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There was a wiiiiiiiiiiiide range of forms of the name and his titles in Norman French and Medieval Latin. See the Wikidata list for the principal ones and the Gascon Rolls and Foedera for citations, as needed. — LlywelynII 11:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
More at the Gascon Rolls, Foed., and the Clowes work already listed. — LlywelynII 11:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
( Ch. 1) clearly lists 8 March 1287 and the Latin form Admirallus Maris Angliae. Given that he also clearly states he was "described" as such "at the assembly at Bruges", it seems the Norman French accord dated in the Gascon Rolls to 8 March 1297 was actually meant instead.
( p. 322) clearly states the French form Admiral de la Mer du Roy d'Angleterre dated to 1294 but again mentions that's based on the Foedera, whose actual text appears to have been cleaned up into modern French and then misdated.
Actual dates, titles, and links to the Gascon Rolls and Foed. added. — LlywelynII 23:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
The article stated
but, given that 1294 overlaps with an entirely different title in the sources and the hash other 18th/19th-century sources made of the guy's career and titles, I'll just leave those here until they've been fully checked and then slot them into the appropriate place in the corrected list of actual positions/titles. — LlywelynII 23:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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There was a wiiiiiiiiiiiide range of forms of the name and his titles in Norman French and Medieval Latin. See the Wikidata list for the principal ones and the Gascon Rolls and Foedera for citations, as needed. — LlywelynII 11:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
More at the Gascon Rolls, Foed., and the Clowes work already listed. — LlywelynII 11:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
( Ch. 1) clearly lists 8 March 1287 and the Latin form Admirallus Maris Angliae. Given that he also clearly states he was "described" as such "at the assembly at Bruges", it seems the Norman French accord dated in the Gascon Rolls to 8 March 1297 was actually meant instead.
( p. 322) clearly states the French form Admiral de la Mer du Roy d'Angleterre dated to 1294 but again mentions that's based on the Foedera, whose actual text appears to have been cleaned up into modern French and then misdated.
Actual dates, titles, and links to the Gascon Rolls and Foed. added. — LlywelynII 23:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
The article stated
but, given that 1294 overlaps with an entirely different title in the sources and the hash other 18th/19th-century sources made of the guy's career and titles, I'll just leave those here until they've been fully checked and then slot them into the appropriate place in the corrected list of actual positions/titles. — LlywelynII 23:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)