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I'll get straight to the point: I think it would be appropriate to retitle all articles of gray wolf subspecies with the qualifier "gray", eg. Northwestern wolf > Northwestern gray wolf. Here's the reason: I believe their current names may mislead readers into thinking the animals are in the same category of the red wolf and Ethiopian wolf, which are distinct species. Adding the adjective "gray" is not only perfectly accurate, but it also removes any subspecies/species ambiguity. Mariomassone ( talk) 13:05, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Why does this article use American English? Canada has more grey wolves than US, yet Canadian English is not used. Editor abcdef ( talk) 10:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
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Following the unwarranted statement that only tigers pose a "serious threat" to gray wolves. Liz Bradley, a wolf biologist with the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks, has documented repeated instances of mountain lion predation on the wolves in her study, in the Bitterroot region of Montana. The wolves are typically killed with a single bite, which punctures the brain-case. [1]
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21:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC)Only several incidences are recorded, does not count as serious predation, and cougars actually avoid wolf territory, tigers, on the other hand, will almost clear an area of wolves: http://flatheadbeacon.com/2014/06/22/wyoming-study-finds-cougars-avoid-wolf-territory/
Is it really correct to say gray wolf's closest relative is domestic dog? Domestic dog is a subspecies of gray wolf, it is like saying plains coyote is closest relative of coyote, or golden jackal's closest relative is European golden jackal. Editor abcdef ( talk) 09:03, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Especially that regarding the lack of enforcement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.76.33.148 ( talk) 00:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Is the referent of Gray_wolf#Africa the same as that of Egyptian jackal? Chrisrus ( talk) 05:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Ok, so which is this photo: File:Lupaster.png?
I request that someone adds to the section Range_and_Conservation/Europe/Recovery that:
On the 16. of October of 2012 a wolf was spotted in a national park in Thy, Denmark [1] [2]. This marked the first time since 1813 that a wild wolf has been observed in Denmark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.52.238.107 ( talk) 21:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
No offense but this section title is overly redundant, the current scientific consensus is that "gray wolf" is exactly equal to Canis lupus. What else is a "gray wolf"? All subspecies of C. lupus except for domestic dogs and dingoes?
I will like to see comments by other users as well. Editor abcdef ( talk) 10:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm trying to make sense of the line in the section about fur, which says, "The ears are covered in short hairs, which strongly project from the fur." I'm thinking that the hairs already constitute the fur. Do the hairs project strongly from the ears? Yes. Do the ears project strongly from the head? Yes. And do the ears project strongly from the rest of the fur? Yes. I would edit the sentence for clarity, but I'm not sure of the meaning. Did the information come from Heptner et al.? Anyone have a suggestion? Berglopen ( talk) 02:08, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
The page statistics for this article ( http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Gray_wolf) tells me that this page receives around 3,000 hits per day and has been viewed 77,026 times in the last 30 days. This article ranked 2,212 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org. Additionally, it has 555 watchers. Keep up the good work, all. Regards, William Harris • talk • 22:17, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
On the map the colour for scandinavia is "extinct". That is now (since a decade or two) wrong. When wolves was new reesablished and there was a debate about eradicating them again and it was said that there was no record of wolves attacing people there was a serious atack in Finland, we have had a few serious atacks on people in Sweden too. At present there are more than 200 wolves in Sweden and we have provisionally been prohibited from taking the stock down to 200, prohibited by the EU-court! In Norway there are something like 10-20 individs but they are haunted. Seniorsag ( talk) 13:21, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
The entire continent of Australia is shown as historical gray wolf territory, on the grounds dingoes (and presumably any wild dogs) are considered gray wolves. But as "Relationship to the Dog" observes, the clades are separate: dogs are wolves but not gray wolves. David Bofinger ( talk) 11:02, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Somebody went over onto Wikipedia Commons and took the "Dingo map" and combined it with the "Gray wolf map" to give the "Gray wolf range" map we now see in the Taxabox. I understand that we go with MSW3 (2005) here on Wikipedia. Page 575 of that text gives the distribution of Canis lupus, and it looks nothing like what is being depicted in the taxabox as it does not include Australasia and South-East Asia. This last one does. I suggest that the graphic be changed. Regards, William Harris • talk • 09:46, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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Despite the gray wolf's relatively widespread range and stable population, it is classified as Endangered by the KulumWoW ( talk) 03:16, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
They are listed as Endangered, not least protected.
https://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile.action?spcode=A00D
http://www.defenders.org/gray-wolf/basic-facts
I am thinking of adding material regarding the recovery of wolves in the western US, especially in Washington State where they have recently shown a fairly rapid expansion of their range. The source of material would primarily be the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. Thoughts? PRM4286 ( talk) 16:05, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello All, a request for information, please. Broadly, when two genetic specimens belong to the same haplogroup, it generally indicates descent from a common ancestor. In the article section on Haplogroups it states "...in Europe haplogroup 2 became outnumbered by haplogroup 1 but in North America haplogroup 2 became extinct and was replaced by haplogroup 1 after the Last Glacial Maximum." This is the work of Pilot 2010 and the North America Pleistocene haplogroup 2 samples she used were from Leonard 2007 that was based on the Beringian wolf. Given that Beringia was separated from the rest of North American by the Wisconsin glaciation during the late Pleistocene - which appears to have kept the Beringians and the Dire wolf separated from each other - that analysis would not have covered the Pleistocene C.l. samples found in the Rancho La Brea tar pits (along with samples of Canis dirus). The asphalt was good for preserving bodies but destroyed the DNA, so these would be useless for analysis. I cannot find any DNA analysis undertaken of Pleistocene C.l. samples found elsewhere in North America, assuming they have been found elsewhere. Does anybody know if this has ever been undertaken, please? (Basically, I am trying to ascertain which haplogroup these may have belonged to, if any. It would then have an impact on the G.W. article.) Regards, William Harris • talk • 09:50, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I would suggest new material on the gray wolf. I would like to add that wolves benefit an ecosystem.
Wolves Can Benefit Ecosystems
Wolves in Yellowstone were reintroduced to their natural environment. The wolves benefit other species in Yellowstone and making the habitat more diverse ( http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/National-Wildlife/Animals/Archives/2003/A-Top-Dog-Takes-Over.aspx). Wolves hunt the elk and deer which helps the aspens trees grow ( http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/National-Wildlife/Animals/Archives/2003/A-Top-Dog-Takes-Over.aspx). Scientists found a “hidden connection” about the songbirds ( http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/National-Wildlife/Animals/Archives/2003/A-Top-Dog-Takes-Over.aspx). The songbirds were around trees where elk decreased in the area ( http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/National-Wildlife/Animals/Archives/2003/A-Top-Dog-Takes-Over.aspx). In ecological terms, the wolves are serving as a keystone species for other wildlife in Yellowstone.
WMcDo111 ( talk) 04:21, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I think major cutbacks on the evolution section are needed, as well as in other places. It's seems way too bloated and convoluted for my liking. This page is at 200kb too, so why does this page need expansion when it should be greatly reduced? Not too long ago it was 160kb. The "New World gray wolf subspecies" subsection is a good example on what I mean, how is 70% of the content in the third paragraph necessary? Simplify it, not write a giant novel. Burklemore1 ( talk) 23:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
If this article continues to seem "too long" even after it no longer seems "too convoluted", one thing we normally do is to spin off sub-articles like Wolf attack or Wolf hunting and just leave a brief summary and link behind. Chrisrus ( talk) 06:29, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Given that there has been a day elapsed since initiation of discussion, and given that there has been 51 watchers of our musings, I should probably get back to Burklemore's points and propose something for others to consider - or at least for them not be too alarmed once we agree to some editing.
The trouble with the quick and dirty fixes is that while solving the problem for us, they just pass the problem on to someone else. A solution with a bit more work, but more responsible, would be:
The following sections content largely moved back under their associated Main article pages, with only 1-2 short paragraphs and the link:
The section titled "Relationships with humans", the following sub-sections content largely moved back under their associated Main article pages, with only one sentence and the link:
Then consider whether the section titled "Relationships with humans" should then be WP:SPINOFF
The section titled "New World gray wolf subspecies", paragraph 3 being singled out, plus paragraph 4: para 3 to be seriously pruned, in that citations 5, 56, 57, are all publicly available so they do not require the level of elaboration that currently exists and interested readers can go to the cited works. Citation 59 is not and warrants elaboration, but perhaps reduced in verbiage. They should then be relocated under the existing article “Subspecies of Canis lupus#Disputed subspecies and species”. Consider whether "Disputed subspecies and species" should be WP:SPINOFF into its own article.
