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Before this devolves into argumentative minutia, I propose the following - Let's look at the top ten mobile apps, and list whether or not they are present, or are planned to be present, on the platform? This is of obvious GREAT value to the reader. Of course, we should exclude from that list mobile apps do not appear on two or more of the major platforms. MbdSeattle ( talk) 18:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Changed title to reflect actual goal of the proposed removal of information about widely used application(s) that are not or will not be present on the Windows Phone 7 platform. MbdSeattle ( talk) 18:15, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Normally I'd just edit this out and see if it causes trouble, but since this article has become so touchy I'm bringing it up here first. Here's the current section:
The last paragraph doesn't seem to be particularly fitting in the application section. It seems to be more of a feature, or belong under security or some other section. Not sure which so let me know what you guys think.
I'm also concerned about the sentence about the specific apps that are mentioned. Guitar Hero and UNO are alright I suppose because they are specific examples of a feature and app platform that is being talked about. However, the Pandora one seems like should be deleted. This isn't a list of apps for Windows Phone 7 and it certainly isn't a list of apps that Windows Phone 7 doesn't have. I find that the fact that it was announced to be coming at launch but has since been cancelled to be irrelevant. I mean, if a video game was going to be released on the PC but then was cancelled, you wouldn't put "Though Starlancer 2 was announced for the PC, it has since been cancelled" into the computer, PC, or Windows article. Let me know what you guys think. Captain Stack (talk) 10:12, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand the purpose of this "list". What makes Pandora Radio or some other applications so relevant? I went to Europe and nobody has heard of Pandora Radio. Windows Phone 7 has many other radio apps such as "Last.fm" and "Slacker Radio" which are my favorites. Also, there is no shortage of "negative information": the article list that Windows Phone 7 is missing XYZ features, some of which I do not think WP7 even need. CaptainStack is right and that everybody was getting along fine until you show up. Yes, you are free to edit, but why do you feel such need to fight those editors whom have come before you? Illegal Operation ( talk) 00:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Some of the long lists of partners and devices are likely for search-engine optimization rather than for providing reader value.
These should be pared down to a shorter list of major partners or devices, and maybe a count, but a link to any and every launch partner and device, regardless of significance, amounts to WP:SPAM.
Any objections? If not, I'll clean these up in the next day or so. MbdSeattle ( talk) 19:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Internet Explorer Mobile article is severely neglected. As a core experience of Windows Phone 7, I feel that it is of vital importance that the article be restructured. It is a big task, however, and I cannot do this alone. Therefore, I am requestion assistance for the clean-up at Internet Explorer Mobile article. Illegal Operation ( talk) 06:14, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
IE7 Mobile "mobile mode": Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows Phone OS 7.0; Trident/3.1; IEMobile/7.0; <DeviceManufacturer>; <DeviceModel>)
IE7 Mobile "desktop mode": Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.1; XBLWP7; ZuneWP7)
Illegal Operation (
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22:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Windows Mobile was basically renamed Windows Phone. You'll even find that some of Microsoft's Windows Mobile 6.5 ads were advertised as 'Windows Phone'. Thus, both Windows Mobile and Windows Phone 7 should be combinded to create one article named Windows Phone. Mackenziepricee ( talk) 02:11, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
The "Applications" section is too overly technical. In fact, it's so technical that probably only Windows Phone 7 apps developers understand what is written. I propose a restructuring. We can probably move some of the information from the Windows Phone Marketplace aricle. Illegal Operation ( talk) 23:38, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok so this has been thrown around a lot before but I'm going to ask again if people think that the Reception section should be deleted. To me, the praise and criticism seems very general and uninteresting. "The keyboard is great!" "There's too much sliding!" "The OS is unique!". I don't know why anyone cares. Also, I don't think any other mobile OS articles, or even full OS articles have a reception section. There could be one or two exceptions to this, but I don't think it's very common. I think this section should be completely deleted. What does everyone else think? Captain Stack (talk) 10:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Let’s author and evolve the section content here prior to publish it on the article page. The recurring content from other sections will be removed. -- Pak1standby ( talk) 09:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
There is a silly edit war between User:Illegal Operation and myself about the start page screenshot used in the article. The start page of WP7 is almost 4 tiles tall with the bottom tiles cut around were the text is, see this for example File:Samsung Focus.jpg. I'm sorry but I feel this user has ownership issues with this article -- Chris Ssk talk 00:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
I made a userbox for Windows Phone 7 devices similar to the ones available for the iPhone, Nokia, Antroid etc... If anyone would like to add it to his/her userpage the code is {{ User:Chris Ssk/userboxes/WP7|insert phone name here}} and it give you:
![]() | This user owns a(n) insert phone name here Windows Phone. |
-- Chris Ssk talk 20:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Apparently some Windows Phone 7 devices have 256MB RAM as oppose to the originally believe 512MB. As a result, I am asking that anyone else who have a Windows Phone 7 device to download the "device info" app and post how much RAM he/she has. Keep in mind that the actual RAM available is slightly above the reading (as the OS also uses some RAM). -- Illegal Operation ( talk) 23:49, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Windows Phone 7's kernel may had started as Windows CE 6.0 R3 but it isn't that at all now. It is Windows Embedded Compact 7. It started as Windows CE 6.0 R3 while Windows Embedded Compact 7 was almost nothing, but after changing the kernel to the team's liking and adding on everything else, certain parts made it into Windows Embedded Compact 7. So it would make sense to say that it reflects Windows Embedded Compact 7, not what it started with - Windows CE 6.0 R3. For more information about this. http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/04/windows-phone-7-based-on-a-hybrid-windows-ce-6-compact-7-kerne/
