NL, 1969) * | 0 | 2 | 1998 | |
[Washington Senators] Texas Rangers (AL,1961) * | 0 | 1 | 2010 | |
Tampa Bay Rays [Devil Rays] (AL,1998) * | 0 | 1 | 2008 | |
Colorado Rockies (NL,1993) * | 0 | 1 | 2007 | |
Houston Astros [Colt .45's] (NL,1962) * | 0 | 1 | 2005 | |
[Seattle Pilots] Milwaukee Brewers (AL 1969; NL 1998) * | 0 | 1 | 1982 | |
[Montreal Expos] Washington Nationals (NL,1969) * | 0 | 0 | ||
Seattle Mariners (AL,1977) * | 0 | 0 |
¶ I'm too sleepy to read through the above discussion now (though of course I will when I'm more awake), but while I didn't create that table, I did most of the original formatting, including the sort arrows (a non-sortable version is at Major League Baseball). My criteria for the initial sort-order (before the reader uses the arrows) were (1) No. of Series won; (2) if same number of Series won, then most recent first; (3) if no Series won, then number of pennants; (4) if no Series won and same number of pennants, then most recent pennant first [two teams that have never won a Series can't have won pennants in the same year, since one would have beaten the other in the Fall Classic]; (5) for the pennantless Nationals (1969) and Mariners (1977), the older one first. (6*) The one irregularity I wanted to introduce was among the teams that had won 2 Series (none of the original 16 teams has won fewer than two Series, and no expansion team more than two): listing the most recent Series winner among the expansion teams AFTER the Chicago Cubs (last won 1908) [and thus the other 15, more-successful, of the original 1903 teams], so that the relative absolute records of the non-expansion (1903) and expansion (post-1960) teams were readily apparent before sorting. Some of this logic should be apparent in the table at Major League Baseball#Postseason, which, following its original creator's style, shows actual rank order for clusters of teams (1st, 2nd, ... 23rd).
It might be very well worthwhile to add a table to a page like List of World Series champions that shows the proportion (percentage) of Series and pennants to seasons played, but on this page, if you don't add two more columns (e.g. .080 and .107) to show them, the reader can't see that order and won't be able to click anything to revert to that order (short of refreshing the whole page). My rough and ready system gives more credit for a recent win than for a long drought, but doesn't attempt to show Series and pennant wins in proportion to seasons played. Here (slightly-updated) is an old version of the table that follows my logic. —— Shakescene ( talk) 10:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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I rearranged the second paragraph and restated some things, while correcting 10 years service to 9. Unfortunately my only reference is wikipedia " posting system".
I doubt that so-called international participation does give international "flavor" to the World Series. Anyway, I consider the teams not the players to be the Series participants. These terms are stretched here, maybe not to the breaking point.
One editor added a note that players for San Francisco and Texas in the 2010 World Series were natives(?) of six countries including Puerto Rico. Another editor deleted that as original research ( WP:OR). I doubt that counting from a team roster is proscribed OR. The tabular summary of World Series history by team is composed by similar research, I suppose. -- P64 ( talk) 20:19, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
This was discussed previously but maybe it's time to re-establish consensus, given recent activity. As I wrote last time, based on the other uses of the term "World Series", I do not believe that the term Major League Baseball is ambiguous. In addition, the first sentence of the article is very clear in explaining the article's context. Any new discussion points? isaacl ( talk) 01:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't agree with changing the lead; part of my reasoning on shortening the disambiguation note was that a full explanation was available in the lead sentence. I believe it is appropriate to provide some context on the scope of the World Series, including an indication of the area where MLB operates. isaacl ( talk) 14:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I think the title of this article is misleading. It should be changed to "The MLB Playoff Finals". This is not USApedia. 74.14.35.254 ( talk) 00:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Comment Some people don't like the fact that MLB calls its championship the "World Series" because they somehow think that the teams must represent various nations in order to do so. What they always fail to grasp is the fact that MLB is made up of the best players in the world, regardless of nationality.-- JOJ Hutton 01:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Comment Please, please keep this as 'World' series. The USofA's parochial view of the world and their place in it is such priceless entertainment for the educated and the closest they get to self-deprecating irony, even if it whistles over the heads of their collective consciousness.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.19.108.14 ( talk) 08:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
¶ To see the question discussed extensively, exhaustingly, and nearly exhaustively from just about every possible angle and point of view (left field, right field, the pitcher's mound, both dugouts, the batter's box, behind the screen, inside the scoreboard, the press box, the bleachers, the Commissioner's suite and the Goodyear blimp), see Talk:World Series/Archive 4 and Talk:World Series/world title. —— Shakescene ( talk) 05:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Should there be a section or sections discussing the rewards for winning the World Series? Wkharrisjr ( talk) 18:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
These edits mostly added some trivia regarding teams that have moved, and if they have won championships in different cities. Given the small number of teams that have moved, I don't believe this information is sufficiently notable—it is basically just a restating of the number of championships won by a select number of teams. I propose that this information be removed. isaacl ( talk) 16:50, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Anyone without a deep historical knowledge of the team would look at the table and assume the Oakland Athletics, for example, won nine World Series as an Oakland team, when in fact they won only four. The table needs desperately to make this distinction. I suggest separate columns for series won and Pennants won by the team in their current city, and I think these should come before the counts for series won and Pennants won by the team in all their cities combined--because people in general think of baseball teams in terms of their associated cities and almost always form allegiances that way. TheScotch ( talk) 05:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