For your consideration. (Let the growling begin!!) Regards, William Harris • WikiProject Dogs • talk • 09:41, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
SUMMARY OF COMMENTS:
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Burklemore1 | Major cutback in Evolution and elsewhere, bloated. Article convoluted. Support Funkmonk if Wolf spinoff article. Support for Oknazevad position. |
FunkMonk | Canis lupus remains a redirect to Gray wolf. Wolf redirect could be used for wider meaning article. |
Chrisrus | Search on Wolves and Canis lupus should end on Gray wolf. Canis lupus to Cl disimbag - then choose? |
DrChrissy | Lead does not cover the expanse of the topic. Main article sections reduced by 50%. |
Oknazevad | Subspecies belongs to Taxonomy, not Evolution, and keep them close together. Haplotypes and such reduced, keep it general encyclopedic. |
William Harris | As listed under the section "To Work" |
KEY DECISIONS:
Issue | Description |
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Issue A | Use of Canis lupus: either redirects to Gray wolf or redirects to Canis lupus disimbag? (Need to keep in mind the other page titled "Subspecies of Canis lupus", and not "Subspecies of Gray wolf") |
Proposal A | Leave as it is for now, revisit post Larson report, may require a C.l. Disimbag page depending on the findings. Same for any further discussion on the appropriateness of a separate Wolf page |
Issue B | "Sub-species", "Relationship to the dog", and "Hybridization with other Canis" should be made their own full headings. "Sub-species" should fall under "Taxonomy"? |
Proposal B | "Relationship to the dog", and "Hybridization with other Canis" should be made their own full headings. "Sub-species" to fall under "Taxonomy", with a merge to the main topic page "Subspecies of Canis lupus" and link provided. |
PROPOSED CONTRIBUTIONS: (Depending on time constraints, availability and interests)
All editing changes to bear the description: Refer Talk:Gray wolf#To work
Editor | Contributions proposed |
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FunkMonk | Review the scope of this article. What should be included, what is missing and should be included, what should its structure look like? |
Chrisrus | Review the Hatnotes, key redirects and disimbags - are they appropriate and doing what they are supposed to be doing? Once the material has been relocated, decide if the separate article "Subspecies of Canis lupus#Disputed subspecies: the Disputed subspecies be spun off as its own article. |
DrChrissy | Once structure is confirmed, review lead paragraphs (i.e. that appear before TOC) for relevance based on the material then in the article. |
Oknazevad | Once material reduced, decide if "Relationship with humans" is to be spun off. If so, do we keep "Livestock" as a part of the Gray wolf article, perhaps within "Range and Conservation", as it may be a limiting factor on GWs range and conservation. |
Burklemore1 | Under the section titled "Relationships with humans", the following sub-sections content largely moved back under their related Main article pages, with only the lead paragraph from that article page reflected back on the Gray wolf page with the link: In mythology and folklore to Main article - Wolves in folklore, religion and mythology; in heraldry and symbolism to Main article -Wolves in heraldry; Attacks on humans to Main article - Wolf attacks on humans; Hunting to Main articles - Wolf hunting and Wolf hunting with dogs; Section titled Uses appears to be based on Quarry section of the Wolf hunting article?; As pets and working animals to Main article - Wolves as pets and working animals. (If its some editing action on the Gray wolf page you sought, then "Beware of what ye seek, lest thee may find it" !!) |
Editor abcdef | Check the "External Links" section for broken links and appropriateness. (You know that you want a piece of this action!) |
William Harris | Deal with species/subspecies with link under Taxonomy. Origin section - reduce/remove to more general encyclopedic. Reduce to 1-2 paragraphs with links: Relationship to the dog to Main article - Origin of the domestic dog; Hybridization with other Canis to Main article - Canid hybrid. |
For your consideration. Regards, William Harris • talk • 07:56, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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"The gray wolf (Canis lupus[a]) is the name of a species of canid whose nominate[3] subspecies is the Eurasian Wolf (Canis lupus lupus),[4] also known as a the common wolf" should be changed to "The gray wolf (Canis lupus[a]) is the name of a species of canid whose nominate[3] subspecies is the Eurasian Wolf (Canis lupus lupus),[4] also known as the common wolf."
the grey wolf is also in southern oregon http://dfw.state.or.us/Wolves/population.asp
I checked the IUCN Redlist and the Canis lupus was indeed under Least Concern. However I think there should be brief mention at a regional level such as in North America and Europe that the Canis lupus is at endangered or threatened level.
Under U.S Fish and Wildlife https://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile.action?spcode=A00D It is stated that Canis lupis as endangered, however due to population recovery, it has been proposed to be delisted.
This may help readers understand that although the listing is of "Least Concern" there are regions that the Canis lupis is at higher risk level such as endangered or threatened.
Thank You I hope this helps.
I find it weird that a totally legendary being such as the " chupacabra" is seriously mentioned in this article, even if described as "putative". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14D:5CE2:0:400A:43B5:E8B7:4F27 ( talk) 21:17, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm working on an article for the she-wolf of Roman mythology. I propose changing the redirect from here to the disambiguation page. That would tidy up the hatnotes and seems to make more sense. I'm not sure how many users are looking for this page when they search for "she-wolf". Comments? Informata ob Iniquitatum ( talk) 12:14, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Bozkurt or gökbörü (in asian) means "gray wolf" and it is very important for Turkic history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.191.155.139 ( talk) 11:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
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If you had followed the link that was provided then you would have been able to answer your own question. The editor did not articulate well what they were suggesting, however if you follow the link to Canine reproduction you will find that article is specifically about reproduction in domestic dogs and not wolves, and also contains the pix of the two wolves mating in it. I assume the editor is indicating that the pix of the wolves should be removed from the Canine reproduction article, and the link to that article should be removed from gray wolf. A valid point, I would have thought. Regards, William Harris • (talk) • 12:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Given my recent edits with two references in the article regarding the range of the gray wolf to be across mainland China, the natural range of the gray wolf in the taxobox will require amendment to include southern China. William Harris • (talk) • 19:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
My recent edit on Gray wolf is intriguing. Reader ensured that all species in MSW3 were given a common name, and so all of the subspecies of C.l. were designated the common name "wolf". Reader also wrote on page xxxii of MSW3 that "there are no rules regarding vernacular names". This implies that where Wozencraft wrote "dingo [domestic dog]" and "familiaris [domestic dog]", he was implying that both fall under the vernacular domestic dog [clade] as they were both domesticated variants - but did not specifically spell that out. This then implies that all of the other subspecies fall under another vernacular name - grey wolf we assume - but MSW3 did not say so. Therefore, we would be correct in assuming that the article Gray wolf is specifically about the non-domesticated subspecies. I have formed the opinion that Gray wolf is NOT about Canis lupus, it is about the wild subspecies of Canis lupus and the article should focus just on that. Articles on the dog and the dingo exist elsewhere. Regards, William Harris • (talk) • 03:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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The wolf on the image has a characteristic of Canis lupus italicus: the dark line on the front legs [1] compare [2]]. Gray wolf is a synonym for Eurasian wolf Canis lupus lupus [3]. Sciencia58 ( talk) 10:35, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
www.dbb-wolf.de is the very recent official German Government site. In 2016 the size of the German wolf population was 61 pack. Growth is approx 30% per year for the last 10 years. Latest numbers for the French wolf population (57 zones of presence) can be found in http://www.oncfs.gouv.fr/Bulletin-dinformation-du-reseau-Loup-download130, Swiss wolf population is documented in kora.ch (3 packs). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.209.79.2 ( talk) 14:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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It has been proven that wolves can be deterred from hunting livestock by playing recordings of other wolf packs. The wolves will think it's another pack's territory and stay away. This has been tested with positive results. Wolfgirl81 ( talk) 18:48, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