-- Electricjolt ( talk) 23:52, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Apparently Chris Ssk is deleting a number of images even though they are already under a non-free license. This includes the following images: File:Dell Venue Pro.png File: HTC Surround.png File:HTC Trophy.png File:HTC Mozart.png File:LG Quantum.png File:Samsung Focus.png -- Illegal Operation ( talk) 16:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone considered discussing Microsoft's unwillingness to reveal specific sales figures for Windows Phone 7 devices? In his blog post The first rule of Windows Phone 7 sales is you do not talk about Windows Phone 7 sales, Network World's Jon Brodkin (a colleague) reports that Microsoft says it is "pleased with the response" to Phone 7 but refuses to provide specific numbers. [1] This is in marked contrast to its eagerness to disclose specific sales of Windows 7 and Microsoft Office 2010 or downloads of the IE9 beta. OakleyCA ( talk) 19:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)OakleyCA Dec. 17, 2010 OakleyCA ( talk) 19:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
If the consensus of the group is that we hold off on reporting on sales, so be it; I'll respect that. It may be better to revisit this issue after the OS has been in the market for longer, particularly if we can get third party reports on sales from industry research firms, such as for the fourth quarter of 2010 or the first quarter of 2011. However, to Illegal Operation's point, Microsoft only reported sales of 1.5 million units "to manufacturers" in the first six weeks. That is not the same as sales to consumers. It's legitimate to pursue this as a news story,especially, as I said, in contrast to Microsoft eagerly sharing specific sales figures on popular products. But as to whether it's worthy of a Wikipedia entry, I'll respectfully leave that to others more experienced in the Wikipedia community. OakleyCA ( talk)Jan. 11, 2011. —Preceding undated comment added 05:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC).
Ok so the features section has just been getting worse. It has too many sections and some are really irrelevant. I think we can maybe migrate some content into an all encompassing User Interface section and do away with content regarding maps, search (or perhaps add a short section on Bing integration), text input, multimedia, contacts, email, and anything else that seems like it goes way too in depth or sounds like an ad. Overall, the features section needs to SLIM DOWN. Captain Stack (talk) 23:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
There has been a pattern on this page of the suppression of negative information regarding the Windows Phone 7 platform.
As a proposed solution, let's rise above the fray and work here, collaboratively, on a set of criteria, on which we can all agree, against which the presence of the information can be tested. Let's do this in a general sense, and speak only of a generic product. Perhaps this could be the beginning of a set of guidelines for company and product pages, where the motivations of active users are often in opposition to the goals of WikiPedia and the interests of readers. There have been no shortage of both pro and con "search engine optimization" firms, PR firms, insiders, and fans, editing this page. There's got to be a way to manage this kind of situation.
As a start, let's develop a set of broad categories for the criteria.
"Negative information" doesn't mean it's unacceptable. For Example:
Acceptable criticism: "There seems to be too much flipping, sliding, fold over animations, and lengthy times of loading when launch things like the Marketplace"
Unacceptable criticism: "Windows Phone 7 is now failing both its intended customers and the company's historic customers" Illegal Operation ( talk) 00:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm just curious. If an insider edits this page in the days leading up to an earnings report, is that a crime? This is purely hypothetical. Any appearance of applicability to actual edit events by actual editors is just a coincidence. MbdSeattle ( talk) 04:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
From a reader: Came here to read up on the unexplained data transmission cases some users are experiencing with the phone. No mention of it in the article. One would think it an important thing to mention under the circumstances. (of it being a thing that costs money to run). I agree, this whole article looks like it could have been written by Microsoft. It is so squeaky clean. Doesn't look balanced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.186.10.43 ( talk) 13:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I found the following text on CaptainStack's page: "Once everything calms down. I'll give the head nod once lester lets go of his hold on the article. Soon though because "we" out number him Four, five to one. --intelati(Call) 03:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)" This doesn't seem like good faith editing? IRWolfie- ( talk) 22:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Under the submission section, the sentence: "The submitted applications undergoe an approval process for verifications and validations to check if they qualify the applications standardization criteria set by Microsoft" has a typo (specifically, undergoe). 76.121.138.201 ( talk) 23:23, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
There appear to be some confusion. First, the source was talking about the United States. Second, the phones were launched close to mid-November. Illegal Operation ( talk) 16:20, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
{{ edit semi-protected}} Please add the following paragraph to section 2.11 called "Software Updates." The text below should be added to the second paragraph in that section, just following the first (and only) sentence in that paragraph, which currently states, "Microsoft plans to regularly ship minor updates that add missing features, such as copy and paste, throughout the year, and major updates once a year." The text to add after this sentence is:
On February 4, 2011, Microsoft announced that the Windows Phone Developer Tools would be updated to support the forthcoming features to be added through the first Windows Phone 7 OS update. While announcing the updated developer tools, Microsoft told developers that most of their applications would not be required to be recompiled or resubmitted due to the upcoming update. These features include “copy and paste, improved app performance and other enhancements.” [2] The application improvements are expected to be primarily focused on decreasing app load times. [3] Microsoft has not publicly set a date for the update, saying only that it is expected “in the next few months.” [4]
Thank you Smithbc8 ( talk) 20:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Done. Seems reasonable.
