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Sorry about replacing your links with IMDB ones - when I tried them yesterday they didn't work 83.104.185.49 10:06, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
How do you pronounce her first name? I can't find this information anywhere. Is it [Wee]-[no]-[nah], [Wye]-[no]-[nah]? -- rydel 12:04, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It's definitely wih-NO-nah. I know because I went to school with her, but she actually normally went by the nickname Noni.-- 68.79.0.21 12:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:56, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Why do you do this Philwelch? Every time I read a biography on anyone, there you are, asking if the public thinks they are a "Gay icon".
As for your comment "That is what I am relying on you to do.", I have better things to do than decide if every actor/actress is a gay icon. Why are you relying on readers to decide if someone is a gay icon? Can't you figure that out yourself?--
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I've never heard the term ever in my life. Did someone just make it up? Even the Urban Dictionary has no entry for this.-- Bash 18:58, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I'd also like to see some evidence for the Ellis Island story. - Acjelen 02:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
I just changed the text of the description of Ryder's film "girl Interrupted". In which Angelina Jolie plays not a "psychopath" as it originally states, but rather a "sociopath". Here is my citation:
Plot Summary Spoiler warning: Plot or ending details follow. During her stay, Susanna (Ryder) meets Lisa (Jolie). Lisa proves to be a sexually driven and volatile character. Susanna and Lisa form a tight bond, but later Lisa begins to spin out of control and becomes a traitor to Susanna. Lisa ends up in a bed in restraints, repentant for what she did to Susanna. Susanna also befriends Daisy (Murphy), whose home problems lead to her suicide. Lisa, however, is not so sympathetic to Daisy's problems and never really shows a desire to be friends with her. This is a reflection of Lisa's sociopathy.
[edit] Quote "Lisa thinks she's hot shit cuz she's a sociopath" "We are very rare and we are mostly men" [edit] Related topics
http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/Girl,_Interrupted Lindsey 17:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
It is acceptable to link to certain fan sites, RE:
AGCN provides comprehensive information on Winona Ryder's past and present activities, it's also got the largest WR image collection on the web. It was on this page when I first started editing Wikipedia about a year ago and was only recently removed.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Conch Shell ( talk) 17:05, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Someone just corrected her mother's maiden name to "Istas", no doubt from her birth certificate at Rootsweb.com. This is the name I saw there before, too. I think Palmer was her first husband's surname. Anyway, do we really know if her mother is of English descent? "Istas" certainly doesn't sound English and all I've read about Ryder's ancestry is that her father is Jewish (and most articles seemed to imply that her mother isn't), so I'm removing "English descent" unless someone has a good source. Vulturell 01:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
It seems to me that many people try to spell her name as "Winona Rider". Would it be helpful to have some kind of redirect so that if people are looking for her by that spelling, it would direct them to the appropriate page? I'm technically incompetent and have no idea how I would go about doing this. Mrplastic 06:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Would someone want to correct the section where it says Ryder's natural blonde hair can be admired in the film Edward Scissorhands? It was extensively mentioned by the actress herself at the time she promoted the movie that she wore a wig! I can provide a cite if needed. 151.205.51.198 23:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)a Winona fan
Her natural hair color is black. I went to school with her. When I first met her she actually had it dyed bright beet red! -- 68.72.97.144 ( talk) 18:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Hope no one minds, I just tidied up some of the film summaries and the phrasing, particularly 1986-2000. Cheers, a big Winona fan. - Wikitoddia 23:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Does she really consider Frances Ford Coppola the "Best Director"? And is that the best director ever, the best director currently alive, or is this even appropriate? It seems for a compliment that generous, there should be some documentation. Anyone? - Wikitoddia 00:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)00:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Where'd you read they dated for three years? The never "officialy" dated, but according to paparazzis (isn't an encyclopedic source to begin with) they only went out for a few weeks or months. Article is protected, could someone be so nice and remove the wrong edit. Thx.
Their relationship is documented and official. Page Hamilton has mentioned it in interviews. Do not edit my entries without talkback here or at contact christianlloydburrows at yahoo dot com. Wikideditor 08:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I asked politely to contact and talk before you vandalized Ryder's profile and called her last relationship "another fling". I have made the decision to waste my time over this issue with you because your reasons for vandalism are suspect.
Further I include here links and quotes where Hamilton mentions the duration of his relationship with Ryder between three to three and a half years
Joe's Podhole interview http://joespodhole.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=124496
Quote from interview with Mark Carras of RockMyMonkey.com
"I'm at that point in my life where I have a little less stress with my home life, because I'm single. I was once married, and I had a girlfriend for the last three and a half years up until May."
I have wasted my time for you looking for images of Ryder and Hamilton together. Photos of them shopping or on dates can be found dated July of 2003, October 2003, March 2004 and April 2006. Approx. time period quoted by Hamilton. Wikideditor 18:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
You are slandering Ryder by belittling a three year relationship as a fling. How could you not hear Winona Ryder's name in the Podhole interview when everyone else has? I have an email sent to me that says you have been impersonating Winona Ryder on several sites because she wouldn't sleep with you. Is that why you don't want the three year Hamilton relationship on Wikipedia because you told people online another story as you acted as Winona Ryder? Is that you or someone else? If it isn't you what do you think about it as you did remove references to it in the main article by anonymous contributors? Wikideditor 16:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Insulting me (again). I did say an email claimed you, RU4real, had previously impersonated Winona Ryder on the-soap.com's message boards under the pseudonym 'meforreal'. It's pretty easy to theorize that when your nicknames are similar. I will ask some questions and ask you to answer all of them.
