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I moved 95% of this page to 2006 World Baseball Classic. It is seriously time to pare this page down to more general WBC-related items and move 2006-specific things to the appropriate page-- DaveOinSF 22:39, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Why have the wiki links to the sixteen nations been replaced by non-working wiki links to "national baseball teams?" -- feitclub 07:16, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
I have added that Nicaragua and Colombia have a chance of replacing Cuba if the decision to ban Cuba from playing stands.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.71.158 ( talk) 23:54, 4 January 2006
There are only 15 nations playing. Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States.
"Each team will play the other three teams in their pool once. The top two teams move onto the second round, where the top two teams of Pools A and B (Pool one) as well as Pools C and D (Pool two) will compeate against each other in the same format. the top two teams from each pool will enter a four-team single elimination bracket, with the Pool champions and runner-up's facing each other in the simi-finals. The winners of those games will play each other to determine a champion." was added to the Format section of this artical was added by Dr. cribbit. If this is untrue, feel free to remove this portion of the artical. Editors are welcome to add links, correct spelling errors, ect. -Dr. cribbit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.10.232 ( talk) 22:59, 23 January 2006
Do we know of any TV sponsorship/coverage in any nation? If I'm curious, im sure many other people out there are also. Clarkefreak ∞ 22:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm assuming they haven't made them yet. Chances are they're going to post it on the WBC website when they get the TV thing all figured out. Dr. Cribbit
I added a listing of things confirmed so far. CapeFish
I added a section about some issues that the WBC is having. I know that political issues are sensitive, but I am presenting the facts with proof to back it up. You are welcome to discuss it here, please do. Kenimaru 07:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Sources Needed- While I see your point of view, I think a link of some sort to where this is pointed out as true "controversey". International issues are sensitive as you said. But right now, I don't think it deserves a portion on the page. Unlike the Team Cuba issue, which was a true controversey, these maybe only "mistakes". Wikipedia is not a place to start a "controversey" if an editor feels there an issue. A controversey needs to be documented, like everything else on this article, and in this encyclopedia.
Because of this, I am going to say, it does not belong. If you can provide a set of sources, that show the a large "outrage", than I believe it should stay. Kenimaru or anyone who feels similarly, please see if you can locate these sources. Wxthewx99 02:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Apart from being "invited" by MLB, how were the nations/teams chosen to participate? Are there any plans to change that in the future? Were any nations/teams protesting their exclusion from the tournament?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.113.199 ( talk) 18:23, 3 March 2006
Go to the WBC website and click about. Theres a FAQ list that includes that very question. - Dr. Cribbit 02:31, 5 March 2006.
That doesn't really answer the question though. Who determined that these are the nations that are best at baseball? There are other countries which compete internationally and there are other countries which have produced players which play professionally. This is even more troublesome given the eligibility standards which allowed so many American-born players to compete for other countries.
What were the rules around qualification to play for a country? How was Mike Piazza eligible to play for Italy? What was preventing other less-talented nations from recruiting MLB players?
The section on tie-breaking procedures is a direct copy and paste from the WBC official site at http://www.worldbaseballclassic.com/2006/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_sta&lid=160&sid=wbc . Is this allowed? If so, we should at least explain what the WBCI is (World Baseball Classic Inc., an MLB subsidary) as it isn't mentioned anywhere else in the article.
Venezuela officially altered their flag while the Baseball competition is underway. Is the flag used at the World Baseball Classic going to change? If not, then the flag used won’t be the Venezuelan flag. [1]
Since there are no head-to-head games between those unqualifying teams, the tie-breaking procedures don't apply here. Is this ranking meaningful?-- NullSpace 09:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I reverted a poorly-written edit suggesting that the flag on the US uniforms worn by players and sold at stadia is incorrectly displayed "backwards". In view of this, inter al., I don't believe the uniform formatting to be in error; surely the directionality of the flag was intentional, whatever may be one's questions about the propriety of such directionality. Joe 00:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
I wrote a section about team USA's poor performance.... here it is:
One editor, J3wishVulcan keeps delting the section, citing no specific reason. Vulcan, what issue do you have with it? It probably needs a little editing, but I think a section like this is needed. Discuss.
I think you could add it to USA Baseball or create a new aricle under Category:National baseball teams. -- Saintjust 10:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that MLB should find a way to alter the season so that its best players can be sent to the World Cup of Baseball, WBC, and the Olympics without having it interfere with the season. Perhaps extend it into November if necessary. We did not qualify for Athens, and now we've been eliminated by Mexico. This is our sport, we invented it. Why can't we send our players there? Selig needs to do something or baseball will become less and less popular.