A Quest For Knowledge (
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20:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Apparently somebody is claiming that Windows Phone 7 is selling poorly because of something said, yet I disagree. LG's mobile division is doing poorly as a whole and is losing money. Illegal Operation ( talk) 01:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Enemenemu ( talk) 18:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
This article has restricted access, therefore I cannot edit a misspelling. Can someone plesae fix the word "Microsoft" in the second paragraph under the heading "Marketplace" > "Music and Videos". Thank you!
I'm not sure if that section is really necessary. Pretty much every feature mentioned in this section is already mentioned in the respective specific sections (HTML 5 and hardware acceleration is mentioned under web browsing, Twitter mentioned under Contacts, and Skydrive integration is mentioned under Office. I've long said that I think this article is bloated enough so I vote we axe this section. Captain Stack (talk) 22:05, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
No Greek or other virtual kbd layouts. Sad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.132.79 ( talk) 17:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Per WP:BRD, I've reverted the following bold edit. [1] The cited reason for the deletion was "Wikipedia doesn't document every announcement/update/problem with a platform." I agree that we shouldn't document every update. But as for now, I think that it's important to list the current status of the software. This is important information that I think our readers will want to know. After MS has resolved the issue and it's not longer a problem, then I agree we can remove it. But for now, let's explain the current status of the software. A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 12:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
The following paragraph should be remove. It saids absolutely nothing except about the product except "Yes, it's selling well; no, it's not selling well" nonsense.
Microsoft reported on December 21, 2010 that in the first 6 weeks phone manufacturers sold 1.5 million Windows Phone 7 devices to mobile operators and retailers. On January 26, 2011 Microsoft stated that in the 4th quarter of 2010 it had sold more than 2 million Windows Phone 7 licenses for phones, which manufacturers had delivered to mobile operators and retailers. In January 2011, LG reported about its own handsets: "From an industry perspective we had a high expectation, but from a consumer point of view the visibility is less than we expected". At CEBIT Preview, Deutsche Telekom told Yahoo that its Windows Phone 7 handsets are selling better than expected. According to NPD Group, a group specialized in films, movies, and video games, Windows Phone 7 achieved a market-share of 2% among smartphones sold to consumers in the United States, 2 months after release, in the 4th quarter of 2010. On February 2, 2011, T-Mobile USA said of Windows Phone 7: "The customers are very satisfied with the experience. We’ve done well with the devices that we sold.” On the 15th February 2011 Omar Khan, Chief Strategy Officer at Samsung Telecommunications America, said Samsung’s Focus handset, which was launched on AT&T last November along with a handful of other Windows Phone 7 devices, has sold well, but did not provide specific sales figures. “We feel fairly confident in our Windows Phone portfolio,” he said.
Illegal Operation (
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04:34, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I do agree that balance is needed. An even balance. Quilnux ( talk) 15:17, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
I have to agree that there has not been very much negative feedback, in general, for WP7. From a practical point of view, everyone that I know, that I show my WP7 to, is very impressed. several even want to switch from Android and iPhone for WP7. Even the most dedicated Apple fans that I know have been impressed with WP7, although they would never depart from Apple. The only negative information I've been able to really find about WP7 is the delay in the recent update. When you take that away everything else has been positive. But I look at it from a consumer/practical point of view, not the media's point of view. Rarely does the media align to the real oppinion. I trust the oppinion of friends and family over that of media. Nonetheless, people will disagree with me on this and thats fine. We are all entitled to our oppinion. Quilnux ( talk) 15:11, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
The "Reception" section was probably written by Microsoft's marketing department, as it links only to wildly positive reviews. There has been some very negative reception and a number of more neutral reviews that should probably be added. LinuxDeveloper ( talk) 16:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
It also seems LG so far hasn't been impressed with the demand for Phone 7 for example. - http://www.worldtech24.com/windows/lg-disappointed-windows-phone-7-sales 24.56.37.131 ( talk) 07:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
SOMEONE: Please, unlock the article, it is written like an adverstisement, there are no hardware specifications, please let the community modify this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.13.40.131 ( talk) 11:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.99.114 ( talk) 21:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Seriously people, this article reads just like a sales brochure. It is simply not balanced. Nothing can be as good as this article would have you believe. Be impartial, be balanced. There are many aspects to WP7 which have a negative impact, and problems which those reading should be informed about in a proper article. Looking through the comments in this discussion it is clear that this is not a personal feeling but rather smacking of the obvious. I have nothing for or against WP7 but I do care about Wikipedia being edited professionally. This fails in that respect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.231.26.42 ( talk) 10:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Considering that Joe Belfiore confirmed here ( http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Counting-Down-to-Mix/Countdown-to-MIX11-Joe-Belfiore-Talks-Phone) that the updates are indeed code name "NoDo" and "Mango", should we be using those names in the Wikipedia article? Illegal Operation ( talk) 02:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't that be "copy and paste" only? As far as I'm aware, the NoDo update does not include the ability to CUT. -- Cumbiagermen ( talk) 05:00, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