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I don't see anything about the lifespan of a wolf? can that be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.7.244 ( talk) 12:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
The map provided for the current and extirpated wolf range is slightly off. The current range should include the northeast of Minnesota, upper Wisconsin and the UP of Michigan. I just noticed because I'm from Minnesota :). I don't know how to edit images in Wikipedia so if anyone could update that, it would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JorikThePooh ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Maybe this applies to the entire section Range and Conservation but i note it when reading Range/North America/modern range. The second paragraph (on Canada, "Canada is home to ...") contains disconnected points on hunting without any attempt to explain connection to range change. This is unsubstantiated data if meant to inform on range. Range data should be both more clearly separated from conservation and more directly tied to _demonstrable_ changes in range. Merely saying people can hunt in certain jurisdictions is a biased attempt to imply that current hunting and government programs have led to the current range, implied as diminished. Where historical associations are shown fine, but that paragraph makes no attempt to demonstrate cause and effect. Thanks. Eco ant ( talk) 01:29, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
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Please include the following new "physiology" section near the preexisting "anatomy" section:
Generally, wolves have a high heart weight of 0.93%-1.07% total body mass compared to the average mammal at 0.59% total body mass (Constable et al 1998). Wolves have a decreased heart rate, increased QRS duration, QT interval, and Q, R, and S voltage suggesting cardiac enlargement and hypertrophy. The Tibetan gray wolf, who occupies territories up to 3,000 above sea level, has evolved a heart that withstands the low oxygen levels (Zhang et al 2014). Specifically, these wolves have a strong selection for RYR2, a gene that initiates cardiac excitation. Human presence appears to stress wolves, as seen by increased cortisol levels, in instances such as snowmobiling (Creel, Fox, Hardy, Sands, Garrott, & Peterson 2002) and zoos (Pifarré, Valdez, González-Rebeles, Vázquez, Romano, & Galindo 2012). However, captive-born wolves might experience less stress over their first two years at the zoo (Escobar-Ibarra et al. 2017). Like wild wolves, captive wolves experience higher cortisol levels during the reproductive season as well as among higher ranking and elder wolves (Escobar-Ibarra et al. 2017). The greatest increase in cortisol is caused by husbandry procedures, increasing it from its basal level of 24.0-48.4 ng/g to 1000% higher within 48 hours (Molnar et al. 2015) which declines after two days (Escobar-Ibarra et al. 2017). The larger the pack in free-ranging populations, the lower the cortisol levels, which raise significantly when a pack member dies (Molnar et al. 2015). Hematological values for wolves are typically as follows: total CO2 (mEq/L) 20.2 +/- 3.3, Sodium (mEq/L) 147.3 +/- 2.0, Potassium (mEq/L) 4.9 +/- .3, Chloride (mEq/L) 111.0 +/- 2.3, Calcium (mg/dl) 9.4 +/- .7, Phosphorus (mg/dl) 3.6 +/- 1.3, Glucose (mg/dl) 92 +/- 50, Creatinine (mg/dl) 1.01 +/- .10, BUN (mg/dl) 46.2 +/- 23.5, BUN/creatinine ratio (mg/dl) 47.5 +/- 22.2, Bilirubin (mg/dl) .24 +/- .10, Cholesterol (mg/dl) 168 +/- 33, ALP (U/L) 75 +/- 87, CIALP (U/L) 17 +/- 36, ALT (U/L) 109 +/- 50, AST (U/L) 123 +/- 103, CK (U/L) 364 +/- 189, Total protein (g/dl) 5.99 +/- .43, Albumin (g/dl) 4.00 +/- .33, Total T4 (nM/L) 15.4 +/- 7.6, Total T3 (nM/L) 1.10 +/- .30, Free T4 (pM/L) 11.5 +/- 8.3, Free T3 (pM/L) 4.6 +/- 2.0, TSH (mU/L) 21.4 +/- 10.6 (Constable et al 1998). Free-ranging wolves have lower sodium, chloride, and creatinine concentrations as well as higher potassium and blood urea nitrogen (BUN). BUN to creatinine ratios, alanine aminotransferase, aspartate aminotransferase, and creatine kinase activities are also higher in free-ranging wolves. These factors might be related to a recent meal or intense exercise (Finco & Duncan 1976; McKeever, Schurg, Convertino 1985). It appears only dominant male and female wolves urine mark, and this is positively correlated with testosterone levels (Asa, Mech, Seal, & Plotka 1990). This tends to increase during breeding seasons, fall and winter. In males, progestin and estradiol tend to be higher during the non-reproductive season (Barja, Silván, Rosellini, Piñeiro, Illera, & Illera 2008). In females, these two hormones increase along with testosterone during the reproductive season. In captivity, anestrous wolves have progesterone values between 1–2 ng/ml, estradiol-17β concentrations between 5–20 pg/ml, and LH values between 0.1–2 ng/ml (Seal, Plotka, Packard, & Mech 1979). Estradiol-17β varies between 10–20 pg/ml during proestrus, peaks at 30–70 pg/ml late in proestrus, and fluctuates between 10–30 pg/ml during pregnancy or the duration of luteal activity in nonpregnant wolves. The preovulatory LH rise, 5–15 ng/ml, occurs simultaneously and following the peak estradiol-17β values. Progesterone peaks 11–14 days later at 22–40 ng/ml.
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Barja, I., Silván, G., Rosellini, S., Piñeiro, A., Illera, M., & Illera, J. (2008). Quantification of sexual steroid hormones in faeces of Iberian wolf (Canis lupus signatus): A non-invasive sex typing method. Reproduction in Domestic Animals, 43(6), 701-707. doi:10.1111/j.1439-0531.2007.00974.x
Constable, P., Hinchcliff, K., Demma, N., Callahan, M., Dale, B., Fox, K., . . . Kramer, L. (1998). Electrocardiographic consequences of a peripatetic lifestyle in gray wolves (Canis lupus). Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology Part A: Molecular & Integrative Physiology, 120(3), 557-563. doi:10.1016/s1095-6433(98)10066-1
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Creel, S., Fox, J. E., Hardy, A., Sands, J., Garrott, B., & Peterson, R. O. (2002). Snowmobile activity and glucocorticoid stress responses in wolves and elk. Conservation Biology,16(3), 809-814. doi:10.1046/j.1523-1739.2002.00554.x
Escobar-Ibarra, I., Mayagoitia-Novales, L., Alcántara-Barrera, A., Cerda-Molina, A. L., Mondragón-Ceballos, R., Ramírez-Necoechea, R., & Alonso-Spilsbury, M. (2017). Long-term quantification of faecal glucocorticoid metabolite concentrations reveals that Mexican grey wolves may habituate to captivity. The European Zoological Journal, 84(1), 311-320. doi:10.1080/24750263.2017.1332111
Finco, D., & Duncan, J. (1976). Evaluation of blood urea nitrogen and serum creatinine concentrations as indicators of renal dysfunction: a study of 111 cases and a review of related literature. Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, 168(7), 593-601.
McKeever, K. H., Schurg, W. A., & Convertino, V. A. (1985). Exercise training-induced hypervolemia in greyhounds: role of water intake and renal mechanisms. American Journal of Physiology-Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology, 248(4). doi:10.1152/ajpregu.1985.248.4.r422
Molnar, B., Fattebert, J., Palme, R., Ciucci, P., Betschart, B., Smith, D. W., & Diehl, P. (2015). Environmental and intrinsic correlates of stress in free-ranging wolves. Plos One, 10(9). doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0137378
Pifarré, M., Valdez, R., González-Rebeles, C., Vázquez, C., Romano, M., & Galindo, F. (2012). The effect of zoo visitors on the behaviour and faecal cortisol of the Mexican wolf (Canis lupus baileyi). Applied Animal Behaviour Science, 136(1), 57-62. doi:10.1016/j.applanim.2011.11.015
Zhang, W., Fan, Z., Han, E., Hou, R., Zhang, L., Galaverni, M., . . . Zhang, Z. (2014). Hypoxia adaptations in the Grey wolf (Canis lupus chanco) from Qinghai-Tibet Plateau. PLoS Genetics, 10(7). doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.1004466
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Understood; how about the following for a new "physiology" section? :
Generally, wolves have a high heart weight of 0.93%-1.07% total body mass compared to the average mammal at 0.59% total body mass (Constable et al 1998). Wolves have a decreased heart rate suggesting cardiac enlargement and hypertrophy. The Tibetan gray wolf, who occupies territories up to 3,000 above sea level, has evolved a heart that withstands the low oxygen levels (Zhang et al 2014). Specifically, these wolves have a strong selection for RYR2, a gene that initiates cardiac excitation. Human presence appears to stress wolves, as seen by increased cortisol levels in instances such as snowmobiling near their territory (Creel, Fox, Hardy, Sands, Garrott, & Peterson 2002). Wolves experience higher cortisol levels during the reproductive season as well as among higher ranking and elder wolves (Escobar-Ibarra et al. 2017). The larger the pack, the lower the cortisol levels, which raise significantly when a pack member dies (Molnar et al. 2015). It appears only dominant male and female wolves urine mark, and this is positively correlated with testosterone levels (Asa, Mech, Seal, & Plotka 1990). This tends to increase during breeding seasons, fall and winter. In males, progestin and estradiol tend to be higher during the non-reproductive season (Barja, Silván, Rosellini, Piñeiro, Illera, & Illera 2008). In females, these two hormones increase along with testosterone during the reproductive season.
