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Does that mean anyone can use it? 139.138.6.121 ( talk) 12:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Uchiha Itachi 25: Both Kotaku and Polygon are reliable secondary sources for this industry. Highlighting that the coverage ranged from industry news (ie. Kotaku & Polygon) to national news (ie. NYT) shows how widespread the reporting was. This wasn't just an event on social media. Additionally, the Kotaku article is correct in terms of the order of events and links to the primary source you added, and quotes part of the primary source:
With the events surrounding the murder of George Floyd by police, video game companies have made statements in support of their Black fans, employees, and communities. Wizards has made a similar statement, but Black and Brown members of the community have criticized the action calling it "an act of gross tokenism" while highlighting instances of racism in Magic’s cards. Notably, the card Invoke Prejudice features art that’s extremely similar to depictions of the KKK while its ID number in the Gatherer database, 1488, is associated with white supremacy groups. [1]
That primary source is a google doc (third link in the Kotaku quote) which is self-published source. It should probably be replaced with a secondary source that actually states the name of the writer of the open letter. I removed your analysis about card mechanics because of WP:SYNTH; also the actual mechanics of the card don't really matter because the name of the card, the art and the perception of what the card implied (ie. targets creatures that look different) are what led to it's removal. Additionally, that card specifically was linked to some white supremist numbers which has nothing to do with the mechanics of the card. Sariel Xilo ( talk) 02:28, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
In January 2021, the Los Angeles Times reported that, according to Liz Schuh, head of publishing and licensing for Dungeons & Dragons, ...when we can just add one word to a previous sentence. A paragraph about the racism issues seems about due and it still covers half the section. Aircorn (talk) 17:37, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
There is a lot of chatter about the new version of the Open Game Licence somehow deauthorising the original version of the OGL (OGL 1.0a). Supposedly, everyone using the SRD or derivative works (maybe even Pathfinder) will be expected to pay WotC money, if they earn more than $75,000 USD per year.
The article probably needs a section on this, but there are a bunch of shouty people, so finding good neutral point of view ways to present this, might be tricky. Big Mac ( talk) 00:24, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
I think that a section regarding controversies/business difficulties is merited. This would include discussion of the MTG 30th anniversary controversy/over-printing controversy, the DnD OGL 1.1 controversies, and the slashing of video game projects 2600:1008:B03F:22A1:0:34:3D88:DC01 ( talk) 20:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
The Pinkerton thing- the first cite is just what the Youtuber claimed. His story is doubtful about those threats. Wulfy95113 ( talk) 20:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC) I edited the article to show that is simply his claim. Wulfy95113 ( talk) 21:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
The OGL portion of this article on a thirty-year-old company is now 20% of the article. It needs to be reduced. Wikipedia is not a place for airing grievances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.83.72.100 ( talk) 21:21, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
After taking another pass at the history section, I've dropped a request at the Guild of Copy Editors. Not sure if it needs structural changes (such as spinning out some of the history section into something like "Media attention and fan responses") or just tight editing. Sariel Xilo ( talk) 00:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks @ AstralAlley for taking a look! Sariel Xilo ( talk) 00:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Baffle gab1978 finished the copy edit and posted this guidance on my talk page:
I've moved a little text to the article's talk page because it isn't directly relevant there. I'd earlier removed another short passage but found that text is directly relevant so I've note that on the talk. Regarding shortening the history section, I think the content there is relevant to the company, though separating business dealings from publications might be possible; if the section becomes too large, you might consider summarizing and splitting it off to its own article. Also, the lede could be expanded to more-fully summarize the article's content. These suggestions, however, are beyond the scope of the copy-editor. Good luck with the article and cheers
— Baffle☿gab 04:22, 10 March 2024
This might be a good starting point for anyone looking to continue article improvements. Sariel Xilo ( talk) 16:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
hello! i have very very little knowledge in this subject (i listen to 5e podcasts, thats about it), however i know the copyediting issue has been on this topic for a while. i really dont wanna remove large sentences or segments without consulting, but i wanted to bring up the fact of seeing if there are sentences that feel unnecessary to mention in the 2020-present history section {ie: talking about the spendings of fans in paragraph 3}. feel free to leave me suggestions, and ill work on them throughout the weekend and the next few weeks when i'm not busy with my education >:3 -Astral ~(he/him/his) 00:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
CC-BY-SA declaration: text in this section has been copied from the article here (permalink) by me, Baffle☿gab. I've removed it because it is either off-topic for this article, it's in the wrong location, or for some other reason. I've left it here in case its removal breaks any named references and for the benefit of future editors. Some material may be reincorporated at a later stage. See the article's history for full attribution.