A while ago I changed a part of the text from silverlight 4 to "a WP7 specific version of Silverlight", as it is clearly incorrect, see this article at Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN). Somehow this got reverted though, so I'm asking anyone with a user account to edit this back (after verifying ofcourse). Also don't be fooled by the current reference. The Silverlight 4 tools are needed as with this version some features we're introduced that make it way easier to develop (besides enabling some backported features in WP7-Silverlight). -- 213.154.239.254 ( talk) 08:23, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Hey, just wanted to get going on the partnership with Nokia. I think that it naturally fits under "History". Everyone thinks that this is worthy of its own section right? Captain Stack (talk) 10:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok I added the section. I think it's pretty solid but please read/edit/improve it. Captain Stack (talk) 21:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Umm, I don't think Windows Phone 7 was specifically ever mentioned during the keynote for this partnership, just 'Windows Phone' which could mean any future version, not neccessarily 'Windows Phone 7'. Here's the article that I picked it up from: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/no-windows-phone-7-for-nokia-no-really-/11439 Antonyh3 ( talk) 10:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
There's been a bit of controversy about the "Partnership With Nokia" section as well as the Bloomberg quote within it. The two controversies are whether or not the section should exist at all, and if it should, whether or not Bloomberg's estimate of the money exchange between companies should be included. It is my stance that since Microsoft and Nokia announced the deal and it's a huge deal to both companies, the section should exist. However, Bloomberg's estimate is speculation. The cited article claims that its source is "two people with knowledge of the terms." To me, this is not acceptable citation and therefore doesn't belong in the article. Please post how you feel here to help prevent an edit war. Captain Stack (talk) 23:04, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I did some searching and discovered that Windows Phone 7 supports USSD 1, but does not allow use of a keypad 2 3. To say that "USSD messages" are unsupported is slightly inaccurate. -- Btx40 ( talk) 17:25, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this timeline is sort of stupid and ought to be removed? It's not a very good "timeline" because the ticks on the timeline do not uniformly correspond to time (1 cm is one month is some spots and many more months in others). It's also taking up a lot of space and occasionally makes the layout of the page weird. I really just don't think it gives particularly interesting information. Also, the information will become very dated unless the graphic is continually updated, but then it will get very long and awkward to put in the page. I nominate this image for deletion, what do you guys think? Captain Stack (talk) 08:11, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
1280x800, which I think the problem may have actually been not enough horizontal pixles so it did a weird stacking thing. Probably depends on screen size, resolution, and width of the window you're using. Issue seems gone now, so I'll leave the graphic up for now. If other people think it should be taken down though, I'll support them. Captain Stack (talk) 01:50, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
The section contains random information that claims to be "missing", yet I don't understand how this is valid. Since it list "missing" features, unlimited things that Windows Phone 7 is not can be listed. Plenty of information listed isn't even in the iOS yet I don't see the iOS article. Illegal Operation ( talk) 03:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
The "Release History" section lists Mexico and Spain as part of South America. It also lists New Zealand as part of Europe. Geography fail. While we're at it, "PAL" is not a continent, and "Middle East" is not a country! (What Middle East countries has it actually launched in?) And how do PAL/NTSC broadcast television regions pertain to Windows Phone 7, anyway? If the table uses the old PAL region terminology, then many of the other countries in the table should also be under PAL. Matthew 81.159.146.232 ( talk) 18:21, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys. As long as its existed, I've had problems with the Reception section. I've always thought that it seems to be more about the fact that this reviewer liked WP7 or that another didn't rather than about reveiwers specific praise and criticism of the OS. I've whipped up a draft of what I consider to be an improvement over the Reception section. It's more about content and less about praise/criticism. I haven't added citations yet so it will be a while before this is ready for prime time, but I'd like to see what you guys think before I put much more work into it. Anyways, let me know. Captain Stack (talk) 02:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Moved to article.
http://gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/24/6707681-whats-new-in-mango-the-next-version-of-windows-phone. I'm not sure how much of it needs to go into the main article.
Following are the details of mango update I got fromCommunications
Among Mango's communications-oriented features are some enhancements to the way you'll get updates and maneuver through texts, chats, emails, IMs, and other messages:
•Threads. Switch between text, Facebook chat and Windows Live Messenger within the same conversation. •Groups. Group contacts into personalized Live Tiles to see the latest status updates right from the Start Screen and quickly send a text, email or IM to the whole group. •Deeper social network integration. Twitter and LinkedIn feeds are now integrated into contact cards, and “Mango” includes built-in Facebook check-ins and new face detection software that makes it easier to quickly tag photos and post to the Web. •Linked inbox. See multiple email accounts in one linked inbox. Conversations are organized to make it easy to stay on top of the latest mail. •Hands-free messaging. Built-in voice-to-text and text-to-voice support enables hands-free texting or chatting.
Apps
With Mango, Microsoft is attempting to integrate apps "directly into the core experience of the phone." In plain terms, this means that app notifications will get more prominent spots on the start screen and be included in search results— oh and they'll get multitasking support:
•App Connect. By connecting apps to search results and deepening their integration with Windows Phone Hubs, including Music and Video and Pictures, “Mango” allows apps to be surfaced when and where they make sense. •Improved Live Tiles. Get real-time information from apps without having to open them. Live Tiles can be more dynamic and hold more information. •Multitasking. Quickly switch between apps in use and allow apps to run in the background, helping to preserve battery life and performance.