References
Asa, C. S., Mech, L., Seal, U. S., & Plotka, E. D. (1990). The influence of social and endocrine factors on urine-marking by captive wolves (Canis lupus). Hormones and Behavior, 24(4), 497-509. doi:10.1016/0018-506x(90)90038-y
Barja, I., Silván, G., Rosellini, S., Piñeiro, A., Illera, M., & Illera, J. (2008). Quantification of sexual steroid hormones in faeces of Iberian wolf (Canis lupus signatus): A non-invasive sex typing method. Reproduction in Domestic Animals, 43(6), 701-707. doi:10.1111/j.1439-0531.2007.00974.x
Constable, P., Hinchcliff, K., Demma, N., Callahan, M., Dale, B., Fox, K., . . . Kramer, L. (1998). Electrocardiographic consequences of a peripatetic lifestyle in gray wolves (Canis lupus). Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology Part A: Molecular & Integrative Physiology, 120(3), 557-563. doi:10.1016/s1095-6433(98)10066-1
Creel, S., Fox, J. E., Hardy, A., Sands, J., Garrott, B., & Peterson, R. O. (2002). Snowmobile activity and glucocorticoid stress responses in wolves and elk. Conservation Biology,16(3), 809-814. doi:10.1046/j.1523-1739.2002.00554.x
Escobar-Ibarra, I., Mayagoitia-Novales, L., Alcántara-Barrera, A., Cerda-Molina, A. L., Mondragón-Ceballos, R., Ramírez-Necoechea, R., & Alonso-Spilsbury, M. (2017). Long-term quantification of faecal glucocorticoid metabolite concentrations reveals that Mexican grey wolves may habituate to captivity. The European Zoological Journal, 84(1), 311-320. doi:10.1080/24750263.2017.1332111
Molnar, B., Fattebert, J., Palme, R., Ciucci, P., Betschart, B., Smith, D. W., & Diehl, P. (2015). Environmental and intrinsic correlates of stress in free-ranging wolves. Plos One, 10(9). doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0137378
Zhang, W., Fan, Z., Han, E., Hou, R., Zhang, L., Galaverni, M., . . . Zhang, Z. (2014). Hypoxia adaptations in the Grey wolf (Canis lupus chanco) from Qinghai-Tibet Plateau. PLoS Genetics, 10(7). doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.1004466
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Hi there. I don't have much experience suggesting wikipedia edits and am sorry if the format is incorrect.
The artie says that grey wolves are the largest species in the canis family. However, I believe this is incorrect considering very large dogs such as the Great Dane. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.157.37 ( talk) 20:03, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus is that this particular wolf, including its subspecies, is the one people are most likely looking for when they search for wolf. Some rescoping to include further details on subspecies, per RedSlash's suggestion may be in order, but the article already covers this in places so it's not a major change. — Amakuru ( talk) 14:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Gray wolf →
Wolf – I think
Gray wolf should be moved to
Wolf because it already redirects here and seems to be the primary use although other animals called wolves are not gray wolves. If consensus is against moving this page, I suggest moving the disambiguation page to
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It is unfortunate that the views of 3 long-serving Gray wolf contributors were overlooked with this WP:MOVE decision. It would appear that this article now reflects what "most people are looking for", and that WP:PRECISION was ignored. What most people are looking for is the modern (Holocene) grey wolf Canis lupus. The scene is now set for the creation of the article about the extinct Pleistocene grey wolf Canis lupus, which is not the modern grey wolf. Things are about to become unclear. William Harris • (talk) • 00:34, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Wolves, including medium-to-giant dogs, have killed humans as food. This is rare and out of character. It has happened, and it is documented. The essence of man-eating is two elements: first, a killing of a person, and second, significant consumption of the person's flesh as meat. This rules out scavenging (which a domestic cat could do, but a domestic cat is highly unlikely to kill a human), but it does not rule out a defense of territory that becomes lethal.
This said, wolves are much less likely to kill humans for food than bears or Big Cats. With a dog, the chance is so slight (and it usually involves human misconduct) that the hazards of dogs and wolves are far less than those of encounters with large herbivores. Even a horse, probably the best-behaved of giant herbivores, is more lethal than a dog.
There is no question of ability. Dogs and wolves have the power, speed, agility, strength, cunning, voracity, keen senses, and sharp claws and teeth characteristic of such animals as bears and Big Cats that make those animals lethal. They are simply better behaved. Pbrower2a ( talk) 17:39, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
There are plenty of stories in Wikipedia on "Wolf of..." There is no question that wolves and dogs are potential man-eaters by ability. I am fully aware that there is no documented case of a healthy wolf making an unprovoked attack upon a human being in North America. But that's not to say that all wolves are healthy, and I would certainly never provoke a wolf.
It is possible that those medieval accounts reflect a time in which wolves were more aggressive, perhaps because humans were less likely to be in large groups and did not yet have the sorts of weapons (firearms) that made humans too dangerous as prey.
Now -- were the accounts reliable? Maybe they weren't all reliable. Death was commonplace, and anyone who died unseen was going to be scavenged. Blaming the wolf was easy.
Almost all accounts of wolves eating human flesh in modern times involve scavenging, which does not fit the category of 'man-eating'. But in pre-modern times? The dense forests of medieval Europe were places from which children never returned, and wolves were the presumed culprits. Feral dogs could also be the killers -- but wolves and dogs are the same species, anyway. Pbrower2a ( talk) 04:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Fictional accounts, and especially fairy tales, are never reliable sources on animal behavior, according to Wikipedia. Thus Peter Benchley's Jaws is not a valid source for putting the Great White Shark on the list of man-eating species. (Those sharks do not hunt humans, as human flesh is too low in fat to satisfy them).
This said, children who got lost in the woods often never got home. They usually died of thirst or exposure and of course were scavaged. A wolf doing exactly what a scavenger would be expected to do, often got undue blame, unlike a vulture. But there are medieval accounts of wolves taking children. Were the children alive or already dead? Child mortality was extremely high in the Middle Ages. Pbrower2a ( talk) 18:21, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Scavenging does not count as man-eating, or we would have to include such animals as domestic cats as man-eaters. An incident that can be explained as scavenging is thus not man-eating, even if by one of the most fearsome of predators. Are reports by semi-literate or illiterate people of the Middle Ages reliable sources even if someone writes them down in sincere belief? Of course not -- as we would need to accept as reality accounts of witchcraft that science now debunks and the validity of convictions for the 'crime' of witchcraft. So perhaps the stories of "Wolf of..." that identify wolves as man-eaters in medieval times are not valid. Pbrower2a ( talk) 14:47, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
wolf paw can be as big as a male human hand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.52.12.21 ( talk) 20:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
The article mentions wolf howls being heard to an area of even 130 km square kilometers. That would mean to an average radius of just little over ten kilometers or some seven miles. And that sounds a bit silly, because in good conditions, for example in the mountains, voice can carry really far. Ten kilometers would be maybe like closer to average hearing distance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:14BB:81:A198:8809:E6CA:8B17:A937 ( talk) 21:05, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
One could counter my arguments by claiming that as the energy carried is proportional to distance the average are must be about the same every time. However the energy spread is proportional to the VOLUME created by the radius r from the howling spot. Thus one can understand that in some situation more of the energy carried by the sound waves spreads to greater AREA, when the situations are so that not so much of it spreads to up the space and not on the surface of earth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:14BB:81:A198:90F3:29FA:DECB:7C43 ( talk) 19:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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Change map of wolf range to include northern Michigan, northern, Wisconsin, and northeast Minnesota in "Present" range. 165.189.65.63 ( talk) 21:23, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
The map of wolf distribution in Greece is very off. Wolves in Greece live in Thrace, some parts of Macedonia, Epirus, very western Thessaly, Aetoloakarnania, Phocis and Boeotia (in the reservation site of Parnassus). My village is there and wolf attacks have been a common thing, especially this past few years. Please, fix the map. The previous one was more accurate. User: Kuniskos 14 December 2018
Hi, I haven't been able to find a page dedicated to requesting size charts for extant mammalia (comparable to the paleobiology one), so I thought I'd try it here.
Would it be possible to make a size chart of the grey wolf, golden jackal and red fox using these three images as templates? Wolf, Jackal and Fox. Something similar to THIS maybe?
Obviously, the image will be very eurocentric, but I may get around to projecting one for North America and Africa.
Anyway, the shoulder heights are:
Grey wolf = 85 cm
Golden jackal = 50 cm
Red fox = 50 cm
Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place to ask, but I did try to find a more appropriate venue Mariomassone ( talk) 16:13, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Alright, so I have returned after bringing evidence that the distribution of wolves in Greece is wrong. The map merely shows them in a part of Macedonia, when in fact, most wolves in Greece live in the midlands, on the mountains of the Pindos mountain range and have never gone extinct from those mountains. I will provide a research on the wolf distribution in Greece conducted by the EU.
