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Article has way too much puff in it, including thew repeated use of the phrase "critical praise". Reads too much like a CV, showing off accomplishments and going out of the way to name co-stars. Thought that saying she "starred alongside" Portman and Kunis in Black Swan was a stretch, reduced the impact of the phrasing. As article stands, it is set up as if to say "Here's all the ways that Winona Ryder is awesome", rather than neutrally cover her bio. Not sure how it became a Good Article. Echoedmyron ( talk) 19:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
One can find many references confirming that "Noni" smokes cigarettes. For example, she had a difficult time when filming her "Star Trek" part because she was not allowed to go outside for a smoking break so that the costume she wore would remain secret. But the underweight actress appears with a fuller figure at the "Black Swan" Premiere at 2010 Toronto International Film Festival. See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/14/natalie-portman-winona-ry_n_716023.html . Gaining weight is a side effect of quitting smoking, but that might not be the reason. Q43 ( talk) 07:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
"Winona Ryder - The Biography" by Nigel Goodall is one of the sources used for this article. Now I own a copy of this book and I'm a fan of the book but the book doesn't have a bibliography and doesn't list any of the sources officially, mainly unofficially in the acknowledgements.
The author didn't do interviews with the subject or any of her family, I'd guess the author mainly used magazine articles and fan forums for his information. And not saying that's bad, but I don't feel that's appropriate to use as a source for a encyclopedia article, no matter how accurate it is. It's not a good foundation. Meme3234 ( talk) 08:53, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the part about her graduating from Petaluma High School with a 4.0 GPA. I don't care what IMDB says, it simply is false. I know because I was a member of the same class as her. I graduated second in the class. She was not even in the top 10 students in our class, ever. We had a dinner every year honoring the top 10 in each class in town. She was never one of them. She didn't even graduate with us. After she started making so many films, she disappeared completely from school sometime during sophomore or junior year. I don't know how she finished high school, maybe did the GED, or maybe never finished at all. Unless she can produce a transcript with the 4.0 on it, which will never happen, you should not be writing these lies about her! It's a myth she created herself that has no foundation in reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.232.190.140 ( talk) 05:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
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The article should say how to pronounce her first name correctly. (I.e., how she and her acquaintances pronounce it). The archive has a discussion about it, and the outcome seems to be "wih-NO-na". However, "wih" is not a word and I am not sure how it is pronounced. Like "win" without the "n"?
The German wikipedia claims it is / wɪˈnəʊnə/, where " ɪ" is the same sound as in "bit".
I do hear "why-no-na" occasionally, but usually from journalists, who probably just don't know any better.
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In the 'early life & education' section it states that her father is Jewish, then later on states that he is an atheist. Which is correct? VenomousConcept ( talk) 16:46, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Good question, and much debated within the Jewish community. Best answer I have read: "Judaism" refers to a religion, while "Jewish" or "a Jew" also refers to an ethnicity that grew out of that religion. Her father could, then, be "Jewish" without believing in "Judaism." An ethnicity, by the way, is not a race. Profhum ( talk) 08:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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Was she really on hiatus or just attached to small projects. The latter seems to be the case based on her imdb credits. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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Hiatus isn't inaccurate but perhaps misleading. Forced Hiatus would be more accurate.
"With many fearing she was having a complete meltdown films distanced themselves from the star and job offers dried up." [1]
I'm a big fan of Winona (she's only a few years younger than me) and I'm grateful she was able to make a comeback! Zerostatetechnologies ( talk) 11:59, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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This false claim comes from Winona Ryder herself. She dropped out of PHS I believe in her sophomore year if I recall correctly to focus on her acting career. I was one of her classmates. If you can make an account on this site, you can view the full list of 1989 graduates as published in the local newspaper the Argus-Courier. Or search in the box for "Horowitz" and you will find she is not listed.: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/235200481/
If you review honor roll lists published in the same newspaper in the previous years, you will find she is not listed either. Hence, not only is her graduation claim false, but her claims of having a 4.0 GPA are also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.45.28.224 ( talk) 23:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Ryder's claim needs to be verified by multiple sources. The Argus-Courier's list of 1989 graduates could be inaccurate, and may have misspelled her birth name. Also, this list may not account for early graduates or GED recipients, who often do not participate in graduation ceremonies. PHS yearbooks or an official school district record might be useful in verifying her high school graduation. Msoul13 ( talk) 16:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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She did not marry Keanu Reeves. If you read the sources it's easy to see that this is a gross misrepresentation of the sources and a violation of WP:BLP. The sources are based on a lot of unfounded speculation. I suggest completely removing that paragraph. At the very least it should be reworded to properly reflect what's in the sources. Thanks. 75.182.115.183 ( talk) 20:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
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@ Sundayclose: Her relationships with Dave Pirner or Matt Damon are notable enough to be included in the article in the "Personal life" section, however the "partner" infobox parameter is for significant life partners only. The sources in the article only state that Pirner is an ex-boyfriend she previously lived with (no timeline even given) and that she dated Damon for two years. There is no source indicating that she did more than date either of them. Abbyjjjj96 ( talk) 20:11, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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Article has way too much puff in it, including thew repeated use of the phrase "critical praise". Reads too much like a CV, showing off accomplishments and going out of the way to name co-stars. Thought that saying she "starred alongside" Portman and Kunis in Black Swan was a stretch, reduced the impact of the phrasing. As article stands, it is set up as if to say "Here's all the ways that Winona Ryder is awesome", rather than neutrally cover her bio. Not sure how it became a Good Article. Echoedmyron ( talk) 19:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
One can find many references confirming that "Noni" smokes cigarettes. For example, she had a difficult time when filming her "Star Trek" part because she was not allowed to go outside for a smoking break so that the costume she wore would remain secret. But the underweight actress appears with a fuller figure at the "Black Swan" Premiere at 2010 Toronto International Film Festival. See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/14/natalie-portman-winona-ry_n_716023.html . Gaining weight is a side effect of quitting smoking, but that might not be the reason. Q43 ( talk) 07:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
"Winona Ryder - The Biography" by Nigel Goodall is one of the sources used for this article. Now I own a copy of this book and I'm a fan of the book but the book doesn't have a bibliography and doesn't list any of the sources officially, mainly unofficially in the acknowledgements.