1) Are you meforreal? 2) Why is it that you appeared for the first time on the 16 October to edit out references to a Winona Ryder impersonator on MySpace within minutes of those additions which came from a single user using multiple connections and proxies? 3)The same additions came in from other proxies on the 17 October and again you appeared very shortly after to remove them. Are you psychic? 4) Why did you blatantly and purposefully ignored Page Hamilton's references to her in the links above? 5) Why is it that with your encyclopedic knowledge of Winona Ryder you said Page Hamilton was "another quick fling" when every Ryder fan knows they were dating for three years? 6)What was the purpose for deleting my additions more than once when they were grounded in factual knowledge?
Answer all those questions without ignoring any. Wikideditor 16:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Meforreal? What? I don't claim to have encyclopedic knowledge of Ryder, I wouldn't want to. However, I do know that said edit was not essential to Ryder hence I and other editors removed it. Goodbye Ru4real 16:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
You're so quick to reply (must live here) and quicker at running away with questions unanswered! Come back and answer all questions above please. Wikideditor 17:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
You were the person who told us on IMdB. How did you find out? Send all your evidence to christianlloydburrows[at]yahoo.com Wikideditor 15:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
If this person
http://www.myspace.com/118711933 is Winona then I'm disgusted by her personality and responses and hope never to see her face or hear her name again. It would make her an awful human being
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.....and they all fell down Wikideditor 11:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The english and most of the international pages about wynona have no picture in the top right bio box.
The Esperanto version of the page has a nice one that could be used, but I'd like someone who understands Esperanto to check if the licence is ok. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.114.251.35 ( talk) 21:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC).
The "winona ryder news channel" appears to be a glorified blog. It's also not originated by Winona. Prove me wrong, but this appears to be a sketchy case of not meeting WP:EL WP:RS etc. Site contact is a hotmail address. Piperdown 03:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I have completly re-writen the article. I beleive it is close to receiving a GA or FA status, maybe an expansion on the personal life section. Any comments and suggestions would be very helpful. Angel2001 13:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
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Almost the whole Early life and education part is based on trivia from TV.com while these trivia seems to be editable by everyone and therefor aren't good sources of information. There should be better ones... Greetings, -- Konsumkind 17:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
...i remember that the last time i visited this article there was a fairly extended list of occurences of Winona in popular culture, like a list of songs written about her, including a mention of the quarrel with Les Claypool on Primus' Wynona's big brown beaver, etc. Why was that erased? I'm not into trivia sections really (i hate random lists of uninteresting facts like "she's got a scar on her left knee" or "she used to sniff glue at age 8" — and yeah i just made that up), but i don't think that list fell into this category. I did find it useful. Are "References in popular culture" discouraged too — if they're not too long and kept clean?
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The much of the section about Polly Klass is completely unsourced. We need sources for the following:
On another note, voicing protest of what? Was he angry about what the Assistant DA said about Ryder? Or was he angry about Ryder's dedication of the movie? Without a citation, we can't rephrase for clarity, and per WP:BLP, this section really shouldn't be here at all without reliable sources. UPDATE: Checked the Polly Klaas page. The same facts are asserted, again without attribution.
Wellspring ( talk) 16:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
she was on an episode of friends she played rachel's friend from college, she and rachel made out at a party in college. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.86.128 ( talk) 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the Woody Allen problem of insurance occurred in 2002 or 2003 after Wynona Ryder was sentenced in a publically televised sentencing in the California Superior Court in December 2002 It was because of her "drug" problem and "shoplifting" problem and the hysteria of the Press and Media and publicity for a year, only ending in December of 2002, that the insurance companies didn't want to insure anything Wynona Ryder would appear in.
I think Winona Ryder was "set up" or "on the set" ----one or the other---- and I have no desire to hurt her (I think she was hurt enough) but I think that Wikipedia is putting out incomplete information that paints an incomplete picture of what really happened to Winona Ryder in this article if you don't indicate that it was in December of 2002, after the two movies were completed in 2002, that Winona was sentenced for felony larceny and shoplifting and not until 2003 that she was finding it hard to get work and that Woody Allen had to drop her ----Obviousl;y. this hurt her career and I think she was SET UP to provide an example to the American Public that would indicate that even the rich and famous are prosecuted and punished for shoplifting which is "larceny" when prosecuted in the courts of the United States ----and to protect the California Three Strikes Laws and the State State Statutes for Civil Recovery for Shoplifting throughout the United States and especially in California, where it is really BIB business. There was never any discussion of The Civil Recovery Statutes for Shoplifting in any of the publicity about the Winona Ryder case and I guess the Press and the Media just weren't curious about why Winona was treated differently than the other 5000 similar cases that were plead down to a misdemeanor, etc.. before a public jury trial and sentencing.
