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Considerable debate has centred on how to classify the politics of Winston Peters...
He should be classified with Pim Fortuyn I think. Both populist charismatic nationalistic and with various idiosyncratic ideas, and better in opposition than in government (Fortuyn never got a chance to take part in government but his party was a complete shambles. Just like NZ First.)
Hello, Peters did lose this case. Although the court found that contracting out of the ability to stand for an electorate was not possible (which the National Party had tried to force Peters to do) he lost on attempting to gain an injucntion stopping the National Party from disapproving his nomination for Tauranga. The National Party never did disapprove Peters nomination but this was because Peter never put his nomination up, as the court refused to review the internal party process of deciding candidates beyond requiring adherance to the party rules because it was a private body. Peters was therefore unsuccessful in attempting to stop the decision to disapprove his nomination. See the case Italic textPeters v CollingeItalic text [1993] 2 NZLR 554 at page 575 and the discussion on judicial review of party process at page 566-571.
Will Peters be the first person to hold office in both a National and Labour ministry? If so this should be noted? Adam 12:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for that. How long will it be before Winston self-destructs again? Adam 00:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
it should be mentioned that he is the longest serving Maori politician and also the longest serving politician all together. Also, let's not forget that he was the first maori politician. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.79.209.50 ( talk) 08:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
When did Winston become a member of the Privy Council?
Ah, I see: it was part of that very special coalition deal. I knew he was deputy prime minister, but I never thought of him as a "senior politician" since he was merely the leader of a party with just 17/120 seats. On the other hand, New Zealand order of precedence has it that "In New Zealand, Privy Council appointees are former Prime Ministers, Deputy Prime Ministers, other cabinet ministers who were both senior and long-serving, Chief Justices and senior Court of Appeal justices."
The one thing I felt this article didn't cover was that a large number of Peter's supporters are the elderly. I remember going to a local NZ First rally with my grandfather (who still supports NZ First) and the whole room was old people. He appeals to traditional values and as such the majority of his supporters are the elderly, while very few younger people will support him. It's an important aspect to mention, though I don't have any reputable sources that I could cite if I added this statement. Perhaps an article from a newspaper or a book on Peters could be found that supports such a claim? Richard001 22:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
This section seems biased. For example, the heading, which could be 'The 2005 election' or 'Coalition with Labour' or something, seems intended purely to criticise him. Most of the text has the same tone. I realise hardly anyone under the age of 70 likes Winnie, and therefore Wikipedia users are unlikely to disagree with this, but this is an encyclopaedia and contributors should at least try to sound neutral. -- Helenalex 08:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Article states that the proposed sale of Auckland Airport led to the breakup of the coalition. However, I recall that it was Wellington Airport. I think this was in 1998. Can anyone confirm this? Canopus1968 ( talk) 00:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The incumbent minister of finance is actually Micheal Cullen. Can someone fix this? It says that Winston is at the moment. 125.238.177.86 ( talk) 06:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I've deleted sections of this article about Peters' views and policies ("some claim" .... "some observers say" etc) and his "trying to appeal to Asian voters without much success" etc. These are blatantly subjective political commentaries, completely unsubstantiated claims despite citation tags since August and warnings on those sections of the article warning that unverified material may be challenged and removed. This is unsupported, unencyclopedic and can't remain. Grimhim ( talk) 11:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Possible copyright violation? The uploader is newish, has a lot of warnings and isn't around anymore, and it says that the image "is owned by the European Union Centres Network.", which presumably isn't synonymous with the user. It shouldn't be difficult to get a replacement image in any case. Richard001 ( talk) 05:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
No mention of the Winebox Inquiry? Surely this was the defining moment of Winston Peters' political career? ElectricRay ( talk) 12:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
The article says that before the 2005 General Election, Peters said he would not seek the "baubles of office". It also says that in 2008 he greeted Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice on her arrival in NZ. Could we describe this encounter as a Rice bauble? Akld guy ( talk) 03:29, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
