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This conversation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.133.104.95 ( talk) 21:35, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Today, I cleaned up the Coan article (surprisingly on DYK today) somewhat to add historical context and bring it up to wikipedia standards, especially adding wikilinks to the Ottoman breakup context. Months ago, I did something similar (or a mirror image) to the George White article and links within it. However, I don't have time to do the further editing needed on this or lots of other Armenian genocide related articles. Frankly, while this table format is useful, I think a first step might be to reorganize it, perhaps splitting it into several tables by nationality or work context. Thus, I would group Coan with other missionary witnesses like Grace Knapp, Tacy Atkinson, the Usshers, Earnest Yarrow, Ruth Parmalee, Mary Louise Graffham and George White, rather than interspersing diplomats and whistleblowing(?) Turks. Jweaver28 ( talk) 13:41, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Propongo que se incorpore a Bruno Eckart, cuyo pequeño libro Mis Vivencia en Urfa se publicó en alemán en 1919. B Eckart fue misionero, y su hermano, agente consular, fue acusado de aprovecharse de la situación de los deportados para enriquecerse. El libro sólo existe en alemán (no se re-editó) y en armenio; V dadrian lo cita en su libro Historia del Genocidio Armenio.
This is unacceptable. The Manual of Style specifically makes clear in its appropiate uses that:
The explanation is that the witnesses origins/ethnic origins are important for the article, for obvious reasons (the witnesses are from all around the world, and not one nation), as you should know. It would be a disservice (to the victims and their descendants all around the world) to remove this clearly important information from the article. -- 92slim ( talk) 23:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Example: List of Righteous Among the Nations by country - this is an article of a similar topic that can be taken as a reference. -- 92slim ( talk) 23:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Referring to the reasons that you have left in the history of the article for the removal of flags, I will explain them to you individually:
See first point: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Icons#Appropriate_use - Valid use: Repeated use of an icon in a table or infobox, so not valid to use for removing them
Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#Overlinking - unrelated to the topic, so not valid either
Wikipedia:Piped link - unrelated to the topic so the flags can be added back with no objections. -- 92slim ( talk) 15:34, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Nikkimaria ( talk · contribs) Why is the lengthy quote tag added? These quotes are not part of a prose article. An article with a table that is dedicated to testimonies and eye-witness accounts should at least have quotes specifying the testimony at hand. Étienne Dolet ( talk) 01:31, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
According to: Wikipedia:Quotations#Overusing_quotations
Overuse happens when:
a quotation is visually on the page, but its relevance is not explained anywhere:
a quotation is used without pertinence
Quotes are used to explain a point that can also be paraphrased. The quotes dominate the article
Neither is the case. -- 92slim ( talk) 06:45, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
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The newspaper "Mècheroutiette : constitutionnel ottoman. Organe du Parti Ottoman ...", published in Paris in early 20th c. is full of news about the Ottoman Empire of that period. I found this about persecutions of Armenians: "Des bandes de jeunes musulmans, soudoyes par le comite parcourent la nuit les quartiers armeniens de Constantinople, marquant en noir ou en rouge maisons, ecoles et eglises armeniennes, gravant sur les portes des paroles insultantes, des menaces de mort". Mècheroutiette, January 1914, p. 45
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This conversation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.133.104.95 ( talk) 21:35, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Today, I cleaned up the Coan article (surprisingly on DYK today) somewhat to add historical context and bring it up to wikipedia standards, especially adding wikilinks to the Ottoman breakup context. Months ago, I did something similar (or a mirror image) to the George White article and links within it. However, I don't have time to do the further editing needed on this or lots of other Armenian genocide related articles. Frankly, while this table format is useful, I think a first step might be to reorganize it, perhaps splitting it into several tables by nationality or work context. Thus, I would group Coan with other missionary witnesses like Grace Knapp, Tacy Atkinson, the Usshers, Earnest Yarrow, Ruth Parmalee, Mary Louise Graffham and George White, rather than interspersing diplomats and whistleblowing(?) Turks. Jweaver28 ( talk) 13:41, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Propongo que se incorpore a Bruno Eckart, cuyo pequeño libro Mis Vivencia en Urfa se publicó en alemán en 1919. B Eckart fue misionero, y su hermano, agente consular, fue acusado de aprovecharse de la situación de los deportados para enriquecerse. El libro sólo existe en alemán (no se re-editó) y en armenio; V dadrian lo cita en su libro Historia del Genocidio Armenio.
This is unacceptable. The Manual of Style specifically makes clear in its appropiate uses that:
The explanation is that the witnesses origins/ethnic origins are important for the article, for obvious reasons (the witnesses are from all around the world, and not one nation), as you should know. It would be a disservice (to the victims and their descendants all around the world) to remove this clearly important information from the article. -- 92slim ( talk) 23:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Example: List of Righteous Among the Nations by country - this is an article of a similar topic that can be taken as a reference. -- 92slim ( talk) 23:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Referring to the reasons that you have left in the history of the article for the removal of flags, I will explain them to you individually:
See first point: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Icons#Appropriate_use - Valid use: Repeated use of an icon in a table or infobox, so not valid to use for removing them
Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#Overlinking - unrelated to the topic, so not valid either
Wikipedia:Piped link - unrelated to the topic so the flags can be added back with no objections. -- 92slim ( talk) 15:34, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Nikkimaria ( talk · contribs) Why is the lengthy quote tag added? These quotes are not part of a prose article. An article with a table that is dedicated to testimonies and eye-witness accounts should at least have quotes specifying the testimony at hand. Étienne Dolet ( talk) 01:31, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
According to: Wikipedia:Quotations#Overusing_quotations
Overuse happens when:
a quotation is visually on the page, but its relevance is not explained anywhere:
a quotation is used without pertinence
Quotes are used to explain a point that can also be paraphrased. The quotes dominate the article
Neither is the case. -- 92slim ( talk) 06:45, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
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The newspaper "Mècheroutiette : constitutionnel ottoman. Organe du Parti Ottoman ...", published in Paris in early 20th c. is full of news about the Ottoman Empire of that period. I found this about persecutions of Armenians: "Des bandes de jeunes musulmans, soudoyes par le comite parcourent la nuit les quartiers armeniens de Constantinople, marquant en noir ou en rouge maisons, ecoles et eglises armeniennes, gravant sur les portes des paroles insultantes, des menaces de mort". Mècheroutiette, January 1914, p. 45
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