CJKC
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Normally, all of this would outright fail the article. In this case, however, it may be possible to cite all of these facts within seven days since this is a higher-profile article. Therefore, I am going to place the article on hold provisionally. The references, including the many that still need to be added, will be checked once all of the above concerns have been addressed. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, CP 22:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
All of these problems have been addressed, and the citations have been provided from everything mentioned. Disco dog23 ( talk) 02:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Thankyou! Disco dog23 ( talk) 08:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I've added a Russian-American category to the article as she has Russian ancestors (her paternal grandparents were Jewish immigrants from Russia). See also [2] 87.126.142.54 ( talk) 22:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Why no mention in this article that Winona recently "lost" $125k-worth of borrowed Bulgari diamonds? It's newsworthy, and has been covered elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.113.162 ( talk) 05:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is there an article about Winona Ryder’s father on this encyclopaedia - that’s what I want to know? Does this mean that if I have a daughter who becomes a famous celeb I will also become worthy of an encyclopaedic article? Moshe-paz ( talk) 16:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Jayjg has removed the Russian Jewish categories from the article (and, BTW, from Laura Prepon), without any other explanation than a vague reference to WP:BLP. Whereas you are allowed to immediately remove contentiuos material (i.e. controversial material) there is nothing contentious about these categories. Furthermore Jayjg has not removed the actual information about her jewish ancestry from the article, just the categories. Categories should flow from the main text. The info is sourced through Goodall's biography. What's the problem? - Duribald ( talk) 08:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Please explain how she does not fit into a category that is described as "American people who immigrated to the United States from Russia and their descendants". Repeat: "and their descendants". It is sourced in the article that her grandparents immigrated from Russia. That makes her a descendent of Russians. Ward3001 ( talk) 17:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
"Third time" is quite misleading. I hope you will repeat your points sufficiently for others to make sense out of them rather than hide behind your admin tools or obscure rationales that you refused to discuss even one time until forced to do so when other editors have demanded that you do so. Please explain how someone cannot be both Russian and Jewish, as were her grandparents. Are you saying that being Jewish automatically excludes someone from any nationality or citizenship in any country? And my other point is in regard to your repeatedly stating "defies both logic and common sense": Please be aware that there is some interpretation involved in the concepts of logic and common sense. And you alone do not define those concepts or decide how they will be interpreted on Wikipdia. Ward3001 ( talk) 18:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Let me get this straight. You're saying that a citizen of the country of Russia cannot be described as a Russian. Forget the Jewish ethnicity. I just want to know if Jews who have Russian citizenship should not be referred to as Russians, and if so, does that mean that Jews cannot be described as Americans, or British, or French, or whatever country in which they hold citizenship. By the same token, are African-Americans who descended from Africa not to be referred to as "American"? It's a simple question involving "logic and common sense" that should not require esoteric descriptions involving Jewish ethnicity or ancestry. Ward3001 ( talk) 18:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
First of all, African-Americans are a specific ethnicity, but you didn't answer my question: Should they not be referred to as Americans? Secondly, as I have repeatedly requested here and elsewhere, please give us the specific wording in WP:BLP that prohibits including in Category:Russian-Americans the grandchildren of those Russians who immigrated to the United States. You've already made it abundantly clear what your unusual interpretation of "logic and common sense" is. Now, I'm specifically asking for the exact wording in WP:BLP that makes that prohibition. You can argue "logic and common sense" all you want, but I'm not asking for your logic and common sense. I'm asking for the words in WP:BLP that excludes grandchildren. Ward3001 ( talk) 19:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Editors must take particular care adding biographical material about a living person to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States and to all of our content policies, especially Neutral point of view (NPOV); Verifiability; No original research
Should Category:Russian-Americans be included? The category is described as ""American people who immigrated to the United States from Russia and their descendants". There is a sourced statement that her grandparents immigrated from Russia.