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Internet
Microsoft says that it is trying to take the Internet "beyond the browser," and apparently what it means is that it will give Windows Phone a speed update with Internet Explorer 9 and better integrate apps and device features with the browser:
•Internet Explorer 9. A browser based on the powerful Internet Explorer 9 and including support for HTML5 and full hardware acceleration. •Local Scout. Provides hyperlocal search results and recommends nearby restaurants, shopping and activities in an easy-to-use guide. •Bing on Windows Phone. More ways to search the Web, including Bing Vision, Music Search and Voice so it’s easy to discover and decide. •Quick Cards. When searching for a product, movie, event or place, see a quick summary of relevant information, including related apps
-Abhishikt 01:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
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Before this devolves into argumentative minutia, I propose the following - Let's look at the top ten mobile apps, and list whether or not they are present, or are planned to be present, on the platform? This is of obvious GREAT value to the reader. Of course, we should exclude from that list mobile apps do not appear on two or more of the major platforms. MbdSeattle ( talk) 18:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Changed title to reflect actual goal of the proposed removal of information about widely used application(s) that are not or will not be present on the Windows Phone 7 platform. MbdSeattle ( talk) 18:15, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Normally I'd just edit this out and see if it causes trouble, but since this article has become so touchy I'm bringing it up here first. Here's the current section:
The last paragraph doesn't seem to be particularly fitting in the application section. It seems to be more of a feature, or belong under security or some other section. Not sure which so let me know what you guys think.
I'm also concerned about the sentence about the specific apps that are mentioned. Guitar Hero and UNO are alright I suppose because they are specific examples of a feature and app platform that is being talked about. However, the Pandora one seems like should be deleted. This isn't a list of apps for Windows Phone 7 and it certainly isn't a list of apps that Windows Phone 7 doesn't have. I find that the fact that it was announced to be coming at launch but has since been cancelled to be irrelevant. I mean, if a video game was going to be released on the PC but then was cancelled, you wouldn't put "Though Starlancer 2 was announced for the PC, it has since been cancelled" into the computer, PC, or Windows article. Let me know what you guys think. Captain Stack (talk) 10:12, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand the purpose of this "list". What makes Pandora Radio or some other applications so relevant? I went to Europe and nobody has heard of Pandora Radio. Windows Phone 7 has many other radio apps such as "Last.fm" and "Slacker Radio" which are my favorites. Also, there is no shortage of "negative information": the article list that Windows Phone 7 is missing XYZ features, some of which I do not think WP7 even need. CaptainStack is right and that everybody was getting along fine until you show up. Yes, you are free to edit, but why do you feel such need to fight those editors whom have come before you? Illegal Operation ( talk) 00:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Some of the long lists of partners and devices are likely for search-engine optimization rather than for providing reader value.
These should be pared down to a shorter list of major partners or devices, and maybe a count, but a link to any and every launch partner and device, regardless of significance, amounts to WP:SPAM.
Any objections? If not, I'll clean these up in the next day or so. MbdSeattle ( talk) 19:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Internet Explorer Mobile article is severely neglected. As a core experience of Windows Phone 7, I feel that it is of vital importance that the article be restructured. It is a big task, however, and I cannot do this alone. Therefore, I am requestion assistance for the clean-up at Internet Explorer Mobile article. Illegal Operation ( talk) 06:14, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
IE7 Mobile "mobile mode": Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows Phone OS 7.0; Trident/3.1; IEMobile/7.0; <DeviceManufacturer>; <DeviceModel>)
IE7 Mobile "desktop mode": Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.1; XBLWP7; ZuneWP7)
Illegal Operation (
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22:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Windows Mobile was basically renamed Windows Phone. You'll even find that some of Microsoft's Windows Mobile 6.5 ads were advertised as 'Windows Phone'. Thus, both Windows Mobile and Windows Phone 7 should be combinded to create one article named Windows Phone. Mackenziepricee ( talk) 02:11, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
The "Applications" section is too overly technical. In fact, it's so technical that probably only Windows Phone 7 apps developers understand what is written. I propose a restructuring. We can probably move some of the information from the Windows Phone Marketplace aricle. Illegal Operation ( talk) 23:38, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok so this has been thrown around a lot before but I'm going to ask again if people think that the Reception section should be deleted. To me, the praise and criticism seems very general and uninteresting. "The keyboard is great!" "There's too much sliding!" "The OS is unique!". I don't know why anyone cares. Also, I don't think any other mobile OS articles, or even full OS articles have a reception section. There could be one or two exceptions to this, but I don't think it's very common. I think this section should be completely deleted. What does everyone else think? Captain Stack (talk) 10:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Let’s author and evolve the section content here prior to publish it on the article page. The recurring content from other sections will be removed. -- Pak1standby ( talk) 09:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
There is a silly edit war between User:Illegal Operation and myself about the start page screenshot used in the article. The start page of WP7 is almost 4 tiles tall with the bottom tiles cut around were the text is, see this for example File:Samsung Focus.jpg. I'm sorry but I feel this user has ownership issues with this article -- Chris Ssk talk 00:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
I made a userbox for Windows Phone 7 devices similar to the ones available for the iPhone, Nokia, Antroid etc... If anyone would like to add it to his/her userpage the code is {{ User:Chris Ssk/userboxes/WP7|insert phone name here}} and it give you:
![]() | This user owns a(n) insert phone name here Windows Phone. |