Selig went to the Olympic removal hearings along with many MLB officials and GMs to try to keep baseball from being removed from the Olympics, but didn't have success. 2008 will be the final year of baseball in the Olympics.-- 66.122.241.57 03:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
This may be nitpicking a bit, but the ERA section in the final statistics states only "Ten tied with 0.00" while listing the "runners-up" pitchers. Wouldn't it be more prudent to list the 10 pitchers with the lowest ERAs than lump them as 10 anonymous and list the runners-up? I can understand saying "Ten tied" for third place in a category, but this is first place. Yourmotherisanastronaut 05:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
"According to WBC organizers, the eight qualifiers to the second round will be automatically seeded in the 2009 World Baseball Classic. Remaining teams will have to go through a qualifying system." I cannot verify this on the WBC website or using Google, though it is a significant piece of information for the future of the event. Can a citation be provided for when and where "WBC organizers" said this? Thanks! -- SuperNova | T| C| 06:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
okay, I've decided to take matters here. Discuss amongst yourselves whether the
Chinese Taipei flag is being used because of PRC or ROC. I think it's a combination of both, quite honestly, and think that a link to Chinese Taipei is good enough. But I don't know about other editors, so I'm dumping it here. Okay, thanks for talking it out. --
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The revert made at 02:50 seems fair. The changes made by user 24.42.40.48 at 01:19 and other related changes by this user IMHO was bias and favored the PRC. The sovereignty of Taiwan and outlaying islands are disputed (since 1949) and the province shouldn't be stated as legally being part one state or the other. A one-china policy should be discussed as to why the Chinese Taipei is needed.
I'm confused. How can the first edition of something already be a "classic?"
Are there any stats (RBI, AVE, ERA, HR) for the whole teams for comparison? -- Saintjust 04:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I am wondering what is the justification for Korea being listed as the "3rd place" finisher in the 2006 tournament over the Dominican Republic (listed in 4th place). Officially, both teams finished as "semifinalists," period. There was no 3rd place or consolation game. Moreover, Korea and the Dominican Republic did not play each other in a head-to-head matchup. About the only thing that would indicate Korea as being a higher finisher than the D.R. would be in the overall record category, where Korea had a 6-1 record in the WBC tourney while the D.R. was 5-2. But this is an arbitrary distinction. The bottom line to all this is: there was no official 3rd and 4th place team in the WBC. All you had was the champion (Japan), the 2nd place team (Cuba), and the two semifinalists (Dominican Republic and Korea). Unless someone can cite an official MLB source stating that Korea was the 3rd place finisher in the 2006 WBC, I think that the 3rd and 4th place designations should be done away with and that the Dominican Republic and Korea be jointly listed as semifinalists.
the international federation accepted the designations as evidenced from the new ranking they released in jan 2009 —Preceding
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I heard the ratings in Cuba were better than the Super Bowl in the United States. Can someone check into that? I think it would be worth mentioning.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.103 ( talk) 15:06, 16 July 2007
That has to be in Percentage of viewers, right?-- Duffy2032 ( talk) 18:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that many news commentators incorrectly labelled the World Baseball Classic as the World Cup of Baseball, even though there had already been a Baseball World Cup around for a LONG time. Having looked at the BWC sequences I noticed that recently it seems that the BWC tournament will take place every 2 years and the next one is later this year. However, the next BWC should then be in 2009 which is when the next WBC is also scheduled to be held....so does anyone know of any plans by the IBAF and/or MLB to just merge the competitions given the coincidental timings? Such a convergence of timing won't happen again until 2013 if the WBC occurs every 4 years and the BWC occurs every 2 years (although Cuba apparently would like the WBC to occur every 2 years). 72.27.5.35 05:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
In Future plans section, it states: As of 2008, plans call for the World Baseball Classic to be repeated every three years following the 2009 event, so the third installment of the Classic would not occur until 2012.