Jayjg, please give us the specific statements in WP:BLP that prohibit the Category:Russian-Americans from including people who are descendants of Russians who immigrated to the United States, if it is reliable sourced that a person is such a descendant. If you consider this an inapppropriate venue, then please do so Category talk:Russian-Americans. Ward3001 ( talk) 19:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Editors must take particular care adding biographical material about a living person to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States and to all of our content policies, especially Neutral point of view (NPOV); Verifiability; No original research
No, no, no, Jayjg. That's your interpretation of BLP as well as your interpretation of the term "Russian-American". I think if you look around, you'll see many people described on Wikipedia as "Italian-American" who are several generations away from their ancestors who were Italian citizens. You'll see people described as African-American who also are many generations from Africa, and NOT because they are ethnically "Negro", but because they are American citizens whose ancestors lived in Africa. I want the specific words in WP:BLP that prohibits inclusion of grandchildren of Russians who immigrated to the United States. You alone do not decide how to intepret BLP. As has been pointed out, you are an administrator, not God. You're not even Jimbo. So please give the specific wording that prohibits including granchildren. If you can't give us that, then we are quibbling about interpretation, not "violation of content policies". Ward3001 ( talk) 19:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I'll stop commenting on the contributor if the contributor behaves like a reasonable editor rather than supreme ruler of Wikipedia. And you still have not given us the words in WP:BLP that excludes grandchildren. Ward3001 ( talk) 19:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Source that she is Russian-American: [6]. It's as reliable as Wikipedia and about 90% of sources used on Wikipedia, but of course POV-pushers will find something wrong with it. Ward3001 ( talk) 20:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Wrong procedure. Before deciding — or voting on — the inclusion, we MUST have at least one reliable, independent (!) source that W.R. is actually considered a Russian-American actor. (Not Russian-Jewish American, Russian-American Jew etc.) Concerning hyphenated ethnicities/nationalities, they exist in abundance outside USA — e.g., Norwegian norsk-pakistaner about Norwegians of Pakistani descent. Please remember: The inclusion of a fact frequently lends itself to voting, the establishment of one doesn’t. -- Olve Utne ( talk) 23:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Comment - for consistency's sake, all (blank)-American categories should be defined the same way- either "descended from", "born" or possibly "first or second generation". we could require that a rs state the precise phrase, or infer it from meeting the criteria of the consensus defintion. any of those is fine with me, as long as it is achieved through consensus and not arbitrarily applied to just a few categories. this kind of haphazardness causes blp problems in itself. for instance, Category:Russian-American Jews was recently changed to state: "born in Russia" but still contains bella azbug, richard brooks and saul bellow - and probably more - none of whom were born in russia. my suggestion is to open an rfc for ethnic categories in general and let the community decide how to define all of these and the criteria for inclusion, untwirl( talk) 19:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Real Surname her dad is Tomchin!!! Tomchin is typical RUSSIAN surname! http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000213/bio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.179.84.157 ( talk) 18:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey everyone, i edited winona ryder's filmography, which earlier showed a "bollywood" movie named welcome and said it was directed by kirsten dunst, oh please, so i edited it and the filmography section is messed up, so if anyone can help get it right, it would be nice..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amijeet ( talk • contribs) 06:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I added information that Winona's grandfather is Israel Horowitz, an American record producer who was born in New York City in 1916, who was already listed in Wikipedia. So he was not born in Russia. I get the sense that Winona, bless her heart, might not be the best source for encyclopedia information on her family. In another article she said that her grandmother was 99 years old. I gathered from the article that this information was dated approximately 1999, because it indicated that Winona was 28 at the time. That would mean that her grandmother was born in 1900 and was 16 years older than her husband. Anything is possible. Someone might want to look at it more closely. Pamdhiga ( talk) 02:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
After trying to find a definition in several English-language dictionaries, I was compelled to delete the mysterious "120 ha" parenthetical that appears after "300 acres" (ctrl-f either phrase), but when I opened the article to edit I was faced with this even more mysterious tag: {{convert|300|acre|ha|adj=on}}. Obviously there's hoodoo going on here with which I'm not familiar, but unless someone can explain it I'm tempted still to delete it, because I'm afraid of magic I do not understand. Not to mention units of measurement that don't belong in the "en." version of WP. But I also don't want to be an ass, so I'd like to wait and see whether someone can clear this up for me. Love, Sugarbat ( talk) 21:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Would this (licensed CC-BY) suffice as a replacement image for this article? To supplant the current image depicting two separate people. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 01:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
The overall tone of the lead section feels too emotional, with sentences like this: "...after appearing in numerous critically acclaimed, box office successes, Ryder emerged as one of the most celebrated actresses of her generation." And the source pointed to a uncheckable "bio". (BTW, I don't see something like "one of the most celebrated actresses of her generation" written on Kate Winslet's page.) Then there's the concluding sentence: "Ryder returned to the screen which prompted several media outlets to call her performance "a remarkable comeback" to acting." It's actually just two. I think it's best that we stick to the "facts". - Artoasis ( talk) 07:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
No mention of her dating Dave Pirner? This was major news in the 90s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.23.18 ( talk) 04:59, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
What's with this Judaocentric trend to include in every biography on wikipedia sentences like "X describes themselves as Jewish because they once said ____" They could once describe themselves as a pterodactyl, we're not going to put "Winona Ryder once said she was a pterodactyl." The woman is half Jewish by ethnicity. She doesn't appear to be a serious adherent to any specific religion. Why is that not enough? Why do we have to include every ludicrous detail about this person's introspective identity? It's a wikipedia biography, not a Freudian psychoanalytic essay on the woman. 96.251.79.147 ( talk) 22:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I am not a specialist but as a fan of Julia Roberts I am almost convinced that the picture in the middle is of Julia not Winona Ryder. Please correct it if I am right.