The claim that "He says he distrusts the corporate world, a fact sometimes used to label him as left-wing" is simply an error. He distrusts capitalism, which is or at least was a common thing. He supports free enterprise. That is an entirely different thing. Capitalism used to be opposed - or at least viewed with suspicion - by both left and right. Years of propaganda by capitalists in the USA - particularly their use of 'capitalism' as a false counterpart to 'communism', has shifted opinion - but only due to the misuse of the term capitalism. To summarise, Peters is distrustful of capitalism, which does not make him left or right wing. He was however originally a National Party minister, which makes him centre-right. 122.59.213.148 ( talk) 21:47, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Ollie035:: are you sure? From what I see in Grover Cleveland, Shinzō Abe and Juan Perón, it seems to be conventional to include the later numbering as well, as they served more than once in the same role. NoMoreHeroes ( talk) 03:21, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Screwdriver10: Is there discussion anywhere that led to that consensus because, without seeing more comment, it sounds wrong. I also wonder if there is a justified reason for numbering ministers anyway. It seems that over time the sensible reference to, for example, "the second (or fourth etc) National govt", has turned into a numbering frenzy that will soon lead us to talk about, for example, "the 89th minister of transport". Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 06:53, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Put like that the ministerial numbering system seems obvious. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 08:08, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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Being bold I have removed the paragraph about gay rights. It was totally misleading and biased towards a POV. The sources did not back up the statements made. This conclusion - Peters has generally opposed LGBT rights in New Zealand is drawn from an MP voting against a bill in the House. Where is the link? There is not one. The first source even quotes Peters as saying he would not have voted against the 1986 bill had he known about future medical advances regarding AIDS treatment. Again, where is the link with discrimination? Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 15:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Has anyone else heard that he will actually be sworn in as prime minister rather than being acting prime minister? If so,assuming we can back it up,shouldn't the article be updated to reflect this? Warspite85 ( talk) 10:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Our article today said Winston was acting PM because Jacinda Ardern was "unable to perform her prime ministerial duties due to six months maternal responsibility", and TV3 mentioned that tonight. Well, so we did, but we corrected it to six weeks. Has anyone seen TV3 correct any of the inaccuracies they have reported? Ever? Moriori ( talk) 09:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
This article is about a New Zealand politician. That does not mean it is for New Zealanders, or read only by them. It is part of an encyclopaedia aimed at all English speakers. The term "Pakeha" is understood within New Zealand but not elsewhere, and does not need to be used to describe New Zealand European society. The plain English "New Zealand European society" says everything that needs to be said, clearly and accessibly. Quite why people wish to force this Maori word into the article is not clear. Doktor Rotkod ( talk) 10:01, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Peters ethnicity - being Maori - is a significant factor in his notability and has been for half a century. That means it is relevant and should be mentioned in the lead. The WP guidelines that user:Alexeyevitch is using to justify its removal is being misunderstood by him/her and therefore applied incorrectly. I suggest you first find out why his ethnicity is notable and then why you have misread the guidelines. As I said on my talk page, if you want something to do, try working on sources. In fact, you have been on WP long enough IMO to progress from mass standardised changes to articles to edits that require a bit more thought than just button pressing. I hope you enjoy your time here. You might benefit from spending more time perusing WP more to see how it works in reality before leaping in with so many changes to articles. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 23:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
"also known mononymously as Winston". I don't think you see Winston Peters referred to as simply Winston in the media or anywhere really, such an example of Kimbra is. Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 11:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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Considerable debate has centred on how to classify the politics of Winston Peters...
He should be classified with Pim Fortuyn I think. Both populist charismatic nationalistic and with various idiosyncratic ideas, and better in opposition than in government (Fortuyn never got a chance to take part in government but his party was a complete shambles. Just like NZ First.)
Hello, Peters did lose this case. Although the court found that contracting out of the ability to stand for an electorate was not possible (which the National Party had tried to force Peters to do) he lost on attempting to gain an injucntion stopping the National Party from disapproving his nomination for Tauranga. The National Party never did disapprove Peters nomination but this was because Peter never put his nomination up, as the court refused to review the internal party process of deciding candidates beyond requiring adherance to the party rules because it was a private body. Peters was therefore unsuccessful in attempting to stop the decision to disapprove his nomination. See the case Italic textPeters v CollingeItalic text [1993] 2 NZLR 554 at page 575 and the discussion on judicial review of party process at page 566-571.
Will Peters be the first person to hold office in both a National and Labour ministry? If so this should be noted? Adam 12:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for that. How long will it be before Winston self-destructs again? Adam 00:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
it should be mentioned that he is the longest serving Maori politician and also the longest serving politician all together. Also, let's not forget that he was the first maori politician. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.79.209.50 ( talk) 08:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
When did Winston become a member of the Privy Council?
Ah, I see: it was part of that very special coalition deal. I knew he was deputy prime minister, but I never thought of him as a "senior politician" since he was merely the leader of a party with just 17/120 seats. On the other hand, New Zealand order of precedence has it that "In New Zealand, Privy Council appointees are former Prime Ministers, Deputy Prime Ministers, other cabinet ministers who were both senior and long-serving, Chief Justices and senior Court of Appeal justices."