When did this happen? Where is a citation for this? Currently there's a press release dated February 18, 2009 on mlb.com that states:
The upcoming World Baseball Classic will be played from March 5 - 23 and will again feature 16 of the greatest baseball-playing nations in the world. The tournament will be held every four years thereafter, with plans in place to expand the participant field beginning in 2013. 199.71.183.2 ( talk) 17:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
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I moved 95% of this page to 2006 World Baseball Classic. It is seriously time to pare this page down to more general WBC-related items and move 2006-specific things to the appropriate page-- DaveOinSF 22:39, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Why have the wiki links to the sixteen nations been replaced by non-working wiki links to "national baseball teams?" -- feitclub 07:16, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
I have added that Nicaragua and Colombia have a chance of replacing Cuba if the decision to ban Cuba from playing stands.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.71.158 ( talk) 23:54, 4 January 2006
There are only 15 nations playing. Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States.
"Each team will play the other three teams in their pool once. The top two teams move onto the second round, where the top two teams of Pools A and B (Pool one) as well as Pools C and D (Pool two) will compeate against each other in the same format. the top two teams from each pool will enter a four-team single elimination bracket, with the Pool champions and runner-up's facing each other in the simi-finals. The winners of those games will play each other to determine a champion." was added to the Format section of this artical was added by Dr. cribbit. If this is untrue, feel free to remove this portion of the artical. Editors are welcome to add links, correct spelling errors, ect. -Dr. cribbit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.10.232 ( talk) 22:59, 23 January 2006
Do we know of any TV sponsorship/coverage in any nation? If I'm curious, im sure many other people out there are also. Clarkefreak ∞ 22:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm assuming they haven't made them yet. Chances are they're going to post it on the WBC website when they get the TV thing all figured out. Dr. Cribbit
I added a listing of things confirmed so far. CapeFish
I added a section about some issues that the WBC is having. I know that political issues are sensitive, but I am presenting the facts with proof to back it up. You are welcome to discuss it here, please do. Kenimaru 07:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Sources Needed- While I see your point of view, I think a link of some sort to where this is pointed out as true "controversey". International issues are sensitive as you said. But right now, I don't think it deserves a portion on the page. Unlike the Team Cuba issue, which was a true controversey, these maybe only "mistakes". Wikipedia is not a place to start a "controversey" if an editor feels there an issue. A controversey needs to be documented, like everything else on this article, and in this encyclopedia.
Because of this, I am going to say, it does not belong. If you can provide a set of sources, that show the a large "outrage", than I believe it should stay. Kenimaru or anyone who feels similarly, please see if you can locate these sources. Wxthewx99 02:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Apart from being "invited" by MLB, how were the nations/teams chosen to participate? Are there any plans to change that in the future? Were any nations/teams protesting their exclusion from the tournament?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.113.199 ( talk) 18:23, 3 March 2006
Go to the WBC website and click about. Theres a FAQ list that includes that very question. - Dr. Cribbit 02:31, 5 March 2006.
That doesn't really answer the question though. Who determined that these are the nations that are best at baseball? There are other countries which compete internationally and there are other countries which have produced players which play professionally. This is even more troublesome given the eligibility standards which allowed so many American-born players to compete for other countries.
What were the rules around qualification to play for a country? How was Mike Piazza eligible to play for Italy? What was preventing other less-talented nations from recruiting MLB players?
The section on tie-breaking procedures is a direct copy and paste from the WBC official site at http://www.worldbaseballclassic.com/2006/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_sta&lid=160&sid=wbc . Is this allowed? If so, we should at least explain what the WBCI is (World Baseball Classic Inc., an MLB subsidary) as it isn't mentioned anywhere else in the article.
Venezuela officially altered their flag while the Baseball competition is underway. Is the flag used at the World Baseball Classic going to change? If not, then the flag used won’t be the Venezuelan flag. [1]
Since there are no head-to-head games between those unqualifying teams, the tie-breaking procedures don't apply here. Is this ranking meaningful?-- NullSpace 09:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I reverted a poorly-written edit suggesting that the flag on the US uniforms worn by players and sold at stadia is incorrectly displayed "backwards". In view of this, inter al., I don't believe the uniform formatting to be in error; surely the directionality of the flag was intentional, whatever may be one's questions about the propriety of such directionality. Joe 00:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
I wrote a section about team USA's poor performance.... here it is:
One editor, J3wishVulcan keeps delting the section, citing no specific reason. Vulcan, what issue do you have with it? It probably needs a little editing, but I think a section like this is needed. Discuss.
I think you could add it to USA Baseball or create a new aricle under Category:National baseball teams. -- Saintjust 10:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that MLB should find a way to alter the season so that its best players can be sent to the World Cup of Baseball, WBC, and the Olympics without having it interfere with the season. Perhaps extend it into November if necessary. We did not qualify for Athens, and now we've been eliminated by Mexico. This is our sport, we invented it. Why can't we send our players there? Selig needs to do something or baseball will become less and less popular.