There are many comparisons in this film that are prevalent to today, and religeons spawning from ancient books. There are two books that have been used for what is not sound to a human being, yet no one reports things this way. Many seem to have sold fears, and others perceive that they are needed, instead of proving what is sound psychologically. Kabbalah is a relative form of Mysticism that brings many results, and can be proven psychologically to improve outlooks for those with mental troubles. 69.96.8.3 ( talk) 12:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
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Sorry about replacing your links with IMDB ones - when I tried them yesterday they didn't work 83.104.185.49 10:06, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
How do you pronounce her first name? I can't find this information anywhere. Is it [Wee]-[no]-[nah], [Wye]-[no]-[nah]? -- rydel 12:04, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It's definitely wih-NO-nah. I know because I went to school with her, but she actually normally went by the nickname Noni.-- 68.79.0.21 12:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:56, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Why do you do this Philwelch? Every time I read a biography on anyone, there you are, asking if the public thinks they are a "Gay icon".
As for your comment "That is what I am relying on you to do.", I have better things to do than decide if every actor/actress is a gay icon. Why are you relying on readers to decide if someone is a gay icon? Can't you figure that out yourself?--
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I've never heard the term ever in my life. Did someone just make it up? Even the Urban Dictionary has no entry for this.-- Bash 18:58, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I'd also like to see some evidence for the Ellis Island story. - Acjelen 02:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
I just changed the text of the description of Ryder's film "girl Interrupted". In which Angelina Jolie plays not a "psychopath" as it originally states, but rather a "sociopath". Here is my citation:
Plot Summary Spoiler warning: Plot or ending details follow. During her stay, Susanna (Ryder) meets Lisa (Jolie). Lisa proves to be a sexually driven and volatile character. Susanna and Lisa form a tight bond, but later Lisa begins to spin out of control and becomes a traitor to Susanna. Lisa ends up in a bed in restraints, repentant for what she did to Susanna. Susanna also befriends Daisy (Murphy), whose home problems lead to her suicide. Lisa, however, is not so sympathetic to Daisy's problems and never really shows a desire to be friends with her. This is a reflection of Lisa's sociopathy.
[edit] Quote "Lisa thinks she's hot shit cuz she's a sociopath" "We are very rare and we are mostly men" [edit] Related topics
http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/Girl,_Interrupted Lindsey 17:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
It is acceptable to link to certain fan sites, RE:
AGCN provides comprehensive information on Winona Ryder's past and present activities, it's also got the largest WR image collection on the web. It was on this page when I first started editing Wikipedia about a year ago and was only recently removed.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Conch Shell ( talk) 17:05, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Someone just corrected her mother's maiden name to "Istas", no doubt from her birth certificate at Rootsweb.com. This is the name I saw there before, too. I think Palmer was her first husband's surname. Anyway, do we really know if her mother is of English descent? "Istas" certainly doesn't sound English and all I've read about Ryder's ancestry is that her father is Jewish (and most articles seemed to imply that her mother isn't), so I'm removing "English descent" unless someone has a good source. Vulturell 01:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
It seems to me that many people try to spell her name as "Winona Rider". Would it be helpful to have some kind of redirect so that if people are looking for her by that spelling, it would direct them to the appropriate page? I'm technically incompetent and have no idea how I would go about doing this. Mrplastic 06:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Would someone want to correct the section where it says Ryder's natural blonde hair can be admired in the film Edward Scissorhands? It was extensively mentioned by the actress herself at the time she promoted the movie that she wore a wig! I can provide a cite if needed. 151.205.51.198 23:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)a Winona fan
Her natural hair color is black. I went to school with her. When I first met her she actually had it dyed bright beet red! -- 68.72.97.144 ( talk) 18:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Hope no one minds, I just tidied up some of the film summaries and the phrasing, particularly 1986-2000. Cheers, a big Winona fan. - Wikitoddia 23:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Does she really consider Frances Ford Coppola the "Best Director"? And is that the best director ever, the best director currently alive, or is this even appropriate? It seems for a compliment that generous, there should be some documentation. Anyone? - Wikitoddia 00:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)00:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Where'd you read they dated for three years? The never "officialy" dated, but according to paparazzis (isn't an encyclopedic source to begin with) they only went out for a few weeks or months. Article is protected, could someone be so nice and remove the wrong edit. Thx.
Their relationship is documented and official. Page Hamilton has mentioned it in interviews. Do not edit my entries without talkback here or at contact christianlloydburrows at yahoo dot com. Wikideditor 08:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I asked politely to contact and talk before you vandalized Ryder's profile and called her last relationship "another fling". I have made the decision to waste my time over this issue with you because your reasons for vandalism are suspect.
Further I include here links and quotes where Hamilton mentions the duration of his relationship with Ryder between three to three and a half years
Joe's Podhole interview http://joespodhole.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=124496
Quote from interview with Mark Carras of RockMyMonkey.com
"I'm at that point in my life where I have a little less stress with my home life, because I'm single. I was once married, and I had a girlfriend for the last three and a half years up until May."
I have wasted my time for you looking for images of Ryder and Hamilton together. Photos of them shopping or on dates can be found dated July of 2003, October 2003, March 2004 and April 2006. Approx. time period quoted by Hamilton. Wikideditor 18:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
You are slandering Ryder by belittling a three year relationship as a fling. How could you not hear Winona Ryder's name in the Podhole interview when everyone else has? I have an email sent to me that says you have been impersonating Winona Ryder on several sites because she wouldn't sleep with you. Is that why you don't want the three year Hamilton relationship on Wikipedia because you told people online another story as you acted as Winona Ryder? Is that you or someone else? If it isn't you what do you think about it as you did remove references to it in the main article by anonymous contributors? Wikideditor 16:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Insulting me (again). I did say an email claimed you, RU4real, had previously impersonated Winona Ryder on the-soap.com's message boards under the pseudonym 'meforreal'. It's pretty easy to theorize that when your nicknames are similar. I will ask some questions and ask you to answer all of them.