The Primal Order was a supplement designed for use with any game system, [1] but its release in 1992 brought legal trouble with Palladium Books for references to Palladium's game and system. [2] The suit was settled in 1993. [3]I returned this text to the article; it is relevant there. Baffle☿gab 04:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)According to Aaron Forsythe, the new set was intended to make the game easier for players of all levels to play. [4] Magic 2010 was the first core set since Beta to feature new cards and it was the first core set with planeswalkers. [5] [6]
References
- ^ Fannon, Sean Patrick (1999). The Fantasy Roleplaying Gamer's Bible (2nd ed.). Obsidian Studios. pp. 151, 154. ISBN 0-9674429-0-7.
- ^ Tynes, John (March 23, 2001). "Death to the Minotaur: Part 1". Salon. Archived from the original on August 23, 2006. Retrieved September 1, 2006.
- ^ Appelcline, Shannon (August 3, 2006). "Wizards of the Coast: 1990 – present". A Brief History of Game. RPGnet. Archived from the original on August 24, 2006. Retrieved September 1, 2006.
- ^ "Recapturing the Magic with Magic 2010 : Daily MTG : Magic: The Gathering". 2013-09-07. Archived from the original on September 7, 2013. Retrieved 2019-07-09.
- ^ Cite error: The named reference
:6
was invoked but never defined (see the help page).- ^ "A Brief History of Planeswalkers in Competitive Magic". PureMTGO. Archived from the original on July 9, 2019. Retrieved 2019-07-09.
Cheers, Baffle☿gab 01:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Does that mean anyone can use it? 139.138.6.121 ( talk) 12:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Uchiha Itachi 25: Both Kotaku and Polygon are reliable secondary sources for this industry. Highlighting that the coverage ranged from industry news (ie. Kotaku & Polygon) to national news (ie. NYT) shows how widespread the reporting was. This wasn't just an event on social media. Additionally, the Kotaku article is correct in terms of the order of events and links to the primary source you added, and quotes part of the primary source:
With the events surrounding the murder of George Floyd by police, video game companies have made statements in support of their Black fans, employees, and communities. Wizards has made a similar statement, but Black and Brown members of the community have criticized the action calling it "an act of gross tokenism" while highlighting instances of racism in Magic’s cards. Notably, the card Invoke Prejudice features art that’s extremely similar to depictions of the KKK while its ID number in the Gatherer database, 1488, is associated with white supremacy groups. [1]
That primary source is a google doc (third link in the Kotaku quote) which is self-published source. It should probably be replaced with a secondary source that actually states the name of the writer of the open letter. I removed your analysis about card mechanics because of WP:SYNTH; also the actual mechanics of the card don't really matter because the name of the card, the art and the perception of what the card implied (ie. targets creatures that look different) are what led to it's removal. Additionally, that card specifically was linked to some white supremist numbers which has nothing to do with the mechanics of the card. Sariel Xilo ( talk) 02:28, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
In January 2021, the Los Angeles Times reported that, according to Liz Schuh, head of publishing and licensing for Dungeons & Dragons, ...when we can just add one word to a previous sentence. A paragraph about the racism issues seems about due and it still covers half the section. Aircorn (talk) 17:37, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
There is a lot of chatter about the new version of the Open Game Licence somehow deauthorising the original version of the OGL (OGL 1.0a). Supposedly, everyone using the SRD or derivative works (maybe even Pathfinder) will be expected to pay WotC money, if they earn more than $75,000 USD per year.
