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Another possibilty is you phrase the intro it like "the crucial step according to the British historian M.J.T. Lewis". Otherwise, your strong word choice contains too much of interpretation and assumption, which you first have to prove to be correct and accepted unanimously. Regards Gun Powder Ma 20:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice to have someone knowledgeable expound more detail on exactly why this waggonway was significant. In particular, for the non-expert, it can be perplexing to guess what is meant by "overland" when other historical rail systems seemed to go over the land (is there any other way?) and the terminology "surface level" can again be unclear to the non-expert.
In summary, it seems you have the details of significance mentioned, but could be improved in clarity. Perhaps even an illustration might help avoid confusion as to why it is, exactly, this waggonway is of import. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.144.236.150 ( talk) 22:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree - why "overland"? Does it distinguish it from the earlier German mine sort-of-railways mentioned in wagonway? As far as I can tell, this is truly the first known railway. -- NE2 01:33, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
As the intial originator of this page I wrote overland to distinguish it from underground where "hund" systems previously existed and were very much an embryonic railway in that the wheels did run on rails (albeit flat planks) with guidance by a mix of pin and the skill of the operator. Hund systems were also very short haul, the WW at two-miles was substantially longer. As my 2012 paper to ERC 5, which followed up both Dr Lewis' and Dr King's earlier papers, outlines the Wollaton may not have been the first (we simply don't know) but it is the first for which there is surviving provenance. We also know that Huntingdon Beaumont took this development with him to Northumberland and from there over the next two centuries waggonways in the Beaumont style evolved, morphing into iron edge rail sytems which spread worldwide. Think of the WW like the lowest portion of a tree's trunk; the roots may be uncertain and unseen but the onward and upward growth of the trunk is clear as are the later branches and developments.23:33, 31 December 2014 (UTC) Johnrnew ( talk)
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Another possibilty is you phrase the intro it like "the crucial step according to the British historian M.J.T. Lewis". Otherwise, your strong word choice contains too much of interpretation and assumption, which you first have to prove to be correct and accepted unanimously. Regards Gun Powder Ma 20:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice to have someone knowledgeable expound more detail on exactly why this waggonway was significant. In particular, for the non-expert, it can be perplexing to guess what is meant by "overland" when other historical rail systems seemed to go over the land (is there any other way?) and the terminology "surface level" can again be unclear to the non-expert.
In summary, it seems you have the details of significance mentioned, but could be improved in clarity. Perhaps even an illustration might help avoid confusion as to why it is, exactly, this waggonway is of import. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.144.236.150 ( talk) 22:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree - why "overland"? Does it distinguish it from the earlier German mine sort-of-railways mentioned in wagonway? As far as I can tell, this is truly the first known railway. -- NE2 01:33, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
As the intial originator of this page I wrote overland to distinguish it from underground where "hund" systems previously existed and were very much an embryonic railway in that the wheels did run on rails (albeit flat planks) with guidance by a mix of pin and the skill of the operator. Hund systems were also very short haul, the WW at two-miles was substantially longer. As my 2012 paper to ERC 5, which followed up both Dr Lewis' and Dr King's earlier papers, outlines the Wollaton may not have been the first (we simply don't know) but it is the first for which there is surviving provenance. We also know that Huntingdon Beaumont took this development with him to Northumberland and from there over the next two centuries waggonways in the Beaumont style evolved, morphing into iron edge rail sytems which spread worldwide. Think of the WW like the lowest portion of a tree's trunk; the roots may be uncertain and unseen but the onward and upward growth of the trunk is clear as are the later branches and developments.23:33, 31 December 2014 (UTC) Johnrnew ( talk)