1) Are you meforreal? 2) Why is it that you appeared for the first time on the 16 October to edit out references to a Winona Ryder impersonator on MySpace within minutes of those additions which came from a single user using multiple connections and proxies? 3)The same additions came in from other proxies on the 17 October and again you appeared very shortly after to remove them. Are you psychic? 4) Why did you blatantly and purposefully ignored Page Hamilton's references to her in the links above? 5) Why is it that with your encyclopedic knowledge of Winona Ryder you said Page Hamilton was "another quick fling" when every Ryder fan knows they were dating for three years? 6)What was the purpose for deleting my additions more than once when they were grounded in factual knowledge?
Answer all those questions without ignoring any. Wikideditor 16:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Meforreal? What? I don't claim to have encyclopedic knowledge of Ryder, I wouldn't want to. However, I do know that said edit was not essential to Ryder hence I and other editors removed it. Goodbye Ru4real 16:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
You're so quick to reply (must live here) and quicker at running away with questions unanswered! Come back and answer all questions above please. Wikideditor 17:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
You were the person who told us on IMdB. How did you find out? Send all your evidence to christianlloydburrows[at]yahoo.com Wikideditor 15:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
If this person
http://www.myspace.com/118711933 is Winona then I'm disgusted by her personality and responses and hope never to see her face or hear her name again. It would make her an awful human being
Lefttodiealone
21:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
.....and they all fell down Wikideditor 11:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The english and most of the international pages about wynona have no picture in the top right bio box.
The Esperanto version of the page has a nice one that could be used, but I'd like someone who understands Esperanto to check if the licence is ok. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.114.251.35 ( talk) 21:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC).
The "winona ryder news channel" appears to be a glorified blog. It's also not originated by Winona. Prove me wrong, but this appears to be a sketchy case of not meeting WP:EL WP:RS etc. Site contact is a hotmail address. Piperdown 03:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I have completly re-writen the article. I beleive it is close to receiving a GA or FA status, maybe an expansion on the personal life section. Any comments and suggestions would be very helpful. Angel2001 13:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
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Almost the whole Early life and education part is based on trivia from TV.com while these trivia seems to be editable by everyone and therefor aren't good sources of information. There should be better ones... Greetings, -- Konsumkind 17:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
...i remember that the last time i visited this article there was a fairly extended list of occurences of Winona in popular culture, like a list of songs written about her, including a mention of the quarrel with Les Claypool on Primus' Wynona's big brown beaver, etc. Why was that erased? I'm not into trivia sections really (i hate random lists of uninteresting facts like "she's got a scar on her left knee" or "she used to sniff glue at age 8" — and yeah i just made that up), but i don't think that list fell into this category. I did find it useful. Are "References in popular culture" discouraged too — if they're not too long and kept clean?
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The much of the section about Polly Klass is completely unsourced. We need sources for the following:
On another note, voicing protest of what? Was he angry about what the Assistant DA said about Ryder? Or was he angry about Ryder's dedication of the movie? Without a citation, we can't rephrase for clarity, and per WP:BLP, this section really shouldn't be here at all without reliable sources. UPDATE: Checked the Polly Klaas page. The same facts are asserted, again without attribution.
Wellspring ( talk) 16:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
she was on an episode of friends she played rachel's friend from college, she and rachel made out at a party in college. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.86.128 ( talk) 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the Woody Allen problem of insurance occurred in 2002 or 2003 after Wynona Ryder was sentenced in a publically televised sentencing in the California Superior Court in December 2002 It was because of her "drug" problem and "shoplifting" problem and the hysteria of the Press and Media and publicity for a year, only ending in December of 2002, that the insurance companies didn't want to insure anything Wynona Ryder would appear in.
I think Winona Ryder was "set up" or "on the set" ----one or the other---- and I have no desire to hurt her (I think she was hurt enough) but I think that Wikipedia is putting out incomplete information that paints an incomplete picture of what really happened to Winona Ryder in this article if you don't indicate that it was in December of 2002, after the two movies were completed in 2002, that Winona was sentenced for felony larceny and shoplifting and not until 2003 that she was finding it hard to get work and that Woody Allen had to drop her ----Obviousl;y. this hurt her career and I think she was SET UP to provide an example to the American Public that would indicate that even the rich and famous are prosecuted and punished for shoplifting which is "larceny" when prosecuted in the courts of the United States ----and to protect the California Three Strikes Laws and the State State Statutes for Civil Recovery for Shoplifting throughout the United States and especially in California, where it is really BIB business. There was never any discussion of The Civil Recovery Statutes for Shoplifting in any of the publicity about the Winona Ryder case and I guess the Press and the Media just weren't curious about why Winona was treated differently than the other 5000 similar cases that were plead down to a misdemeanor, etc.. before a public jury trial and sentencing.