The author didn't do interviews with the subject or any of her family, I'd guess the author mainly used magazine articles and fan forums for his information. And not saying that's bad, but I don't feel that's appropriate to use as a source for a encyclopedia article, no matter how accurate it is. It's not a good foundation. Meme3234 ( talk) 08:53, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the part about her graduating from Petaluma High School with a 4.0 GPA. I don't care what IMDB says, it simply is false. I know because I was a member of the same class as her. I graduated second in the class. She was not even in the top 10 students in our class, ever. We had a dinner every year honoring the top 10 in each class in town. She was never one of them. She didn't even graduate with us. After she started making so many films, she disappeared completely from school sometime during sophomore or junior year. I don't know how she finished high school, maybe did the GED, or maybe never finished at all. Unless she can produce a transcript with the 4.0 on it, which will never happen, you should not be writing these lies about her! It's a myth she created herself that has no foundation in reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.232.190.140 ( talk) 05:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
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The article should say how to pronounce her first name correctly. (I.e., how she and her acquaintances pronounce it). The archive has a discussion about it, and the outcome seems to be "wih-NO-na". However, "wih" is not a word and I am not sure how it is pronounced. Like "win" without the "n"?
The German wikipedia claims it is / wɪˈnəʊnə/, where " ɪ" is the same sound as in "bit".
I do hear "why-no-na" occasionally, but usually from journalists, who probably just don't know any better.
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In the 'early life & education' section it states that her father is Jewish, then later on states that he is an atheist. Which is correct? VenomousConcept ( talk) 16:46, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Good question, and much debated within the Jewish community. Best answer I have read: "Judaism" refers to a religion, while "Jewish" or "a Jew" also refers to an ethnicity that grew out of that religion. Her father could, then, be "Jewish" without believing in "Judaism." An ethnicity, by the way, is not a race. Profhum ( talk) 08:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you. Sincerely, Julie Shumway ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.248.17.239 ( talk) 17:45, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
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Was she really on hiatus or just attached to small projects. The latter seems to be the case based on her imdb credits. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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Hiatus isn't inaccurate but perhaps misleading. Forced Hiatus would be more accurate.
"With many fearing she was having a complete meltdown films distanced themselves from the star and job offers dried up." [1]
I'm a big fan of Winona (she's only a few years younger than me) and I'm grateful she was able to make a comeback! Zerostatetechnologies ( talk) 11:59, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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This false claim comes from Winona Ryder herself. She dropped out of PHS I believe in her sophomore year if I recall correctly to focus on her acting career. I was one of her classmates. If you can make an account on this site, you can view the full list of 1989 graduates as published in the local newspaper the Argus-Courier. Or search in the box for "Horowitz" and you will find she is not listed.: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/235200481/
If you review honor roll lists published in the same newspaper in the previous years, you will find she is not listed either. Hence, not only is her graduation claim false, but her claims of having a 4.0 GPA are also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.45.28.224 ( talk) 23:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Ryder's claim needs to be verified by multiple sources. The Argus-Courier's list of 1989 graduates could be inaccurate, and may have misspelled her birth name. Also, this list may not account for early graduates or GED recipients, who often do not participate in graduation ceremonies. PHS yearbooks or an official school district record might be useful in verifying her high school graduation. Msoul13 ( talk) 16:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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She did not marry Keanu Reeves. If you read the sources it's easy to see that this is a gross misrepresentation of the sources and a violation of WP:BLP. The sources are based on a lot of unfounded speculation. I suggest completely removing that paragraph. At the very least it should be reworded to properly reflect what's in the sources. Thanks. 75.182.115.183 ( talk) 20:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
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@ Sundayclose: Her relationships with Dave Pirner or Matt Damon are notable enough to be included in the article in the "Personal life" section, however the "partner" infobox parameter is for significant life partners only. The sources in the article only state that Pirner is an ex-boyfriend she previously lived with (no timeline even given) and that she dated Damon for two years. There is no source indicating that she did more than date either of them. Abbyjjjj96 ( talk) 20:11, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Should Winona Ryder's ex-boyfriends Dave Pirner and Matt Damon be listed as former life partners in the infobox? I didn't think the relationships were significant enough to be included there but another user disagreed. Abbyjjjj96 ( talk) 15:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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NOTE: Editor's should look at the section immediately above this RfC for the initial discussion of the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sundayclose ( talk • contribs) 15:29, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
NOTE: The first RfC description above violates the RfC rule of a neutral opening statement. It describes two people as "ex-boyfriends" without any reliable evidence that they are any different than any other "boyfriends". And it expresses user Abbyjjjj96's personal opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sundayclose ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
If you feel an RfC is improperly worded, ask the originator to improve the wording, or add an alternative unbiased statement immediately below the RfC question template.Schazjmd (talk) 13:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)