The graph illustrating the age of teams, their series appearances, and series wins is a bit confusing with its dual Y-axes: it makes it less meaningful to include the teams' ages, since they cannot be directly compared with the number of series appearances or wins, thereby largely negating the value of having the two together. I suggest that only a single Y axis be placed on the graph, assuming there is consensus to retain it. isaacl ( talk) 19:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
In the first two lines it is written that the change (ie that the winner will have home-field advantage) took place after an All-Star game finished in a tie, and goes on to say that no one knows what happens if the all-star game ends in a tie. I don't think it makes sense, and there are no links to support it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.67.176 ( talk) 02:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
There was no "dynasty" team to dominate the world series trophy in the 80s. But the Los Angeles Dodgers won twice in the decade: 1981 vs. the Yankees and 1988 vs. the A's, whom had two more consective world series appearances - 1989 over the Giants in a sweep, but were swept by the Reds in 1990. The cross-state " I-70 Series" of 1985 when the Kansas City Royals defeated the St. Louis Cardinals in one game, while the Cardinals themselves defeated the then- American League Milwaukee Brewers in game 7 of the 1982 world series. The Philadelphia Phillies' first world series title in 1980 vs. the Royals was historic, because the Phillies fought for their first world title after 90 years of existence in the city. The Minnesota Twins' first title in 1987 in 7 games over the Cardinals and again in 1991 over the rising dynasty Atlanta Braves in 7 games. 71.102.21.238 ( talk) 11:11, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
In post-9/11 New York City, the Yankees were still hometown heroes and national heroes as well, when they lost one game to the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks in that team's 4th season in Yankee Stadium while the D'backs have equal American symbolic status. The Yankees won three-in-a-row world championships in 1998 vs. the Padres, 1999 vs. the dynastic Atlanta Braves and 2000 vs. the crosstown rival New York Mets represented Long Island: Queens, New York and Brooklyn, New York.
In 2002, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (then the Anaheim Angels) won their first world series in their first try in game 7 vs. the cross-state rival San Francisco Giants. The following year, the Miami Marlins (then the Florida Marlins) won their 2nd title this time against the Yankees, and the Marlins recall their 1997 series suprising game 7 defeat over the Cleveland Indians.
What can be called the most memorable world series events were the 2004 Boston Red Sox as they swept the Cardinals, their 2007 repeat vs. the Colorado Rockies; and the 2005 Chicago White Sox over the Houston Astros. The 2008 World series' controversial cancelled game 7 due to rain with the Phillies and Tampa Bay Rays tied score, by replaying the game with the unchanged score with the Phillies victorious over the Rays. The Philadelphia Phillies waited 90 years to win their first world series in 1980 has now celebrated their second world championship, but they lost the world series following year to the Yankees.
The Braves' only world series title (1995) out of their long list of post-season appearances from 1991 to 2006 (about 15 striaght years): division series, 8 National League championship serieses and 4 World series appearances. The 1990s and 2000s were the dynasty years of the Braves, or earned them the nickname "the Buffalo Bills of baseball" compared to the NFL franchise of the decade made four consecutive Super Bowl appearances, but lost four in a row. 71.102.21.238 ( talk) 11:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
I find: "Prior to 2003, home-field advantage in the World Series alternated from year to year between the NL and AL." Just when did it start that odd-numbered years had the AL team start the series and even-numbered years had the NL team start the series? And I think this switched starting in 1995 because there was no 1994 World Series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 ( talk) 18:08, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
In the section headed, "1919: the fix" it says, "when 8 players of the Chicago White Sox conspired to throw the 1919 World Series" then lists only seven players (Gandil, Cicotte, Williams, Risberg, Jackson, Felsch, McMullin - Weaver knew of it but declined to participate and therefore did not conspire) and states that in a criminal trial they were acquitted. I have therefore edited the line to read that seven players were alleged to have conspired..." since this seems to accord with the facts. Cottonshirt τ 13:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
This edit added information on the period between repeat champions. I'm uncertain regarding the notability of this; any feedback? isaacl ( talk) 02:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
The lede explains that the World Series is the championship series for Major League Baseball. This is the official name of the series. It can be debated (and has been as you can see in the archived Talk pages for this article) as to the appropriateness of "World" in the moniker, but the consensus of the editors has been that qualifiers like "the North American champion" or "United States champion" are not needed. Wkharrisjr ( talk) 14:35, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
In a previous discussion, there seemed to be general agreement not to mention other international competitions directly within the article, while keeping references in the "See also" section. I suggest the information added in this edit is better suited for the "Around-the-world" section in the "Baseball" article, as the competitions are not directly related to the World Series. isaacl ( talk) 15:51, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Every October this article gets a slew of edits rehashing the "It's not really a 'World' Series" argument and after numerous edits and re-edits the article is basically unchanged. Is there a way to but a notice at the top of the article requesting potential editors to review the archive of previous discussions on this topic before editing? Wkharrisjr ( talk) 12:47, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
We have the section title
"All-Star Game and home-field advantage"
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"Prior to 2003, home-field advantage in the World Series alternated from year to year between the NL and AL."