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Befor, on the wikipedia page of "Gray Wolf" The Shoulder height was at 80-90 cm. please change it back 2A02:2F0B:A2FF:FFFF:0:0:6468:D135 ( talk) 20:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Since wolves as a species didn't actually become extinct but were killed/relocated in specific regions, the usage of "extinct" throughout the article is misleading. I've tried to think about how it might be rewritten to reflect this, but I'm stuck whn it comes to actually doing so. Clovermoss ( talk) 23:00, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
My 2¢: we should use the correct term, which is extirpated. Yes, it's a less common term than "extinct", but it's not ambiguous or possibly incorrect in meaning and with a link it's easily explained for the unfamiliar. It's just clearer to use. oknazevad ( talk) 22:00, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
Anyone else think this section would benefit from a pair of maps indicating the distribution of Eurasian haplogroups and North American ecotypes? Mariomassone ( talk) 14:11, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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I'll get straight to the point: I think it would be appropriate to retitle all articles of gray wolf subspecies with the qualifier "gray", eg. Northwestern wolf > Northwestern gray wolf. Here's the reason: I believe their current names may mislead readers into thinking the animals are in the same category of the red wolf and Ethiopian wolf, which are distinct species. Adding the adjective "gray" is not only perfectly accurate, but it also removes any subspecies/species ambiguity. Mariomassone ( talk) 13:05, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Why does this article use American English? Canada has more grey wolves than US, yet Canadian English is not used. Editor abcdef ( talk) 10:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
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Following the unwarranted statement that only tigers pose a "serious threat" to gray wolves. Liz Bradley, a wolf biologist with the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks, has documented repeated instances of mountain lion predation on the wolves in her study, in the Bitterroot region of Montana. The wolves are typically killed with a single bite, which punctures the brain-case. [1]
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21:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC)Only several incidences are recorded, does not count as serious predation, and cougars actually avoid wolf territory, tigers, on the other hand, will almost clear an area of wolves: http://flatheadbeacon.com/2014/06/22/wyoming-study-finds-cougars-avoid-wolf-territory/
Is it really correct to say gray wolf's closest relative is domestic dog? Domestic dog is a subspecies of gray wolf, it is like saying plains coyote is closest relative of coyote, or golden jackal's closest relative is European golden jackal. Editor abcdef ( talk) 09:03, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Especially that regarding the lack of enforcement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.76.33.148 ( talk) 00:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Is the referent of Gray_wolf#Africa the same as that of Egyptian jackal? Chrisrus ( talk) 05:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Ok, so which is this photo: File:Lupaster.png?
I request that someone adds to the section Range_and_Conservation/Europe/Recovery that:
On the 16. of October of 2012 a wolf was spotted in a national park in Thy, Denmark [1] [2]. This marked the first time since 1813 that a wild wolf has been observed in Denmark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.52.238.107 ( talk) 21:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
No offense but this section title is overly redundant, the current scientific consensus is that "gray wolf" is exactly equal to Canis lupus. What else is a "gray wolf"? All subspecies of C. lupus except for domestic dogs and dingoes?
I will like to see comments by other users as well. Editor abcdef ( talk) 10:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm trying to make sense of the line in the section about fur, which says, "The ears are covered in short hairs, which strongly project from the fur." I'm thinking that the hairs already constitute the fur. Do the hairs project strongly from the ears? Yes. Do the ears project strongly from the head? Yes. And do the ears project strongly from the rest of the fur? Yes. I would edit the sentence for clarity, but I'm not sure of the meaning. Did the information come from Heptner et al.? Anyone have a suggestion? Berglopen ( talk) 02:08, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
The page statistics for this article ( http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Gray_wolf) tells me that this page receives around 3,000 hits per day and has been viewed 77,026 times in the last 30 days. This article ranked 2,212 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org. Additionally, it has 555 watchers. Keep up the good work, all. Regards, William Harris • talk • 22:17, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
On the map the colour for scandinavia is "extinct". That is now (since a decade or two) wrong. When wolves was new reesablished and there was a debate about eradicating them again and it was said that there was no record of wolves attacing people there was a serious atack in Finland, we have had a few serious atacks on people in Sweden too. At present there are more than 200 wolves in Sweden and we have provisionally been prohibited from taking the stock down to 200, prohibited by the EU-court! In Norway there are something like 10-20 individs but they are haunted. Seniorsag ( talk) 13:21, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
The entire continent of Australia is shown as historical gray wolf territory, on the grounds dingoes (and presumably any wild dogs) are considered gray wolves. But as "Relationship to the Dog" observes, the clades are separate: dogs are wolves but not gray wolves. David Bofinger ( talk) 11:02, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Somebody went over onto Wikipedia Commons and took the "Dingo map" and combined it with the "Gray wolf map" to give the "Gray wolf range" map we now see in the Taxabox. I understand that we go with MSW3 (2005) here on Wikipedia. Page 575 of that text gives the distribution of Canis lupus, and it looks nothing like what is being depicted in the taxabox as it does not include Australasia and South-East Asia. This last one does. I suggest that the graphic be changed. Regards, William Harris • talk • 09:46, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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Despite the gray wolf's relatively widespread range and stable population, it is classified as Endangered by the KulumWoW ( talk) 03:16, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
They are listed as Endangered, not least protected.
https://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile.action?spcode=A00D
http://www.defenders.org/gray-wolf/basic-facts
I am thinking of adding material regarding the recovery of wolves in the western US, especially in Washington State where they have recently shown a fairly rapid expansion of their range. The source of material would primarily be the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. Thoughts? PRM4286 ( talk) 16:05, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello All, a request for information, please. Broadly, when two genetic specimens belong to the same haplogroup, it generally indicates descent from a common ancestor. In the article section on Haplogroups it states "...in Europe haplogroup 2 became outnumbered by haplogroup 1 but in North America haplogroup 2 became extinct and was replaced by haplogroup 1 after the Last Glacial Maximum." This is the work of Pilot 2010 and the North America Pleistocene haplogroup 2 samples she used were from Leonard 2007 that was based on the Beringian wolf. Given that Beringia was separated from the rest of North American by the Wisconsin glaciation during the late Pleistocene - which appears to have kept the Beringians and the Dire wolf separated from each other - that analysis would not have covered the Pleistocene C.l. samples found in the Rancho La Brea tar pits (along with samples of Canis dirus). The asphalt was good for preserving bodies but destroyed the DNA, so these would be useless for analysis. I cannot find any DNA analysis undertaken of Pleistocene C.l. samples found elsewhere in North America, assuming they have been found elsewhere. Does anybody know if this has ever been undertaken, please? (Basically, I am trying to ascertain which haplogroup these may have belonged to, if any. It would then have an impact on the G.W. article.) Regards, William Harris • talk • 09:50, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I would suggest new material on the gray wolf. I would like to add that wolves benefit an ecosystem.
Wolves Can Benefit Ecosystems
Wolves in Yellowstone were reintroduced to their natural environment. The wolves benefit other species in Yellowstone and making the habitat more diverse ( http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/National-Wildlife/Animals/Archives/2003/A-Top-Dog-Takes-Over.aspx). Wolves hunt the elk and deer which helps the aspens trees grow ( http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/National-Wildlife/Animals/Archives/2003/A-Top-Dog-Takes-Over.aspx). Scientists found a “hidden connection” about the songbirds ( http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/National-Wildlife/Animals/Archives/2003/A-Top-Dog-Takes-Over.aspx). The songbirds were around trees where elk decreased in the area ( http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/National-Wildlife/Animals/Archives/2003/A-Top-Dog-Takes-Over.aspx). In ecological terms, the wolves are serving as a keystone species for other wildlife in Yellowstone.
WMcDo111 ( talk) 04:21, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I think major cutbacks on the evolution section are needed, as well as in other places. It's seems way too bloated and convoluted for my liking. This page is at 200kb too, so why does this page need expansion when it should be greatly reduced? Not too long ago it was 160kb. The "New World gray wolf subspecies" subsection is a good example on what I mean, how is 70% of the content in the third paragraph necessary? Simplify it, not write a giant novel. Burklemore1 ( talk) 23:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
If this article continues to seem "too long" even after it no longer seems "too convoluted", one thing we normally do is to spin off sub-articles like Wolf attack or Wolf hunting and just leave a brief summary and link behind. Chrisrus ( talk) 06:29, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Given that there has been a day elapsed since initiation of discussion, and given that there has been 51 watchers of our musings, I should probably get back to Burklemore's points and propose something for others to consider - or at least for them not be too alarmed once we agree to some editing.
The trouble with the quick and dirty fixes is that while solving the problem for us, they just pass the problem on to someone else. A solution with a bit more work, but more responsible, would be:
The following sections content largely moved back under their associated Main article pages, with only 1-2 short paragraphs and the link:
The section titled "Relationships with humans", the following sub-sections content largely moved back under their associated Main article pages, with only one sentence and the link:
Then consider whether the section titled "Relationships with humans" should then be WP:SPINOFF
The section titled "New World gray wolf subspecies", paragraph 3 being singled out, plus paragraph 4: para 3 to be seriously pruned, in that citations 5, 56, 57, are all publicly available so they do not require the level of elaboration that currently exists and interested readers can go to the cited works. Citation 59 is not and warrants elaboration, but perhaps reduced in verbiage. They should then be relocated under the existing article “Subspecies of Canis lupus#Disputed subspecies and species”. Consider whether "Disputed subspecies and species" should be WP:SPINOFF into its own article.
