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I am in the process of overhauling this page as I have found citation links that are broken, the citation does not say what is said on the page, or the citations were from unreliable sources. Dates have been found to be incorrect and information false according to reliable sources. I have also found some new information which will be added. I hope to be finished by the end of August. I look forward to feedback at that time. Hippopotenuse72 ( talk) 19:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
User Historybuff 5674 is reverting well-sourced edits and replacing them with a copy and paste of this website I am not sure how to request an admin. Please help. Thank you Hippopotenuse72 ( talk) 00:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
There are many modern references to Winchester's apparent love of the number thirteen. The chandeliers hold thirteen candles, there are thirteen bathrooms, thirteen windows, thirteen ceiling panels, and thirteen coat hooks in the home. However these items were added to the home after her death and the first mention of her apparent love of thirteen was recorded in 1929, seven years after her death.
That's just not believable. There's only 13 windows in this huge house? Valgrus Thunderaxe ( talk) 07:49, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Tour guides have described feelings of being watchedI had to laugh when I read this. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 21:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi All! I will be making edits to this page due to some incorrect & inaccurate information. This page is the "Winchester Mystery House" page which should only be touching on the house as an official historic landmark in the state of California. I am an employee at The Winchester Mystery House and many of the recent edits were made using one of the only biographies written about Sarah Winchester. Many of these sections that have been added would be better fitted for the Sarah Winchester page. The edits and the biography do not include information from our archives and discoveries the Winchester Mystery House staff has found over the 100 years of operation. The author did not interview anyone affiliated with the house and many of the edits to this page are opinions.
For over 100 years, the Winchester Mystery House has been sharing Sarah's life story, the odd design features of the home and the rumors, legend and lore that plagued her during her lifetime. We are very respectful of Sarah and her home, and take great pride in what we do. We invest millions of dollars and countless hours of labor to upkeep and restore her home and are an official city, state and national historic landmark. We employ an Historian on the estate who aids our tour department in creating and updating our tours when new information emerges within the home or Sarah's story.
Any claims of the paranormal that have been documented for the last 100 years by visitors, paranormal investigators, mediums, psychics and caretakers of the estate are presented as claims, not fact.
The fact is that stories of seances and spiritualism appeared in newspapers during Sarah's lifetime. No personal correspondence or articles have been found from Sarah denying or confirming her beliefs or these rumors.
Evidence of the life after death, the paranormal or supernatural has not and can not be proven nor disproven. We ask guests, fans and readers to visit the estate and come to their own conclusions about why Sarah built the house the way she did.
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“we ask guests, fans and readers to visit the estate and come to their own conclusions about why Sarah built the house the way she did”…Also see WP:NOTADVERTISING. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 21:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
"It is sometimes claimed to be one of the “most haunted places in the world”, but there is no evidence to support this belief. Much of the lore regarding the Winchester House and its owner is fanciful, unverified, and often provably false."
Calling something a "most haunted place" could either mean it's literally haunted, or that there's enough folklore surrounding it to be culturally significant. If it's the latter, the Winchester House probably meets that criterion. If it's the former, then the scientific stance on that should be so obvious I'm not sure it bears repeating unless a specific claim is being made (e.g., that organ music can be heard in the house). It also implies that these claims were worth serious consideration by researchers, something that definitely would require a citation.
It's also just really vague. "Much of the lore?" How much and what counts as "lore?"
This is kind of trivial, I know, but it just struck me as odd and kind of humorous to be reminded that ghosts aren't real in an encyclopedia article about a house. 2603:7081:1603:A300:5D2A:5E39:2A96:6A62 ( talk) 22:28, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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I am in the process of overhauling this page as I have found citation links that are broken, the citation does not say what is said on the page, or the citations were from unreliable sources. Dates have been found to be incorrect and information false according to reliable sources. I have also found some new information which will be added. I hope to be finished by the end of August. I look forward to feedback at that time. Hippopotenuse72 ( talk) 19:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
User Historybuff 5674 is reverting well-sourced edits and replacing them with a copy and paste of this website I am not sure how to request an admin. Please help. Thank you Hippopotenuse72 ( talk) 00:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
There are many modern references to Winchester's apparent love of the number thirteen. The chandeliers hold thirteen candles, there are thirteen bathrooms, thirteen windows, thirteen ceiling panels, and thirteen coat hooks in the home. However these items were added to the home after her death and the first mention of her apparent love of thirteen was recorded in 1929, seven years after her death.
That's just not believable. There's only 13 windows in this huge house? Valgrus Thunderaxe ( talk) 07:49, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Tour guides have described feelings of being watchedI had to laugh when I read this. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 21:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi All! I will be making edits to this page due to some incorrect & inaccurate information. This page is the "Winchester Mystery House" page which should only be touching on the house as an official historic landmark in the state of California. I am an employee at The Winchester Mystery House and many of the recent edits were made using one of the only biographies written about Sarah Winchester. Many of these sections that have been added would be better fitted for the Sarah Winchester page. The edits and the biography do not include information from our archives and discoveries the Winchester Mystery House staff has found over the 100 years of operation. The author did not interview anyone affiliated with the house and many of the edits to this page are opinions.
For over 100 years, the Winchester Mystery House has been sharing Sarah's life story, the odd design features of the home and the rumors, legend and lore that plagued her during her lifetime. We are very respectful of Sarah and her home, and take great pride in what we do. We invest millions of dollars and countless hours of labor to upkeep and restore her home and are an official city, state and national historic landmark. We employ an Historian on the estate who aids our tour department in creating and updating our tours when new information emerges within the home or Sarah's story.
Any claims of the paranormal that have been documented for the last 100 years by visitors, paranormal investigators, mediums, psychics and caretakers of the estate are presented as claims, not fact.
The fact is that stories of seances and spiritualism appeared in newspapers during Sarah's lifetime. No personal correspondence or articles have been found from Sarah denying or confirming her beliefs or these rumors.
Evidence of the life after death, the paranormal or supernatural has not and can not be proven nor disproven. We ask guests, fans and readers to visit the estate and come to their own conclusions about why Sarah built the house the way she did.
Ameliar029 (
talk)
19:29, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
“we ask guests, fans and readers to visit the estate and come to their own conclusions about why Sarah built the house the way she did”…Also see WP:NOTADVERTISING. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 21:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
"It is sometimes claimed to be one of the “most haunted places in the world”, but there is no evidence to support this belief. Much of the lore regarding the Winchester House and its owner is fanciful, unverified, and often provably false."
Calling something a "most haunted place" could either mean it's literally haunted, or that there's enough folklore surrounding it to be culturally significant. If it's the latter, the Winchester House probably meets that criterion. If it's the former, then the scientific stance on that should be so obvious I'm not sure it bears repeating unless a specific claim is being made (e.g., that organ music can be heard in the house). It also implies that these claims were worth serious consideration by researchers, something that definitely would require a citation.
It's also just really vague. "Much of the lore?" How much and what counts as "lore?"
This is kind of trivial, I know, but it just struck me as odd and kind of humorous to be reminded that ghosts aren't real in an encyclopedia article about a house. 2603:7081:1603:A300:5D2A:5E39:2A96:6A62 ( talk) 22:28, 22 July 2023 (UTC)