-- Chris Ssk talk 20:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Apparently some Windows Phone 7 devices have 256MB RAM as oppose to the originally believe 512MB. As a result, I am asking that anyone else who have a Windows Phone 7 device to download the "device info" app and post how much RAM he/she has. Keep in mind that the actual RAM available is slightly above the reading (as the OS also uses some RAM). -- Illegal Operation ( talk) 23:49, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Windows Phone 7's kernel may had started as Windows CE 6.0 R3 but it isn't that at all now. It is Windows Embedded Compact 7. It started as Windows CE 6.0 R3 while Windows Embedded Compact 7 was almost nothing, but after changing the kernel to the team's liking and adding on everything else, certain parts made it into Windows Embedded Compact 7. So it would make sense to say that it reflects Windows Embedded Compact 7, not what it started with - Windows CE 6.0 R3. For more information about this. http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/04/windows-phone-7-based-on-a-hybrid-windows-ce-6-compact-7-kerne/
-- Electricjolt ( talk) 23:52, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Apparently Chris Ssk is deleting a number of images even though they are already under a non-free license. This includes the following images: File:Dell Venue Pro.png File: HTC Surround.png File:HTC Trophy.png File:HTC Mozart.png File:LG Quantum.png File:Samsung Focus.png -- Illegal Operation ( talk) 16:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone considered discussing Microsoft's unwillingness to reveal specific sales figures for Windows Phone 7 devices? In his blog post The first rule of Windows Phone 7 sales is you do not talk about Windows Phone 7 sales, Network World's Jon Brodkin (a colleague) reports that Microsoft says it is "pleased with the response" to Phone 7 but refuses to provide specific numbers. [1] This is in marked contrast to its eagerness to disclose specific sales of Windows 7 and Microsoft Office 2010 or downloads of the IE9 beta. OakleyCA ( talk) 19:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)OakleyCA Dec. 17, 2010 OakleyCA ( talk) 19:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
If the consensus of the group is that we hold off on reporting on sales, so be it; I'll respect that. It may be better to revisit this issue after the OS has been in the market for longer, particularly if we can get third party reports on sales from industry research firms, such as for the fourth quarter of 2010 or the first quarter of 2011. However, to Illegal Operation's point, Microsoft only reported sales of 1.5 million units "to manufacturers" in the first six weeks. That is not the same as sales to consumers. It's legitimate to pursue this as a news story,especially, as I said, in contrast to Microsoft eagerly sharing specific sales figures on popular products. But as to whether it's worthy of a Wikipedia entry, I'll respectfully leave that to others more experienced in the Wikipedia community. OakleyCA ( talk)Jan. 11, 2011. —Preceding undated comment added 05:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC).
Ok so the features section has just been getting worse. It has too many sections and some are really irrelevant. I think we can maybe migrate some content into an all encompassing User Interface section and do away with content regarding maps, search (or perhaps add a short section on Bing integration), text input, multimedia, contacts, email, and anything else that seems like it goes way too in depth or sounds like an ad. Overall, the features section needs to SLIM DOWN. Captain Stack (talk) 23:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
There has been a pattern on this page of the suppression of negative information regarding the Windows Phone 7 platform.
As a proposed solution, let's rise above the fray and work here, collaboratively, on a set of criteria, on which we can all agree, against which the presence of the information can be tested. Let's do this in a general sense, and speak only of a generic product. Perhaps this could be the beginning of a set of guidelines for company and product pages, where the motivations of active users are often in opposition to the goals of WikiPedia and the interests of readers. There have been no shortage of both pro and con "search engine optimization" firms, PR firms, insiders, and fans, editing this page. There's got to be a way to manage this kind of situation.
As a start, let's develop a set of broad categories for the criteria.
"Negative information" doesn't mean it's unacceptable. For Example:
Acceptable criticism: "There seems to be too much flipping, sliding, fold over animations, and lengthy times of loading when launch things like the Marketplace"
Unacceptable criticism: "Windows Phone 7 is now failing both its intended customers and the company's historic customers" Illegal Operation ( talk) 00:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm just curious. If an insider edits this page in the days leading up to an earnings report, is that a crime? This is purely hypothetical. Any appearance of applicability to actual edit events by actual editors is just a coincidence. MbdSeattle ( talk) 04:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
From a reader: Came here to read up on the unexplained data transmission cases some users are experiencing with the phone. No mention of it in the article. One would think it an important thing to mention under the circumstances. (of it being a thing that costs money to run). I agree, this whole article looks like it could have been written by Microsoft. It is so squeaky clean. Doesn't look balanced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.186.10.43 ( talk) 13:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I found the following text on CaptainStack's page: "Once everything calms down. I'll give the head nod once lester lets go of his hold on the article. Soon though because "we" out number him Four, five to one. --intelati(Call) 03:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)" This doesn't seem like good faith editing? IRWolfie- ( talk) 22:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Under the submission section, the sentence: "The submitted applications undergoe an approval process for verifications and validations to check if they qualify the applications standardization criteria set by Microsoft" has a typo (specifically, undergoe). 76.121.138.201 ( talk) 23:23, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
There appear to be some confusion. First, the source was talking about the United States. Second, the phones were launched close to mid-November. Illegal Operation ( talk) 16:20, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
{{ edit semi-protected}} Please add the following paragraph to section 2.11 called "Software Updates." The text below should be added to the second paragraph in that section, just following the first (and only) sentence in that paragraph, which currently states, "Microsoft plans to regularly ship minor updates that add missing features, such as copy and paste, throughout the year, and major updates once a year." The text to add after this sentence is:
On February 4, 2011, Microsoft announced that the Windows Phone Developer Tools would be updated to support the forthcoming features to be added through the first Windows Phone 7 OS update. While announcing the updated developer tools, Microsoft told developers that most of their applications would not be required to be recompiled or resubmitted due to the upcoming update. These features include “copy and paste, improved app performance and other enhancements.” [2] The application improvements are expected to be primarily focused on decreasing app load times. [3] Microsoft has not publicly set a date for the update, saying only that it is expected “in the next few months.” [4]
Thank you Smithbc8 ( talk) 20:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Done. Seems reasonable.