The one thing I felt this article didn't cover was that a large number of Peter's supporters are the elderly. I remember going to a local NZ First rally with my grandfather (who still supports NZ First) and the whole room was old people. He appeals to traditional values and as such the majority of his supporters are the elderly, while very few younger people will support him. It's an important aspect to mention, though I don't have any reputable sources that I could cite if I added this statement. Perhaps an article from a newspaper or a book on Peters could be found that supports such a claim? Richard001 22:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
This section seems biased. For example, the heading, which could be 'The 2005 election' or 'Coalition with Labour' or something, seems intended purely to criticise him. Most of the text has the same tone. I realise hardly anyone under the age of 70 likes Winnie, and therefore Wikipedia users are unlikely to disagree with this, but this is an encyclopaedia and contributors should at least try to sound neutral. -- Helenalex 08:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Article states that the proposed sale of Auckland Airport led to the breakup of the coalition. However, I recall that it was Wellington Airport. I think this was in 1998. Can anyone confirm this? Canopus1968 ( talk) 00:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The incumbent minister of finance is actually Micheal Cullen. Can someone fix this? It says that Winston is at the moment. 125.238.177.86 ( talk) 06:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I've deleted sections of this article about Peters' views and policies ("some claim" .... "some observers say" etc) and his "trying to appeal to Asian voters without much success" etc. These are blatantly subjective political commentaries, completely unsubstantiated claims despite citation tags since August and warnings on those sections of the article warning that unverified material may be challenged and removed. This is unsupported, unencyclopedic and can't remain. Grimhim ( talk) 11:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Possible copyright violation? The uploader is newish, has a lot of warnings and isn't around anymore, and it says that the image "is owned by the European Union Centres Network.", which presumably isn't synonymous with the user. It shouldn't be difficult to get a replacement image in any case. Richard001 ( talk) 05:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
No mention of the Winebox Inquiry? Surely this was the defining moment of Winston Peters' political career? ElectricRay ( talk) 12:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
The article says that before the 2005 General Election, Peters said he would not seek the "baubles of office". It also says that in 2008 he greeted Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice on her arrival in NZ. Could we describe this encounter as a Rice bauble? Akld guy ( talk) 03:29, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
The claim that "He says he distrusts the corporate world, a fact sometimes used to label him as left-wing" is simply an error. He distrusts capitalism, which is or at least was a common thing. He supports free enterprise. That is an entirely different thing. Capitalism used to be opposed - or at least viewed with suspicion - by both left and right. Years of propaganda by capitalists in the USA - particularly their use of 'capitalism' as a false counterpart to 'communism', has shifted opinion - but only due to the misuse of the term capitalism. To summarise, Peters is distrustful of capitalism, which does not make him left or right wing. He was however originally a National Party minister, which makes him centre-right. 122.59.213.148 ( talk) 21:47, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Ollie035:: are you sure? From what I see in Grover Cleveland, Shinzō Abe and Juan Perón, it seems to be conventional to include the later numbering as well, as they served more than once in the same role. NoMoreHeroes ( talk) 03:21, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Screwdriver10: Is there discussion anywhere that led to that consensus because, without seeing more comment, it sounds wrong. I also wonder if there is a justified reason for numbering ministers anyway. It seems that over time the sensible reference to, for example, "the second (or fourth etc) National govt", has turned into a numbering frenzy that will soon lead us to talk about, for example, "the 89th minister of transport". Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 06:53, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Put like that the ministerial numbering system seems obvious. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 08:08, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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Being bold I have removed the paragraph about gay rights. It was totally misleading and biased towards a POV. The sources did not back up the statements made. This conclusion - Peters has generally opposed LGBT rights in New Zealand is drawn from an MP voting against a bill in the House. Where is the link? There is not one. The first source even quotes Peters as saying he would not have voted against the 1986 bill had he known about future medical advances regarding AIDS treatment. Again, where is the link with discrimination? Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 15:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Has anyone else heard that he will actually be sworn in as prime minister rather than being acting prime minister? If so,assuming we can back it up,shouldn't the article be updated to reflect this? Warspite85 ( talk) 10:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Our article today said Winston was acting PM because Jacinda Ardern was "unable to perform her prime ministerial duties due to six months maternal responsibility", and TV3 mentioned that tonight. Well, so we did, but we corrected it to six weeks. Has anyone seen TV3 correct any of the inaccuracies they have reported? Ever? Moriori ( talk) 09:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
This article is about a New Zealand politician. That does not mean it is for New Zealanders, or read only by them. It is part of an encyclopaedia aimed at all English speakers. The term "Pakeha" is understood within New Zealand but not elsewhere, and does not need to be used to describe New Zealand European society. The plain English "New Zealand European society" says everything that needs to be said, clearly and accessibly. Quite why people wish to force this Maori word into the article is not clear. Doktor Rotkod ( talk) 10:01, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Peters ethnicity - being Maori - is a significant factor in his notability and has been for half a century. That means it is relevant and should be mentioned in the lead. The WP guidelines that user:Alexeyevitch is using to justify its removal is being misunderstood by him/her and therefore applied incorrectly. I suggest you first find out why his ethnicity is notable and then why you have misread the guidelines. As I said on my talk page, if you want something to do, try working on sources. In fact, you have been on WP long enough IMO to progress from mass standardised changes to articles to edits that require a bit more thought than just button pressing. I hope you enjoy your time here. You might benefit from spending more time perusing WP more to see how it works in reality before leaping in with so many changes to articles. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 23:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
"also known mononymously as Winston". I don't think you see Winston Peters referred to as simply Winston in the media or anywhere really, such an example of Kimbra is. Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 11:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)