Selig went to the Olympic removal hearings along with many MLB officials and GMs to try to keep baseball from being removed from the Olympics, but didn't have success. 2008 will be the final year of baseball in the Olympics.-- 66.122.241.57 03:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
This may be nitpicking a bit, but the ERA section in the final statistics states only "Ten tied with 0.00" while listing the "runners-up" pitchers. Wouldn't it be more prudent to list the 10 pitchers with the lowest ERAs than lump them as 10 anonymous and list the runners-up? I can understand saying "Ten tied" for third place in a category, but this is first place. Yourmotherisanastronaut 05:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
"According to WBC organizers, the eight qualifiers to the second round will be automatically seeded in the 2009 World Baseball Classic. Remaining teams will have to go through a qualifying system." I cannot verify this on the WBC website or using Google, though it is a significant piece of information for the future of the event. Can a citation be provided for when and where "WBC organizers" said this? Thanks! -- SuperNova | T| C| 06:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
okay, I've decided to take matters here. Discuss amongst yourselves whether the
Chinese Taipei flag is being used because of PRC or ROC. I think it's a combination of both, quite honestly, and think that a link to Chinese Taipei is good enough. But I don't know about other editors, so I'm dumping it here. Okay, thanks for talking it out. --
Jjjsixsix (
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c) @
02:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
The revert made at 02:50 seems fair. The changes made by user 24.42.40.48 at 01:19 and other related changes by this user IMHO was bias and favored the PRC. The sovereignty of Taiwan and outlaying islands are disputed (since 1949) and the province shouldn't be stated as legally being part one state or the other. A one-china policy should be discussed as to why the Chinese Taipei is needed.
I'm confused. How can the first edition of something already be a "classic?"
Are there any stats (RBI, AVE, ERA, HR) for the whole teams for comparison? -- Saintjust 04:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I am wondering what is the justification for Korea being listed as the "3rd place" finisher in the 2006 tournament over the Dominican Republic (listed in 4th place). Officially, both teams finished as "semifinalists," period. There was no 3rd place or consolation game. Moreover, Korea and the Dominican Republic did not play each other in a head-to-head matchup. About the only thing that would indicate Korea as being a higher finisher than the D.R. would be in the overall record category, where Korea had a 6-1 record in the WBC tourney while the D.R. was 5-2. But this is an arbitrary distinction. The bottom line to all this is: there was no official 3rd and 4th place team in the WBC. All you had was the champion (Japan), the 2nd place team (Cuba), and the two semifinalists (Dominican Republic and Korea). Unless someone can cite an official MLB source stating that Korea was the 3rd place finisher in the 2006 WBC, I think that the 3rd and 4th place designations should be done away with and that the Dominican Republic and Korea be jointly listed as semifinalists.
the international federation accepted the designations as evidenced from the new ranking they released in jan 2009 —Preceding
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I heard the ratings in Cuba were better than the Super Bowl in the United States. Can someone check into that? I think it would be worth mentioning.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.103 ( talk) 15:06, 16 July 2007
That has to be in Percentage of viewers, right?-- Duffy2032 ( talk) 18:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that many news commentators incorrectly labelled the World Baseball Classic as the World Cup of Baseball, even though there had already been a Baseball World Cup around for a LONG time. Having looked at the BWC sequences I noticed that recently it seems that the BWC tournament will take place every 2 years and the next one is later this year. However, the next BWC should then be in 2009 which is when the next WBC is also scheduled to be held....so does anyone know of any plans by the IBAF and/or MLB to just merge the competitions given the coincidental timings? Such a convergence of timing won't happen again until 2013 if the WBC occurs every 4 years and the BWC occurs every 2 years (although Cuba apparently would like the WBC to occur every 2 years). 72.27.5.35 05:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
In Future plans section, it states: As of 2008, plans call for the World Baseball Classic to be repeated every three years following the 2009 event, so the third installment of the Classic would not occur until 2012.
When did this happen? Where is a citation for this? Currently there's a press release dated February 18, 2009 on mlb.com that states:
The upcoming World Baseball Classic will be played from March 5 - 23 and will again feature 16 of the greatest baseball-playing nations in the world. The tournament will be held every four years thereafter, with plans in place to expand the participant field beginning in 2013. 199.71.183.2 ( talk) 17:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)