For your consideration. (Let the growling begin!!) Regards, William Harris • WikiProject Dogs • talk • 09:41, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
SUMMARY OF COMMENTS:
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Burklemore1 | Major cutback in Evolution and elsewhere, bloated. Article convoluted. Support Funkmonk if Wolf spinoff article. Support for Oknazevad position. |
FunkMonk | Canis lupus remains a redirect to Gray wolf. Wolf redirect could be used for wider meaning article. |
Chrisrus | Search on Wolves and Canis lupus should end on Gray wolf. Canis lupus to Cl disimbag - then choose? |
DrChrissy | Lead does not cover the expanse of the topic. Main article sections reduced by 50%. |
Oknazevad | Subspecies belongs to Taxonomy, not Evolution, and keep them close together. Haplotypes and such reduced, keep it general encyclopedic. |
William Harris | As listed under the section "To Work" |
KEY DECISIONS:
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Issue A | Use of Canis lupus: either redirects to Gray wolf or redirects to Canis lupus disimbag? (Need to keep in mind the other page titled "Subspecies of Canis lupus", and not "Subspecies of Gray wolf") |
Proposal A | Leave as it is for now, revisit post Larson report, may require a C.l. Disimbag page depending on the findings. Same for any further discussion on the appropriateness of a separate Wolf page |
Issue B | "Sub-species", "Relationship to the dog", and "Hybridization with other Canis" should be made their own full headings. "Sub-species" should fall under "Taxonomy"? |
Proposal B | "Relationship to the dog", and "Hybridization with other Canis" should be made their own full headings. "Sub-species" to fall under "Taxonomy", with a merge to the main topic page "Subspecies of Canis lupus" and link provided. |
PROPOSED CONTRIBUTIONS: (Depending on time constraints, availability and interests)
All editing changes to bear the description: Refer Talk:Gray wolf#To work
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FunkMonk | Review the scope of this article. What should be included, what is missing and should be included, what should its structure look like? |
Chrisrus | Review the Hatnotes, key redirects and disimbags - are they appropriate and doing what they are supposed to be doing? Once the material has been relocated, decide if the separate article "Subspecies of Canis lupus#Disputed subspecies: the Disputed subspecies be spun off as its own article. |
DrChrissy | Once structure is confirmed, review lead paragraphs (i.e. that appear before TOC) for relevance based on the material then in the article. |
Oknazevad | Once material reduced, decide if "Relationship with humans" is to be spun off. If so, do we keep "Livestock" as a part of the Gray wolf article, perhaps within "Range and Conservation", as it may be a limiting factor on GWs range and conservation. |
Burklemore1 | Under the section titled "Relationships with humans", the following sub-sections content largely moved back under their related Main article pages, with only the lead paragraph from that article page reflected back on the Gray wolf page with the link: In mythology and folklore to Main article - Wolves in folklore, religion and mythology; in heraldry and symbolism to Main article -Wolves in heraldry; Attacks on humans to Main article - Wolf attacks on humans; Hunting to Main articles - Wolf hunting and Wolf hunting with dogs; Section titled Uses appears to be based on Quarry section of the Wolf hunting article?; As pets and working animals to Main article - Wolves as pets and working animals. (If its some editing action on the Gray wolf page you sought, then "Beware of what ye seek, lest thee may find it" !!) |
Editor abcdef | Check the "External Links" section for broken links and appropriateness. (You know that you want a piece of this action!) |
William Harris | Deal with species/subspecies with link under Taxonomy. Origin section - reduce/remove to more general encyclopedic. Reduce to 1-2 paragraphs with links: Relationship to the dog to Main article - Origin of the domestic dog; Hybridization with other Canis to Main article - Canid hybrid. |
For your consideration. Regards, William Harris • talk • 07:56, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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"The gray wolf (Canis lupus[a]) is the name of a species of canid whose nominate[3] subspecies is the Eurasian Wolf (Canis lupus lupus),[4] also known as a the common wolf" should be changed to "The gray wolf (Canis lupus[a]) is the name of a species of canid whose nominate[3] subspecies is the Eurasian Wolf (Canis lupus lupus),[4] also known as the common wolf."
the grey wolf is also in southern oregon http://dfw.state.or.us/Wolves/population.asp
I checked the IUCN Redlist and the Canis lupus was indeed under Least Concern. However I think there should be brief mention at a regional level such as in North America and Europe that the Canis lupus is at endangered or threatened level.
Under U.S Fish and Wildlife https://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile.action?spcode=A00D It is stated that Canis lupis as endangered, however due to population recovery, it has been proposed to be delisted.
This may help readers understand that although the listing is of "Least Concern" there are regions that the Canis lupis is at higher risk level such as endangered or threatened.
Thank You I hope this helps.
I find it weird that a totally legendary being such as the " chupacabra" is seriously mentioned in this article, even if described as "putative". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14D:5CE2:0:400A:43B5:E8B7:4F27 ( talk) 21:17, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm working on an article for the she-wolf of Roman mythology. I propose changing the redirect from here to the disambiguation page. That would tidy up the hatnotes and seems to make more sense. I'm not sure how many users are looking for this page when they search for "she-wolf". Comments? Informata ob Iniquitatum ( talk) 12:14, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Bozkurt or gökbörü (in asian) means "gray wolf" and it is very important for Turkic history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.191.155.139 ( talk) 11:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
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If you had followed the link that was provided then you would have been able to answer your own question. The editor did not articulate well what they were suggesting, however if you follow the link to Canine reproduction you will find that article is specifically about reproduction in domestic dogs and not wolves, and also contains the pix of the two wolves mating in it. I assume the editor is indicating that the pix of the wolves should be removed from the Canine reproduction article, and the link to that article should be removed from gray wolf. A valid point, I would have thought. Regards, William Harris • (talk) • 12:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Given my recent edits with two references in the article regarding the range of the gray wolf to be across mainland China, the natural range of the gray wolf in the taxobox will require amendment to include southern China. William Harris • (talk) • 19:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
My recent edit on Gray wolf is intriguing. Reader ensured that all species in MSW3 were given a common name, and so all of the subspecies of C.l. were designated the common name "wolf". Reader also wrote on page xxxii of MSW3 that "there are no rules regarding vernacular names". This implies that where Wozencraft wrote "dingo [domestic dog]" and "familiaris [domestic dog]", he was implying that both fall under the vernacular domestic dog [clade] as they were both domesticated variants - but did not specifically spell that out. This then implies that all of the other subspecies fall under another vernacular name - grey wolf we assume - but MSW3 did not say so. Therefore, we would be correct in assuming that the article Gray wolf is specifically about the non-domesticated subspecies. I have formed the opinion that Gray wolf is NOT about Canis lupus, it is about the wild subspecies of Canis lupus and the article should focus just on that. Articles on the dog and the dingo exist elsewhere. Regards, William Harris • (talk) • 03:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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The wolf on the image has a characteristic of Canis lupus italicus: the dark line on the front legs [1] compare [2]]. Gray wolf is a synonym for Eurasian wolf Canis lupus lupus [3]. Sciencia58 ( talk) 10:35, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
www.dbb-wolf.de is the very recent official German Government site. In 2016 the size of the German wolf population was 61 pack. Growth is approx 30% per year for the last 10 years. Latest numbers for the French wolf population (57 zones of presence) can be found in http://www.oncfs.gouv.fr/Bulletin-dinformation-du-reseau-Loup-download130, Swiss wolf population is documented in kora.ch (3 packs). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.209.79.2 ( talk) 14:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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It has been proven that wolves can be deterred from hunting livestock by playing recordings of other wolf packs. The wolves will think it's another pack's territory and stay away. This has been tested with positive results. Wolfgirl81 ( talk) 18:48, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
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I don't see anything about the lifespan of a wolf? can that be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.7.244 ( talk) 12:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