A Quest For Knowledge (
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20:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Apparently somebody is claiming that Windows Phone 7 is selling poorly because of something said, yet I disagree. LG's mobile division is doing poorly as a whole and is losing money. Illegal Operation ( talk) 01:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Enemenemu ( talk) 18:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
This article has restricted access, therefore I cannot edit a misspelling. Can someone plesae fix the word "Microsoft" in the second paragraph under the heading "Marketplace" > "Music and Videos". Thank you!
I'm not sure if that section is really necessary. Pretty much every feature mentioned in this section is already mentioned in the respective specific sections (HTML 5 and hardware acceleration is mentioned under web browsing, Twitter mentioned under Contacts, and Skydrive integration is mentioned under Office. I've long said that I think this article is bloated enough so I vote we axe this section. Captain Stack (talk) 22:05, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
No Greek or other virtual kbd layouts. Sad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.132.79 ( talk) 17:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Per WP:BRD, I've reverted the following bold edit. [1] The cited reason for the deletion was "Wikipedia doesn't document every announcement/update/problem with a platform." I agree that we shouldn't document every update. But as for now, I think that it's important to list the current status of the software. This is important information that I think our readers will want to know. After MS has resolved the issue and it's not longer a problem, then I agree we can remove it. But for now, let's explain the current status of the software. A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 12:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
The following paragraph should be remove. It saids absolutely nothing except about the product except "Yes, it's selling well; no, it's not selling well" nonsense.
Microsoft reported on December 21, 2010 that in the first 6 weeks phone manufacturers sold 1.5 million Windows Phone 7 devices to mobile operators and retailers. On January 26, 2011 Microsoft stated that in the 4th quarter of 2010 it had sold more than 2 million Windows Phone 7 licenses for phones, which manufacturers had delivered to mobile operators and retailers. In January 2011, LG reported about its own handsets: "From an industry perspective we had a high expectation, but from a consumer point of view the visibility is less than we expected". At CEBIT Preview, Deutsche Telekom told Yahoo that its Windows Phone 7 handsets are selling better than expected. According to NPD Group, a group specialized in films, movies, and video games, Windows Phone 7 achieved a market-share of 2% among smartphones sold to consumers in the United States, 2 months after release, in the 4th quarter of 2010. On February 2, 2011, T-Mobile USA said of Windows Phone 7: "The customers are very satisfied with the experience. We’ve done well with the devices that we sold.” On the 15th February 2011 Omar Khan, Chief Strategy Officer at Samsung Telecommunications America, said Samsung’s Focus handset, which was launched on AT&T last November along with a handful of other Windows Phone 7 devices, has sold well, but did not provide specific sales figures. “We feel fairly confident in our Windows Phone portfolio,” he said.
Illegal Operation (
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I do agree that balance is needed. An even balance. Quilnux ( talk) 15:17, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
I have to agree that there has not been very much negative feedback, in general, for WP7. From a practical point of view, everyone that I know, that I show my WP7 to, is very impressed. several even want to switch from Android and iPhone for WP7. Even the most dedicated Apple fans that I know have been impressed with WP7, although they would never depart from Apple. The only negative information I've been able to really find about WP7 is the delay in the recent update. When you take that away everything else has been positive. But I look at it from a consumer/practical point of view, not the media's point of view. Rarely does the media align to the real oppinion. I trust the oppinion of friends and family over that of media. Nonetheless, people will disagree with me on this and thats fine. We are all entitled to our oppinion. Quilnux ( talk) 15:11, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
The "Reception" section was probably written by Microsoft's marketing department, as it links only to wildly positive reviews. There has been some very negative reception and a number of more neutral reviews that should probably be added. LinuxDeveloper ( talk) 16:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
It also seems LG so far hasn't been impressed with the demand for Phone 7 for example. - http://www.worldtech24.com/windows/lg-disappointed-windows-phone-7-sales 24.56.37.131 ( talk) 07:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
SOMEONE: Please, unlock the article, it is written like an adverstisement, there are no hardware specifications, please let the community modify this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.13.40.131 ( talk) 11:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.99.114 ( talk) 21:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Seriously people, this article reads just like a sales brochure. It is simply not balanced. Nothing can be as good as this article would have you believe. Be impartial, be balanced. There are many aspects to WP7 which have a negative impact, and problems which those reading should be informed about in a proper article. Looking through the comments in this discussion it is clear that this is not a personal feeling but rather smacking of the obvious. I have nothing for or against WP7 but I do care about Wikipedia being edited professionally. This fails in that respect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.231.26.42 ( talk) 10:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Considering that Joe Belfiore confirmed here ( http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Counting-Down-to-Mix/Countdown-to-MIX11-Joe-Belfiore-Talks-Phone) that the updates are indeed code name "NoDo" and "Mango", should we be using those names in the Wikipedia article? Illegal Operation ( talk) 02:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't that be "copy and paste" only? As far as I'm aware, the NoDo update does not include the ability to CUT. -- Cumbiagermen ( talk) 05:00, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