CJKC
Comments:
Normally, all of this would outright fail the article. In this case, however, it may be possible to cite all of these facts within seven days since this is a higher-profile article. Therefore, I am going to place the article on hold provisionally. The references, including the many that still need to be added, will be checked once all of the above concerns have been addressed. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, CP 22:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
All of these problems have been addressed, and the citations have been provided from everything mentioned. Disco dog23 ( talk) 02:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Thankyou! Disco dog23 ( talk) 08:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I've added a Russian-American category to the article as she has Russian ancestors (her paternal grandparents were Jewish immigrants from Russia). See also [2] 87.126.142.54 ( talk) 22:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Why no mention in this article that Winona recently "lost" $125k-worth of borrowed Bulgari diamonds? It's newsworthy, and has been covered elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.113.162 ( talk) 05:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is there an article about Winona Ryder’s father on this encyclopaedia - that’s what I want to know? Does this mean that if I have a daughter who becomes a famous celeb I will also become worthy of an encyclopaedic article? Moshe-paz ( talk) 16:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Jayjg has removed the Russian Jewish categories from the article (and, BTW, from Laura Prepon), without any other explanation than a vague reference to WP:BLP. Whereas you are allowed to immediately remove contentiuos material (i.e. controversial material) there is nothing contentious about these categories. Furthermore Jayjg has not removed the actual information about her jewish ancestry from the article, just the categories. Categories should flow from the main text. The info is sourced through Goodall's biography. What's the problem? - Duribald ( talk) 08:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Please explain how she does not fit into a category that is described as "American people who immigrated to the United States from Russia and their descendants". Repeat: "and their descendants". It is sourced in the article that her grandparents immigrated from Russia. That makes her a descendent of Russians. Ward3001 ( talk) 17:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
"Third time" is quite misleading. I hope you will repeat your points sufficiently for others to make sense out of them rather than hide behind your admin tools or obscure rationales that you refused to discuss even one time until forced to do so when other editors have demanded that you do so. Please explain how someone cannot be both Russian and Jewish, as were her grandparents. Are you saying that being Jewish automatically excludes someone from any nationality or citizenship in any country? And my other point is in regard to your repeatedly stating "defies both logic and common sense": Please be aware that there is some interpretation involved in the concepts of logic and common sense. And you alone do not define those concepts or decide how they will be interpreted on Wikipdia. Ward3001 ( talk) 18:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Let me get this straight. You're saying that a citizen of the country of Russia cannot be described as a Russian. Forget the Jewish ethnicity. I just want to know if Jews who have Russian citizenship should not be referred to as Russians, and if so, does that mean that Jews cannot be described as Americans, or British, or French, or whatever country in which they hold citizenship. By the same token, are African-Americans who descended from Africa not to be referred to as "American"? It's a simple question involving "logic and common sense" that should not require esoteric descriptions involving Jewish ethnicity or ancestry. Ward3001 ( talk) 18:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
First of all, African-Americans are a specific ethnicity, but you didn't answer my question: Should they not be referred to as Americans? Secondly, as I have repeatedly requested here and elsewhere, please give us the specific wording in WP:BLP that prohibits including in Category:Russian-Americans the grandchildren of those Russians who immigrated to the United States. You've already made it abundantly clear what your unusual interpretation of "logic and common sense" is. Now, I'm specifically asking for the exact wording in WP:BLP that makes that prohibition. You can argue "logic and common sense" all you want, but I'm not asking for your logic and common sense. I'm asking for the words in WP:BLP that excludes grandchildren. Ward3001 ( talk) 19:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Editors must take particular care adding biographical material about a living person to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States and to all of our content policies, especially Neutral point of view (NPOV); Verifiability; No original research
Should Category:Russian-Americans be included? The category is described as ""American people who immigrated to the United States from Russia and their descendants". There is a sourced statement that her grandparents immigrated from Russia.