The map provided for the current and extirpated wolf range is slightly off. The current range should include the northeast of Minnesota, upper Wisconsin and the UP of Michigan. I just noticed because I'm from Minnesota :). I don't know how to edit images in Wikipedia so if anyone could update that, it would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JorikThePooh ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Maybe this applies to the entire section Range and Conservation but i note it when reading Range/North America/modern range. The second paragraph (on Canada, "Canada is home to ...") contains disconnected points on hunting without any attempt to explain connection to range change. This is unsubstantiated data if meant to inform on range. Range data should be both more clearly separated from conservation and more directly tied to _demonstrable_ changes in range. Merely saying people can hunt in certain jurisdictions is a biased attempt to imply that current hunting and government programs have led to the current range, implied as diminished. Where historical associations are shown fine, but that paragraph makes no attempt to demonstrate cause and effect. Thanks. Eco ant ( talk) 01:29, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
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Please include the following new "physiology" section near the preexisting "anatomy" section:
Generally, wolves have a high heart weight of 0.93%-1.07% total body mass compared to the average mammal at 0.59% total body mass (Constable et al 1998). Wolves have a decreased heart rate, increased QRS duration, QT interval, and Q, R, and S voltage suggesting cardiac enlargement and hypertrophy. The Tibetan gray wolf, who occupies territories up to 3,000 above sea level, has evolved a heart that withstands the low oxygen levels (Zhang et al 2014). Specifically, these wolves have a strong selection for RYR2, a gene that initiates cardiac excitation. Human presence appears to stress wolves, as seen by increased cortisol levels, in instances such as snowmobiling (Creel, Fox, Hardy, Sands, Garrott, & Peterson 2002) and zoos (Pifarré, Valdez, González-Rebeles, Vázquez, Romano, & Galindo 2012). However, captive-born wolves might experience less stress over their first two years at the zoo (Escobar-Ibarra et al. 2017). Like wild wolves, captive wolves experience higher cortisol levels during the reproductive season as well as among higher ranking and elder wolves (Escobar-Ibarra et al. 2017). The greatest increase in cortisol is caused by husbandry procedures, increasing it from its basal level of 24.0-48.4 ng/g to 1000% higher within 48 hours (Molnar et al. 2015) which declines after two days (Escobar-Ibarra et al. 2017). The larger the pack in free-ranging populations, the lower the cortisol levels, which raise significantly when a pack member dies (Molnar et al. 2015). Hematological values for wolves are typically as follows: total CO2 (mEq/L) 20.2 +/- 3.3, Sodium (mEq/L) 147.3 +/- 2.0, Potassium (mEq/L) 4.9 +/- .3, Chloride (mEq/L) 111.0 +/- 2.3, Calcium (mg/dl) 9.4 +/- .7, Phosphorus (mg/dl) 3.6 +/- 1.3, Glucose (mg/dl) 92 +/- 50, Creatinine (mg/dl) 1.01 +/- .10, BUN (mg/dl) 46.2 +/- 23.5, BUN/creatinine ratio (mg/dl) 47.5 +/- 22.2, Bilirubin (mg/dl) .24 +/- .10, Cholesterol (mg/dl) 168 +/- 33, ALP (U/L) 75 +/- 87, CIALP (U/L) 17 +/- 36, ALT (U/L) 109 +/- 50, AST (U/L) 123 +/- 103, CK (U/L) 364 +/- 189, Total protein (g/dl) 5.99 +/- .43, Albumin (g/dl) 4.00 +/- .33, Total T4 (nM/L) 15.4 +/- 7.6, Total T3 (nM/L) 1.10 +/- .30, Free T4 (pM/L) 11.5 +/- 8.3, Free T3 (pM/L) 4.6 +/- 2.0, TSH (mU/L) 21.4 +/- 10.6 (Constable et al 1998). Free-ranging wolves have lower sodium, chloride, and creatinine concentrations as well as higher potassium and blood urea nitrogen (BUN). BUN to creatinine ratios, alanine aminotransferase, aspartate aminotransferase, and creatine kinase activities are also higher in free-ranging wolves. These factors might be related to a recent meal or intense exercise (Finco & Duncan 1976; McKeever, Schurg, Convertino 1985). It appears only dominant male and female wolves urine mark, and this is positively correlated with testosterone levels (Asa, Mech, Seal, & Plotka 1990). This tends to increase during breeding seasons, fall and winter. In males, progestin and estradiol tend to be higher during the non-reproductive season (Barja, Silván, Rosellini, Piñeiro, Illera, & Illera 2008). In females, these two hormones increase along with testosterone during the reproductive season. In captivity, anestrous wolves have progesterone values between 1–2 ng/ml, estradiol-17β concentrations between 5–20 pg/ml, and LH values between 0.1–2 ng/ml (Seal, Plotka, Packard, & Mech 1979). Estradiol-17β varies between 10–20 pg/ml during proestrus, peaks at 30–70 pg/ml late in proestrus, and fluctuates between 10–30 pg/ml during pregnancy or the duration of luteal activity in nonpregnant wolves. The preovulatory LH rise, 5–15 ng/ml, occurs simultaneously and following the peak estradiol-17β values. Progesterone peaks 11–14 days later at 22–40 ng/ml.
References
Asa, C. S., Mech, L., Seal, U. S., & Plotka, E. D. (1990). The influence of social and endocrine factors on urine-marking by captive wolves (Canis lupus). Hormones and Behavior, 24(4), 497-509. doi:10.1016/0018-506x(90)90038-y
Barja, I., Silván, G., Rosellini, S., Piñeiro, A., Illera, M., & Illera, J. (2008). Quantification of sexual steroid hormones in faeces of Iberian wolf (Canis lupus signatus): A non-invasive sex typing method. Reproduction in Domestic Animals, 43(6), 701-707. doi:10.1111/j.1439-0531.2007.00974.x
Constable, P., Hinchcliff, K., Demma, N., Callahan, M., Dale, B., Fox, K., . . . Kramer, L. (1998). Electrocardiographic consequences of a peripatetic lifestyle in gray wolves (Canis lupus). Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology Part A: Molecular & Integrative Physiology, 120(3), 557-563. doi:10.1016/s1095-6433(98)10066-1
Constable, P., Hinchcliff, K., Demma, N., Callahan, M., Dale, B., Fox, K., . . . Kramer, L. (1998). Serum biochemistry of captive and free-ranging gray wolves (Canis lupus). Journal of Zoo and Wildlife Medicine, 29(4), 435-440.
Creel, S., Fox, J. E., Hardy, A., Sands, J., Garrott, B., & Peterson, R. O. (2002). Snowmobile activity and glucocorticoid stress responses in wolves and elk. Conservation Biology,16(3), 809-814. doi:10.1046/j.1523-1739.2002.00554.x
Escobar-Ibarra, I., Mayagoitia-Novales, L., Alcántara-Barrera, A., Cerda-Molina, A. L., Mondragón-Ceballos, R., Ramírez-Necoechea, R., & Alonso-Spilsbury, M. (2017). Long-term quantification of faecal glucocorticoid metabolite concentrations reveals that Mexican grey wolves may habituate to captivity. The European Zoological Journal, 84(1), 311-320. doi:10.1080/24750263.2017.1332111
Finco, D., & Duncan, J. (1976). Evaluation of blood urea nitrogen and serum creatinine concentrations as indicators of renal dysfunction: a study of 111 cases and a review of related literature. Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, 168(7), 593-601.
McKeever, K. H., Schurg, W. A., & Convertino, V. A. (1985). Exercise training-induced hypervolemia in greyhounds: role of water intake and renal mechanisms. American Journal of Physiology-Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology, 248(4). doi:10.1152/ajpregu.1985.248.4.r422
Molnar, B., Fattebert, J., Palme, R., Ciucci, P., Betschart, B., Smith, D. W., & Diehl, P. (2015). Environmental and intrinsic correlates of stress in free-ranging wolves. Plos One, 10(9). doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0137378
Pifarré, M., Valdez, R., González-Rebeles, C., Vázquez, C., Romano, M., & Galindo, F. (2012). The effect of zoo visitors on the behaviour and faecal cortisol of the Mexican wolf (Canis lupus baileyi). Applied Animal Behaviour Science, 136(1), 57-62. doi:10.1016/j.applanim.2011.11.015
Zhang, W., Fan, Z., Han, E., Hou, R., Zhang, L., Galaverni, M., . . . Zhang, Z. (2014). Hypoxia adaptations in the Grey wolf (Canis lupus chanco) from Qinghai-Tibet Plateau. PLoS Genetics, 10(7). doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.1004466
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Understood; how about the following for a new "physiology" section? :
Generally, wolves have a high heart weight of 0.93%-1.07% total body mass compared to the average mammal at 0.59% total body mass (Constable et al 1998). Wolves have a decreased heart rate suggesting cardiac enlargement and hypertrophy. The Tibetan gray wolf, who occupies territories up to 3,000 above sea level, has evolved a heart that withstands the low oxygen levels (Zhang et al 2014). Specifically, these wolves have a strong selection for RYR2, a gene that initiates cardiac excitation. Human presence appears to stress wolves, as seen by increased cortisol levels in instances such as snowmobiling near their territory (Creel, Fox, Hardy, Sands, Garrott, & Peterson 2002). Wolves experience higher cortisol levels during the reproductive season as well as among higher ranking and elder wolves (Escobar-Ibarra et al. 2017). The larger the pack, the lower the cortisol levels, which raise significantly when a pack member dies (Molnar et al. 2015). It appears only dominant male and female wolves urine mark, and this is positively correlated with testosterone levels (Asa, Mech, Seal, & Plotka 1990). This tends to increase during breeding seasons, fall and winter. In males, progestin and estradiol tend to be higher during the non-reproductive season (Barja, Silván, Rosellini, Piñeiro, Illera, & Illera 2008). In females, these two hormones increase along with testosterone during the reproductive season.