A while ago I changed a part of the text from silverlight 4 to "a WP7 specific version of Silverlight", as it is clearly incorrect, see this article at Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN). Somehow this got reverted though, so I'm asking anyone with a user account to edit this back (after verifying ofcourse). Also don't be fooled by the current reference. The Silverlight 4 tools are needed as with this version some features we're introduced that make it way easier to develop (besides enabling some backported features in WP7-Silverlight). -- 213.154.239.254 ( talk) 08:23, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Hey, just wanted to get going on the partnership with Nokia. I think that it naturally fits under "History". Everyone thinks that this is worthy of its own section right? Captain Stack (talk) 10:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok I added the section. I think it's pretty solid but please read/edit/improve it. Captain Stack (talk) 21:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Umm, I don't think Windows Phone 7 was specifically ever mentioned during the keynote for this partnership, just 'Windows Phone' which could mean any future version, not neccessarily 'Windows Phone 7'. Here's the article that I picked it up from: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/no-windows-phone-7-for-nokia-no-really-/11439 Antonyh3 ( talk) 10:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
There's been a bit of controversy about the "Partnership With Nokia" section as well as the Bloomberg quote within it. The two controversies are whether or not the section should exist at all, and if it should, whether or not Bloomberg's estimate of the money exchange between companies should be included. It is my stance that since Microsoft and Nokia announced the deal and it's a huge deal to both companies, the section should exist. However, Bloomberg's estimate is speculation. The cited article claims that its source is "two people with knowledge of the terms." To me, this is not acceptable citation and therefore doesn't belong in the article. Please post how you feel here to help prevent an edit war. Captain Stack (talk) 23:04, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I did some searching and discovered that Windows Phone 7 supports USSD 1, but does not allow use of a keypad 2 3. To say that "USSD messages" are unsupported is slightly inaccurate. -- Btx40 ( talk) 17:25, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this timeline is sort of stupid and ought to be removed? It's not a very good "timeline" because the ticks on the timeline do not uniformly correspond to time (1 cm is one month is some spots and many more months in others). It's also taking up a lot of space and occasionally makes the layout of the page weird. I really just don't think it gives particularly interesting information. Also, the information will become very dated unless the graphic is continually updated, but then it will get very long and awkward to put in the page. I nominate this image for deletion, what do you guys think? Captain Stack (talk) 08:11, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
1280x800, which I think the problem may have actually been not enough horizontal pixles so it did a weird stacking thing. Probably depends on screen size, resolution, and width of the window you're using. Issue seems gone now, so I'll leave the graphic up for now. If other people think it should be taken down though, I'll support them. Captain Stack (talk) 01:50, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
The section contains random information that claims to be "missing", yet I don't understand how this is valid. Since it list "missing" features, unlimited things that Windows Phone 7 is not can be listed. Plenty of information listed isn't even in the iOS yet I don't see the iOS article. Illegal Operation ( talk) 03:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
The "Release History" section lists Mexico and Spain as part of South America. It also lists New Zealand as part of Europe. Geography fail. While we're at it, "PAL" is not a continent, and "Middle East" is not a country! (What Middle East countries has it actually launched in?) And how do PAL/NTSC broadcast television regions pertain to Windows Phone 7, anyway? If the table uses the old PAL region terminology, then many of the other countries in the table should also be under PAL. Matthew 81.159.146.232 ( talk) 18:21, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys. As long as its existed, I've had problems with the Reception section. I've always thought that it seems to be more about the fact that this reviewer liked WP7 or that another didn't rather than about reveiwers specific praise and criticism of the OS. I've whipped up a draft of what I consider to be an improvement over the Reception section. It's more about content and less about praise/criticism. I haven't added citations yet so it will be a while before this is ready for prime time, but I'd like to see what you guys think before I put much more work into it. Anyways, let me know. Captain Stack (talk) 02:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Moved to article.
http://gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/24/6707681-whats-new-in-mango-the-next-version-of-windows-phone. I'm not sure how much of it needs to go into the main article.
Following are the details of mango update I got fromCommunications
Among Mango's communications-oriented features are some enhancements to the way you'll get updates and maneuver through texts, chats, emails, IMs, and other messages:
•Threads. Switch between text, Facebook chat and Windows Live Messenger within the same conversation. •Groups. Group contacts into personalized Live Tiles to see the latest status updates right from the Start Screen and quickly send a text, email or IM to the whole group. •Deeper social network integration. Twitter and LinkedIn feeds are now integrated into contact cards, and “Mango” includes built-in Facebook check-ins and new face detection software that makes it easier to quickly tag photos and post to the Web. •Linked inbox. See multiple email accounts in one linked inbox. Conversations are organized to make it easy to stay on top of the latest mail. •Hands-free messaging. Built-in voice-to-text and text-to-voice support enables hands-free texting or chatting.
Apps
With Mango, Microsoft is attempting to integrate apps "directly into the core experience of the phone." In plain terms, this means that app notifications will get more prominent spots on the start screen and be included in search results— oh and they'll get multitasking support:
•App Connect. By connecting apps to search results and deepening their integration with Windows Phone Hubs, including Music and Video and Pictures, “Mango” allows apps to be surfaced when and where they make sense. •Improved Live Tiles. Get real-time information from apps without having to open them. Live Tiles can be more dynamic and hold more information. •Multitasking. Quickly switch between apps in use and allow apps to run in the background, helping to preserve battery life and performance.
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Internet
Microsoft says that it is trying to take the Internet "beyond the browser," and apparently what it means is that it will give Windows Phone a speed update with Internet Explorer 9 and better integrate apps and device features with the browser:
•Internet Explorer 9. A browser based on the powerful Internet Explorer 9 and including support for HTML5 and full hardware acceleration. •Local Scout. Provides hyperlocal search results and recommends nearby restaurants, shopping and activities in an easy-to-use guide. •Bing on Windows Phone. More ways to search the Web, including Bing Vision, Music Search and Voice so it’s easy to discover and decide. •Quick Cards. When searching for a product, movie, event or place, see a quick summary of relevant information, including related apps
-Abhishikt 01:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)