Jayjg, please give us the specific statements in WP:BLP that prohibit the Category:Russian-Americans from including people who are descendants of Russians who immigrated to the United States, if it is reliable sourced that a person is such a descendant. If you consider this an inapppropriate venue, then please do so Category talk:Russian-Americans. Ward3001 ( talk) 19:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Editors must take particular care adding biographical material about a living person to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States and to all of our content policies, especially Neutral point of view (NPOV); Verifiability; No original research
No, no, no, Jayjg. That's your interpretation of BLP as well as your interpretation of the term "Russian-American". I think if you look around, you'll see many people described on Wikipedia as "Italian-American" who are several generations away from their ancestors who were Italian citizens. You'll see people described as African-American who also are many generations from Africa, and NOT because they are ethnically "Negro", but because they are American citizens whose ancestors lived in Africa. I want the specific words in WP:BLP that prohibits inclusion of grandchildren of Russians who immigrated to the United States. You alone do not decide how to intepret BLP. As has been pointed out, you are an administrator, not God. You're not even Jimbo. So please give the specific wording that prohibits including granchildren. If you can't give us that, then we are quibbling about interpretation, not "violation of content policies". Ward3001 ( talk) 19:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I'll stop commenting on the contributor if the contributor behaves like a reasonable editor rather than supreme ruler of Wikipedia. And you still have not given us the words in WP:BLP that excludes grandchildren. Ward3001 ( talk) 19:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Source that she is Russian-American: [6]. It's as reliable as Wikipedia and about 90% of sources used on Wikipedia, but of course POV-pushers will find something wrong with it. Ward3001 ( talk) 20:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Wrong procedure. Before deciding — or voting on — the inclusion, we MUST have at least one reliable, independent (!) source that W.R. is actually considered a Russian-American actor. (Not Russian-Jewish American, Russian-American Jew etc.) Concerning hyphenated ethnicities/nationalities, they exist in abundance outside USA — e.g., Norwegian norsk-pakistaner about Norwegians of Pakistani descent. Please remember: The inclusion of a fact frequently lends itself to voting, the establishment of one doesn’t. -- Olve Utne ( talk) 23:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Comment - for consistency's sake, all (blank)-American categories should be defined the same way- either "descended from", "born" or possibly "first or second generation". we could require that a rs state the precise phrase, or infer it from meeting the criteria of the consensus defintion. any of those is fine with me, as long as it is achieved through consensus and not arbitrarily applied to just a few categories. this kind of haphazardness causes blp problems in itself. for instance, Category:Russian-American Jews was recently changed to state: "born in Russia" but still contains bella azbug, richard brooks and saul bellow - and probably more - none of whom were born in russia. my suggestion is to open an rfc for ethnic categories in general and let the community decide how to define all of these and the criteria for inclusion, untwirl( talk) 19:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Real Surname her dad is Tomchin!!! Tomchin is typical RUSSIAN surname! http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000213/bio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.179.84.157 ( talk) 18:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey everyone, i edited winona ryder's filmography, which earlier showed a "bollywood" movie named welcome and said it was directed by kirsten dunst, oh please, so i edited it and the filmography section is messed up, so if anyone can help get it right, it would be nice..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amijeet ( talk • contribs) 06:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I added information that Winona's grandfather is Israel Horowitz, an American record producer who was born in New York City in 1916, who was already listed in Wikipedia. So he was not born in Russia. I get the sense that Winona, bless her heart, might not be the best source for encyclopedia information on her family. In another article she said that her grandmother was 99 years old. I gathered from the article that this information was dated approximately 1999, because it indicated that Winona was 28 at the time. That would mean that her grandmother was born in 1900 and was 16 years older than her husband. Anything is possible. Someone might want to look at it more closely. Pamdhiga ( talk) 02:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
After trying to find a definition in several English-language dictionaries, I was compelled to delete the mysterious "120 ha" parenthetical that appears after "300 acres" (ctrl-f either phrase), but when I opened the article to edit I was faced with this even more mysterious tag: {{convert|300|acre|ha|adj=on}}. Obviously there's hoodoo going on here with which I'm not familiar, but unless someone can explain it I'm tempted still to delete it, because I'm afraid of magic I do not understand. Not to mention units of measurement that don't belong in the "en." version of WP. But I also don't want to be an ass, so I'd like to wait and see whether someone can clear this up for me. Love, Sugarbat ( talk) 21:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Would this (licensed CC-BY) suffice as a replacement image for this article? To supplant the current image depicting two separate people. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 01:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
The overall tone of the lead section feels too emotional, with sentences like this: "...after appearing in numerous critically acclaimed, box office successes, Ryder emerged as one of the most celebrated actresses of her generation." And the source pointed to a uncheckable "bio". (BTW, I don't see something like "one of the most celebrated actresses of her generation" written on Kate Winslet's page.) Then there's the concluding sentence: "Ryder returned to the screen which prompted several media outlets to call her performance "a remarkable comeback" to acting." It's actually just two. I think it's best that we stick to the "facts". - Artoasis ( talk) 07:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
No mention of her dating Dave Pirner? This was major news in the 90s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.23.18 ( talk) 04:59, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
What's with this Judaocentric trend to include in every biography on wikipedia sentences like "X describes themselves as Jewish because they once said ____" They could once describe themselves as a pterodactyl, we're not going to put "Winona Ryder once said she was a pterodactyl." The woman is half Jewish by ethnicity. She doesn't appear to be a serious adherent to any specific religion. Why is that not enough? Why do we have to include every ludicrous detail about this person's introspective identity? It's a wikipedia biography, not a Freudian psychoanalytic essay on the woman. 96.251.79.147 ( talk) 22:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I am not a specialist but as a fan of Julia Roberts I am almost convinced that the picture in the middle is of Julia not Winona Ryder. Please correct it if I am right.
There are many comparisons in this film that are prevalent to today, and religeons spawning from ancient books. There are two books that have been used for what is not sound to a human being, yet no one reports things this way. Many seem to have sold fears, and others perceive that they are needed, instead of proving what is sound psychologically. Kabbalah is a relative form of Mysticism that brings many results, and can be proven psychologically to improve outlooks for those with mental troubles. 69.96.8.3 ( talk) 12:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)