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Did you know... that one of the Wolfe-class ships of the line was destroyed by a storm before she had even been launched?
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Potentially worth quoting:
Donald R. HickeyThe War of 1812: A Forgotten Conflict p. 195 Had the conflict lasted another year, five of the most powerful warships in the world [St. Lawrence, Wolfe, Canada, Chippewa, and New Orleans] would have been concentrated within thirty-five miles of each other at Kingston and Sackets Harbor on an inland lake with no access to the sea (my other source only obliquely mentions the Wolfe-class ships, merely referencing the laying down of two 120-gun ships, although it does state that St. Lawrence was poorly built). I can provide further bibliographic details for Hickey if you do want to include something from that quote
I could put that in for sure, if you'd be kind enough to provide the necessary details
I'm assuming this is an American/British discrepancy I can't explain, but I find it odd that the American sources put a period after "St" in St Lawrence, but the British sources apparently don't
Assume also, really not my wheelhouse! Interestingly Winfield actually spells it out as "Saint Lawrence"
"These ships were designed by Thomas Strickland, a shipwright who had been sent from England to assist in the first rate program" - I'm guessing "These ships" are the British ones, but the immediate context of where this sentence is located would suggest the American ones
Rephrased
Body has depth of hold at 18' 5", infobox has 18' 4"
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... that construction on Wolfe-class ships of the line slowed, sat incomplete for 15 years, and then was cancelled after the
War of 1812? Source: In the cancellation section of the article.
ALT1: ... that one ship from the Wolfe-class ship of the line was destroyed by a storm? Source: Winfield, Rif (2008). British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793–1817: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates. Barnsley, South Yorkshire: Seaforth. ISBN 978-1-78346-926-0. page 30 , Malcolmson, Robert (2001). "Part II: War on the Great Lakes". In Robert Gardiner (ed.). The Naval War of 1812. London: Caxton Editions. ISBN 1-84067-3605. Page 113
Hi
Onegreatjoke, another excellent article from
Pickersgill-Cunliffe, review follows: article promoted to GA on 2 December; inline citations throughout to impeccable sources; I don't have the sources used but more than happy to assume there has been no copyright violation; hooks are OK but perhaps more interest can be added: I would suggest ALT1 would be improved by mentioning that it sat in an incomplete state for 15 years first, also I found it interesting that if complete the class would have produced"five of the most powerful warships in the world...on an inland lake with no access to the sea", perhaps this could be used? -
Dumelow (
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22:37, 5 December 2022 (UTC)reply
OK, I've struck ALT0 as I don't think the text currently supports that construction slowed. ALT1 and ALT2 are fine (AGF on sourcing). Requesting a second reviewer for ALT3 and ALT4 -
Dumelow (
talk)
18:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
theleekycauldron, thanks for looking at this. It's "The frames of Wolfe and Canada were left on the stocks at Kingston for another fifteen years and never completed", stocks are a support for the hull of the vessel when it is constructed in the yard. When a vessel is launched the stocks are removed and it is slid into the water. Pinging
Pickersgill-Cunliffe, are you able to confirm this? Thanks -
Dumelow (
talk)
06:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
Dumelow; indeed neither ship was launched, the frames of the ships stayed in the dockyard unfinished. Re ALT4 I note that the "five...most powerful warships" includes St Lawrence and two American warships that were being built; the hooks relating to the quote currently read as if all five were Wolfe class. Thanks,
Pickersgill-Cunliffe (
talk)
12:55, 7 December 2022 (UTC)reply
A fact from Wolfe-class ship of the line appeared on Wikipedia's
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Did you know... that one of the Wolfe-class ships of the line was destroyed by a storm before she had even been launched?
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Potentially worth quoting:
Donald R. HickeyThe War of 1812: A Forgotten Conflict p. 195 Had the conflict lasted another year, five of the most powerful warships in the world [St. Lawrence, Wolfe, Canada, Chippewa, and New Orleans] would have been concentrated within thirty-five miles of each other at Kingston and Sackets Harbor on an inland lake with no access to the sea (my other source only obliquely mentions the Wolfe-class ships, merely referencing the laying down of two 120-gun ships, although it does state that St. Lawrence was poorly built). I can provide further bibliographic details for Hickey if you do want to include something from that quote
I could put that in for sure, if you'd be kind enough to provide the necessary details
I'm assuming this is an American/British discrepancy I can't explain, but I find it odd that the American sources put a period after "St" in St Lawrence, but the British sources apparently don't
Assume also, really not my wheelhouse! Interestingly Winfield actually spells it out as "Saint Lawrence"
"These ships were designed by Thomas Strickland, a shipwright who had been sent from England to assist in the first rate program" - I'm guessing "These ships" are the British ones, but the immediate context of where this sentence is located would suggest the American ones
Rephrased
Body has depth of hold at 18' 5", infobox has 18' 4"
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Did you know nomination
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
... that construction on Wolfe-class ships of the line slowed, sat incomplete for 15 years, and then was cancelled after the
War of 1812? Source: In the cancellation section of the article.
ALT1: ... that one ship from the Wolfe-class ship of the line was destroyed by a storm? Source: Winfield, Rif (2008). British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793–1817: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates. Barnsley, South Yorkshire: Seaforth. ISBN 978-1-78346-926-0. page 30 , Malcolmson, Robert (2001). "Part II: War on the Great Lakes". In Robert Gardiner (ed.). The Naval War of 1812. London: Caxton Editions. ISBN 1-84067-3605. Page 113
Hi
Onegreatjoke, another excellent article from
Pickersgill-Cunliffe, review follows: article promoted to GA on 2 December; inline citations throughout to impeccable sources; I don't have the sources used but more than happy to assume there has been no copyright violation; hooks are OK but perhaps more interest can be added: I would suggest ALT1 would be improved by mentioning that it sat in an incomplete state for 15 years first, also I found it interesting that if complete the class would have produced"five of the most powerful warships in the world...on an inland lake with no access to the sea", perhaps this could be used? -
Dumelow (
talk)
22:37, 5 December 2022 (UTC)reply
OK, I've struck ALT0 as I don't think the text currently supports that construction slowed. ALT1 and ALT2 are fine (AGF on sourcing). Requesting a second reviewer for ALT3 and ALT4 -
Dumelow (
talk)
18:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
theleekycauldron, thanks for looking at this. It's "The frames of Wolfe and Canada were left on the stocks at Kingston for another fifteen years and never completed", stocks are a support for the hull of the vessel when it is constructed in the yard. When a vessel is launched the stocks are removed and it is slid into the water. Pinging
Pickersgill-Cunliffe, are you able to confirm this? Thanks -
Dumelow (
talk)
06:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
Dumelow; indeed neither ship was launched, the frames of the ships stayed in the dockyard unfinished. Re ALT4 I note that the "five...most powerful warships" includes St Lawrence and two American warships that were being built; the hooks relating to the quote currently read as if all five were Wolfe class. Thanks,
Pickersgill-Cunliffe (
talk)
12:55, 7 December 2022 (UTC)reply