The article probably needs a section on this, but there are a bunch of shouty people, so finding good neutral point of view ways to present this, might be tricky. Big Mac ( talk) 00:24, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
I think that a section regarding controversies/business difficulties is merited. This would include discussion of the MTG 30th anniversary controversy/over-printing controversy, the DnD OGL 1.1 controversies, and the slashing of video game projects 2600:1008:B03F:22A1:0:34:3D88:DC01 ( talk) 20:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
The Pinkerton thing- the first cite is just what the Youtuber claimed. His story is doubtful about those threats. Wulfy95113 ( talk) 20:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC) I edited the article to show that is simply his claim. Wulfy95113 ( talk) 21:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
The OGL portion of this article on a thirty-year-old company is now 20% of the article. It needs to be reduced. Wikipedia is not a place for airing grievances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.83.72.100 ( talk) 21:21, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
After taking another pass at the history section, I've dropped a request at the Guild of Copy Editors. Not sure if it needs structural changes (such as spinning out some of the history section into something like "Media attention and fan responses") or just tight editing. Sariel Xilo ( talk) 00:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanks @ AstralAlley for taking a look! Sariel Xilo ( talk) 00:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Baffle gab1978 finished the copy edit and posted this guidance on my talk page:
I've moved a little text to the article's talk page because it isn't directly relevant there. I'd earlier removed another short passage but found that text is directly relevant so I've note that on the talk. Regarding shortening the history section, I think the content there is relevant to the company, though separating business dealings from publications might be possible; if the section becomes too large, you might consider summarizing and splitting it off to its own article. Also, the lede could be expanded to more-fully summarize the article's content. These suggestions, however, are beyond the scope of the copy-editor. Good luck with the article and cheers
— Baffle☿gab 04:22, 10 March 2024
This might be a good starting point for anyone looking to continue article improvements. Sariel Xilo ( talk) 16:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
hello! i have very very little knowledge in this subject (i listen to 5e podcasts, thats about it), however i know the copyediting issue has been on this topic for a while. i really dont wanna remove large sentences or segments without consulting, but i wanted to bring up the fact of seeing if there are sentences that feel unnecessary to mention in the 2020-present history section {ie: talking about the spendings of fans in paragraph 3}. feel free to leave me suggestions, and ill work on them throughout the weekend and the next few weeks when i'm not busy with my education >:3 -Astral ~(he/him/his) 00:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
CC-BY-SA declaration: text in this section has been copied from the article here (permalink) by me, Baffle☿gab. I've removed it because it is either off-topic for this article, it's in the wrong location, or for some other reason. I've left it here in case its removal breaks any named references and for the benefit of future editors. Some material may be reincorporated at a later stage. See the article's history for full attribution.
The Primal Order was a supplement designed for use with any game system, [1] but its release in 1992 brought legal trouble with Palladium Books for references to Palladium's game and system. [2] The suit was settled in 1993. [3]I returned this text to the article; it is relevant there. Baffle☿gab 04:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)According to Aaron Forsythe, the new set was intended to make the game easier for players of all levels to play. [4] Magic 2010 was the first core set since Beta to feature new cards and it was the first core set with planeswalkers. [5] [6]
References
- ^ Fannon, Sean Patrick (1999). The Fantasy Roleplaying Gamer's Bible (2nd ed.). Obsidian Studios. pp. 151, 154. ISBN 0-9674429-0-7.
- ^ Tynes, John (March 23, 2001). "Death to the Minotaur: Part 1". Salon. Archived from the original on August 23, 2006. Retrieved September 1, 2006.
- ^ Appelcline, Shannon (August 3, 2006). "Wizards of the Coast: 1990 – present". A Brief History of Game. RPGnet. Archived from the original on August 24, 2006. Retrieved September 1, 2006.
- ^ "Recapturing the Magic with Magic 2010 : Daily MTG : Magic: The Gathering". 2013-09-07. Archived from the original on September 7, 2013. Retrieved 2019-07-09.
- ^ Cite error: The named reference
:6
was invoked but never defined (see the help page).- ^ "A Brief History of Planeswalkers in Competitive Magic". PureMTGO. Archived from the original on July 9, 2019. Retrieved 2019-07-09.
Cheers, Baffle☿gab 01:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)