References
Asa, C. S., Mech, L., Seal, U. S., & Plotka, E. D. (1990). The influence of social and endocrine factors on urine-marking by captive wolves (Canis lupus). Hormones and Behavior, 24(4), 497-509. doi:10.1016/0018-506x(90)90038-y
Barja, I., Silván, G., Rosellini, S., Piñeiro, A., Illera, M., & Illera, J. (2008). Quantification of sexual steroid hormones in faeces of Iberian wolf (Canis lupus signatus): A non-invasive sex typing method. Reproduction in Domestic Animals, 43(6), 701-707. doi:10.1111/j.1439-0531.2007.00974.x
Constable, P., Hinchcliff, K., Demma, N., Callahan, M., Dale, B., Fox, K., . . . Kramer, L. (1998). Electrocardiographic consequences of a peripatetic lifestyle in gray wolves (Canis lupus). Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology Part A: Molecular & Integrative Physiology, 120(3), 557-563. doi:10.1016/s1095-6433(98)10066-1
Creel, S., Fox, J. E., Hardy, A., Sands, J., Garrott, B., & Peterson, R. O. (2002). Snowmobile activity and glucocorticoid stress responses in wolves and elk. Conservation Biology,16(3), 809-814. doi:10.1046/j.1523-1739.2002.00554.x
Escobar-Ibarra, I., Mayagoitia-Novales, L., Alcántara-Barrera, A., Cerda-Molina, A. L., Mondragón-Ceballos, R., Ramírez-Necoechea, R., & Alonso-Spilsbury, M. (2017). Long-term quantification of faecal glucocorticoid metabolite concentrations reveals that Mexican grey wolves may habituate to captivity. The European Zoological Journal, 84(1), 311-320. doi:10.1080/24750263.2017.1332111
Molnar, B., Fattebert, J., Palme, R., Ciucci, P., Betschart, B., Smith, D. W., & Diehl, P. (2015). Environmental and intrinsic correlates of stress in free-ranging wolves. Plos One, 10(9). doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0137378
Zhang, W., Fan, Z., Han, E., Hou, R., Zhang, L., Galaverni, M., . . . Zhang, Z. (2014). Hypoxia adaptations in the Grey wolf (Canis lupus chanco) from Qinghai-Tibet Plateau. PLoS Genetics, 10(7). doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.1004466
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The artie says that grey wolves are the largest species in the canis family. However, I believe this is incorrect considering very large dogs such as the Great Dane. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.157.37 ( talk) 20:03, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus is that this particular wolf, including its subspecies, is the one people are most likely looking for when they search for wolf. Some rescoping to include further details on subspecies, per RedSlash's suggestion may be in order, but the article already covers this in places so it's not a major change. — Amakuru ( talk) 14:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Gray wolf →
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Gray wolf should be moved to
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It is unfortunate that the views of 3 long-serving Gray wolf contributors were overlooked with this WP:MOVE decision. It would appear that this article now reflects what "most people are looking for", and that WP:PRECISION was ignored. What most people are looking for is the modern (Holocene) grey wolf Canis lupus. The scene is now set for the creation of the article about the extinct Pleistocene grey wolf Canis lupus, which is not the modern grey wolf. Things are about to become unclear. William Harris • (talk) • 00:34, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Wolves, including medium-to-giant dogs, have killed humans as food. This is rare and out of character. It has happened, and it is documented. The essence of man-eating is two elements: first, a killing of a person, and second, significant consumption of the person's flesh as meat. This rules out scavenging (which a domestic cat could do, but a domestic cat is highly unlikely to kill a human), but it does not rule out a defense of territory that becomes lethal.
This said, wolves are much less likely to kill humans for food than bears or Big Cats. With a dog, the chance is so slight (and it usually involves human misconduct) that the hazards of dogs and wolves are far less than those of encounters with large herbivores. Even a horse, probably the best-behaved of giant herbivores, is more lethal than a dog.
There is no question of ability. Dogs and wolves have the power, speed, agility, strength, cunning, voracity, keen senses, and sharp claws and teeth characteristic of such animals as bears and Big Cats that make those animals lethal. They are simply better behaved. Pbrower2a ( talk) 17:39, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
There are plenty of stories in Wikipedia on "Wolf of..." There is no question that wolves and dogs are potential man-eaters by ability. I am fully aware that there is no documented case of a healthy wolf making an unprovoked attack upon a human being in North America. But that's not to say that all wolves are healthy, and I would certainly never provoke a wolf.
It is possible that those medieval accounts reflect a time in which wolves were more aggressive, perhaps because humans were less likely to be in large groups and did not yet have the sorts of weapons (firearms) that made humans too dangerous as prey.
Now -- were the accounts reliable? Maybe they weren't all reliable. Death was commonplace, and anyone who died unseen was going to be scavenged. Blaming the wolf was easy.
Almost all accounts of wolves eating human flesh in modern times involve scavenging, which does not fit the category of 'man-eating'. But in pre-modern times? The dense forests of medieval Europe were places from which children never returned, and wolves were the presumed culprits. Feral dogs could also be the killers -- but wolves and dogs are the same species, anyway. Pbrower2a ( talk) 04:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Fictional accounts, and especially fairy tales, are never reliable sources on animal behavior, according to Wikipedia. Thus Peter Benchley's Jaws is not a valid source for putting the Great White Shark on the list of man-eating species. (Those sharks do not hunt humans, as human flesh is too low in fat to satisfy them).
This said, children who got lost in the woods often never got home. They usually died of thirst or exposure and of course were scavaged. A wolf doing exactly what a scavenger would be expected to do, often got undue blame, unlike a vulture. But there are medieval accounts of wolves taking children. Were the children alive or already dead? Child mortality was extremely high in the Middle Ages. Pbrower2a ( talk) 18:21, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Scavenging does not count as man-eating, or we would have to include such animals as domestic cats as man-eaters. An incident that can be explained as scavenging is thus not man-eating, even if by one of the most fearsome of predators. Are reports by semi-literate or illiterate people of the Middle Ages reliable sources even if someone writes them down in sincere belief? Of course not -- as we would need to accept as reality accounts of witchcraft that science now debunks and the validity of convictions for the 'crime' of witchcraft. So perhaps the stories of "Wolf of..." that identify wolves as man-eaters in medieval times are not valid. Pbrower2a ( talk) 14:47, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
wolf paw can be as big as a male human hand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.52.12.21 ( talk) 20:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
The article mentions wolf howls being heard to an area of even 130 km square kilometers. That would mean to an average radius of just little over ten kilometers or some seven miles. And that sounds a bit silly, because in good conditions, for example in the mountains, voice can carry really far. Ten kilometers would be maybe like closer to average hearing distance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:14BB:81:A198:8809:E6CA:8B17:A937 ( talk) 21:05, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
One could counter my arguments by claiming that as the energy carried is proportional to distance the average are must be about the same every time. However the energy spread is proportional to the VOLUME created by the radius r from the howling spot. Thus one can understand that in some situation more of the energy carried by the sound waves spreads to greater AREA, when the situations are so that not so much of it spreads to up the space and not on the surface of earth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:14BB:81:A198:90F3:29FA:DECB:7C43 ( talk) 19:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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Change map of wolf range to include northern Michigan, northern, Wisconsin, and northeast Minnesota in "Present" range. 165.189.65.63 ( talk) 21:23, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
The map of wolf distribution in Greece is very off. Wolves in Greece live in Thrace, some parts of Macedonia, Epirus, very western Thessaly, Aetoloakarnania, Phocis and Boeotia (in the reservation site of Parnassus). My village is there and wolf attacks have been a common thing, especially this past few years. Please, fix the map. The previous one was more accurate. User: Kuniskos 14 December 2018
Hi, I haven't been able to find a page dedicated to requesting size charts for extant mammalia (comparable to the paleobiology one), so I thought I'd try it here.
Would it be possible to make a size chart of the grey wolf, golden jackal and red fox using these three images as templates? Wolf, Jackal and Fox. Something similar to THIS maybe?
Obviously, the image will be very eurocentric, but I may get around to projecting one for North America and Africa.
Anyway, the shoulder heights are:
Grey wolf = 85 cm
Golden jackal = 50 cm
Red fox = 50 cm
Sorry in advance if this is the wrong place to ask, but I did try to find a more appropriate venue Mariomassone ( talk) 16:13, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Alright, so I have returned after bringing evidence that the distribution of wolves in Greece is wrong. The map merely shows them in a part of Macedonia, when in fact, most wolves in Greece live in the midlands, on the mountains of the Pindos mountain range and have never gone extinct from those mountains. I will provide a research on the wolf distribution in Greece conducted by the EU.
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Befor, on the wikipedia page of "Gray Wolf" The Shoulder height was at 80-90 cm. please change it back 2A02:2F0B:A2FF:FFFF:0:0:6468:D135 ( talk) 20:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Since wolves as a species didn't actually become extinct but were killed/relocated in specific regions, the usage of "extinct" throughout the article is misleading. I've tried to think about how it might be rewritten to reflect this, but I'm stuck whn it comes to actually doing so. Clovermoss ( talk) 23:00, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
My 2¢: we should use the correct term, which is extirpated. Yes, it's a less common term than "extinct", but it's not ambiguous or possibly incorrect in meaning and with a link it's easily explained for the unfamiliar. It's just clearer to use. oknazevad ( talk) 22:00, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
Anyone else think this section would benefit from a pair of maps indicating the distribution of Eurasian haplogroups and North American ecotypes? Mariomassone ( talk) 14:11, 23 April 2019 (UTC)