My question is when did that alternating start? As long as I can remember, and up to 1994, the World Series opened in the NL champion's home in even-numbered years and in the AL champion's home in odd-numbered years. There was no World Series in 1994, and because of that the pattern reversed, with the 1995 series opening in the home of the NL champion. (Then from 2003 onward, the World Series started in the home of the champion of the league that won the All-Star Game.)
That pre-2003 alternation information needs to be included in the World Series article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 ( talk) 21:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
As this is called the "World Series", is it possible for any team from outside the USA or Canada to play in it? JIP | Talk 14:55, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. You are invited to comment on this RFC. Thanks, -- BlueMoonlet ( t/ c) 18:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
i mean come on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.215.63.25 ( talk) 06:24, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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Was about to request that the page be semi-ed. Anyways, in the section "The original sixteen", the following sentence should be removed:
The Cubs were the first team to win the series twice, in 1907 and 1908. They have not won another World Series since.
Thanks. 47.20.230.223 ( talk) 05:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
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In the streaks section, it says that the Yankees only have one more chance (2019) to win a World Series in the decade called the 2010's. But, in counting we start with the number 1, not 0. The first year of this millennium was 2001. The first year of this decade was 2011. Hence, the Yankees have two chances to win the World Series in this decade - 2019 and 2020. 47.137.185.87 ( talk) 06:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Forgive me if I've missed it but I asked my computer to find any mention in the article of this subject's most famous controversy worldwide - the name "World Series". Outside of the USA most of the world's population really doesn't care and you will find more people mocking the name than interested in the game. Would anybody like me to dig up some references? 86.148.15.235 ( talk) 14:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I added information about the first radio broadcast but it may not be in the right place. However, a section about radio broadcasts might be appropriate. That would have been the only way to follow the games if you weren't there prior to TV.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
This doesn't actually explain how the winner is determined. I think it's best of 7 games?
Meekohi ( talk) 01:32, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
There is a section Header for the Twins for Home Games. Do the Nationals deserve a section for First World Series Champion to Win Every Away Game? Of Note - very helpful to the Twins was a domed and Noisy Stadium. Nationals beat the Astros - with a retractable roof[- the roof WAS closed for all 4 games there. [ Yes a Nationals - and believing from August to Halloween] Wfoj3 ( talk) 01:00, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
First used in 1924? AL team opened at home in even numbered years, and the NL team in odd numbered years. This reversed effective 1935 (NL in even, AL in odd), and reversed again in 1995 (the cancelled 1994 series was to have started in the NL city). Not yet accounted is subsequent use of All-Star game to determine which league's champion starts the World Series at home.
1943 and 1945 World Series used 3-4 pattern to reduce travel during World War II, although this would have resulted in one team having only 1 game at home if there was 4-game sweep. 1944 World Series games were all at the same stadium, so the 2-3-2 pattern was followed for determining home teams. Carlm0404 ( talk) 13:26, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Checking Sports Illustrated:
All-Star game result used, 2003-2016, to determine which league's champion started the World Series at home. Starting 2017, that spot goes to the team with the better regular season record. If that's tied, use tiebreakers:
1. head-to-head record in the regular season. This is unusable if the teams did not play each other in the regular season.
2. better record in their respective divisions
3. better record within their respective leagues
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It would be nice to have something in the article about why it is called the World Series when it only involves a couple of countries. -- ExperiencedArticleFixer ( talk) 14:26, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
The series was promoted and referred to as "The Championship of the United States",[6][7] "World's Championship Series", or "World's Series" for short. In his book Krakatoa: The Day the World Exploded: August 27, 1883, Simon Winchester mentions in passing that the World Series was named for the New York World newspaper,[8] but this view is disputed.[9]– Muboshgu ( talk) 15:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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'any good faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism'... I'm acting in good faith and actually do believe that on balance, 'erroneously' is more accurate than 'informally' with regard to the North American media and ballplayer's references to winners of the World Series as being "world champions of baseball'. I suppose then it's a matter of semantics, and opinion. I don't particularly mind either way, but in the world of Wikipedia, what is the mechanism for arbitration on such matters? 81.99.170.67 (talk) 21:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply] [unsubscribe]to allow tracability[edit source] Hello - just to connect my new account with this exchange above. Gurumeditaton (talk) 21:41, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply] Gurumeditaton ( talk) 21:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)