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Header added for ease of discussion, A.D.Hope ( talk) 17:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
In fact, the "merge", which included simply deleting most of the page, was the other way around. The page has now been reinstated, for the reasons given in the edit summary. This is a high importance article for Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiltshire, would all editors please respect that. Moonraker ( talk) 12:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
A.D.Hope and Crouch, Swale, edit-warring is of course not productive, but I stand by my view that this WikiProject UK geography conversation does not give your members the right to redirect articles about plainly notable subjects without an AfD. This remains a high importance article for WikiProject Wiltshire, and I should be most grateful if you would kindly reinstate it pending such an AfD.
I do not believe there was any significant overlap between the two pages before this summer. The distinction was clear, the Wiltshire Council page dealt with the unitary authority created in 2009 (which has all the county and district functions in its part of Wiltshire), while Wiltshire County Council dealt with the earlier period from 1889 to 2009, covering the whole county for almost all of those years. As I have said already, these changes do not meet your test about the same geographical area. At WikiProject Wiltshire we have links to the two unitary district councils now in our ceremonial county, Wiltshire Council and Swindon Borough Council. When A.D. Hope says "I don't think anything significant was lost in the merger", almost the whole of the page was deleted without being merged. It would not be quite so bad if all information and references had been kept, but there would still be other points to be argued. But we can deal with that in the AfD. Moonraker ( talk) 01:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Crouch, Swale and A.D.Hope, thank you for your replies. But the only argument here in favour of a merger that I see is that there was a legal continuity from WCC to WC, which is true, but it's also true of other notable subjects which develop one from another. It's a rather minor point compared with the fact that the two (having different names and different substantial coverage in reliable independent sources) are each notable in their own right, as well as having significant differences. I respectfully point out that neither of you has ever contributed to this page, in which your interest is clearly remote. Having added much of the material (all carefully referenced), which you do not deem to be worthy of inclusion in the WC page, I am more far more interested in it. I was also planning to expand the page further, as it has a high importance for the Wiltshire Wiki Project. That will not now happen, for two reasons: first, the WC page would be swamped; second, I do not agree that the two are the same topic and that such an outcome can be imposed by the WikiProject UK geography. I also point out that the lost WCC page had a higher quality assessment than the merged page. Contributors to the WCC page are entitled to have their say before a decision is taken, and not after the event. So I should be most grateful if you would reinstate the page. I can then continue to improve it. If you want to remove it and most of its content from Wikipedia, a future AfD will be your way forward. Kind regards, Moonraker ( talk) 23:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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redirect that targets the page: • Wiltshire Council Because this page is not frequently watched, present and future discussions, edit requests and requested moves should take place at: • Talk:Wiltshire Council |
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![]() | The contents of the Wiltshire County Council page were merged into Wiltshire Council on 21 June 2023 and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
Header added for ease of discussion, A.D.Hope ( talk) 17:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
In fact, the "merge", which included simply deleting most of the page, was the other way around. The page has now been reinstated, for the reasons given in the edit summary. This is a high importance article for Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiltshire, would all editors please respect that. Moonraker ( talk) 12:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
A.D.Hope and Crouch, Swale, edit-warring is of course not productive, but I stand by my view that this WikiProject UK geography conversation does not give your members the right to redirect articles about plainly notable subjects without an AfD. This remains a high importance article for WikiProject Wiltshire, and I should be most grateful if you would kindly reinstate it pending such an AfD.
I do not believe there was any significant overlap between the two pages before this summer. The distinction was clear, the Wiltshire Council page dealt with the unitary authority created in 2009 (which has all the county and district functions in its part of Wiltshire), while Wiltshire County Council dealt with the earlier period from 1889 to 2009, covering the whole county for almost all of those years. As I have said already, these changes do not meet your test about the same geographical area. At WikiProject Wiltshire we have links to the two unitary district councils now in our ceremonial county, Wiltshire Council and Swindon Borough Council. When A.D. Hope says "I don't think anything significant was lost in the merger", almost the whole of the page was deleted without being merged. It would not be quite so bad if all information and references had been kept, but there would still be other points to be argued. But we can deal with that in the AfD. Moonraker ( talk) 01:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Crouch, Swale and A.D.Hope, thank you for your replies. But the only argument here in favour of a merger that I see is that there was a legal continuity from WCC to WC, which is true, but it's also true of other notable subjects which develop one from another. It's a rather minor point compared with the fact that the two (having different names and different substantial coverage in reliable independent sources) are each notable in their own right, as well as having significant differences. I respectfully point out that neither of you has ever contributed to this page, in which your interest is clearly remote. Having added much of the material (all carefully referenced), which you do not deem to be worthy of inclusion in the WC page, I am more far more interested in it. I was also planning to expand the page further, as it has a high importance for the Wiltshire Wiki Project. That will not now happen, for two reasons: first, the WC page would be swamped; second, I do not agree that the two are the same topic and that such an outcome can be imposed by the WikiProject UK geography. I also point out that the lost WCC page had a higher quality assessment than the merged page. Contributors to the WCC page are entitled to have their say before a decision is taken, and not after the event. So I should be most grateful if you would reinstate the page. I can then continue to improve it. If you want to remove it and most of its content from Wikipedia, a future AfD will be your way forward. Kind regards, Moonraker ( talk) 23:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)