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states that the reason William Sealy Gosset used a pseudonym was not that they forbid publications but that they did not want competitors to know they got an advantage through hiring a statistician.
Just my 2c. To know the truth would require more information... —Preceding unsigned comment added by prufock ( talk • contribs)
Is William Sealy Gosset related to Thorold Gosset? Michael Hardy 21:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
"Gosset's statistic was z = t/√(n - 1)."
Given that Gosset's statistic was z = x-bar/SD, and given that the standard t formula is t = x-bar/SD√(n - 1), shouldn't the formula in the essay be z = t*√(n - 1)? Or, put another way, shouldn't the formula be t = z/√(n - 1)?
NiallB 01:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)Niall Bolger
The present text refers to the giant egos of Pearson & Fisher,which I do not dispute :) But it wants a reference.
That Gosset was able to be on good terms with each of them was an amazing accomplishment.
The reference to Gosset's accomplishment with this, and some details of Pearson & Fisher, can be found in
Box, Joan Fisher, _R. A. Fisher, The Life of a Scientist_, 1978. Sorry, I don't have a page ref.
but she spends a good deal of time on the p;personalities involved. Gosset was very helpful to Fisher inasmuch as Gosset provided an informal access to Pearson as well.
Also in this book, J. F. Box describes the reason for the pseudonym completely differently than others. I rather prefer the cause as Guinness' concerns about competitive advantages, because it fits the other facts of the situation much more closely.
Jay Warner —Preceding unsigned comment added by JayWarner ( talk • contribs) 21:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
The stated relation with G B Airy (said to be Gosset's 'academic advisor') surely needs a citation, and seems very dubious if not impossible in view of their ages. Airy's dates were 27 July 1801 to 2 January 1892, Gosset was born June 13 1876, and Airy died at age 91 when Gosset was still under 16 years of age. The stated 'fact' is clearly dubious. Terry0051 ( talk) 10:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
"I had learnt what I knew about the errors of observations from Airy" (i.e. from the astronomer G.B. Airy's Theory of Errors of Observations (1861).
but Fisher would have found it anyway... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.33.250 ( talk) 22:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Anybody know this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.163.93 ( talk) 15:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
“ | Gosset adopted the pseudonym ‘Student’ when he published his first paper in 1907 (we may now guess) precisely because he saw himself at that time as a student of statistics. | ” |
— Peter Petocz & Eric Sowey, Statistical Diversions. Teaching Statistics 2006. doi: 10.1111/j.1467-9639.2006.00246.x |
I thought there was an image of Gosset's signature on the page, though I can't find a record of its deletion. I normally wouldn't care, though his was one of the best signatures I have ever seen! Ninahexan ( talk) 06:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I just edited out a sentence in the article claiming (without giving a source) that the t-test was first invented by R.A. Fisher. The t-test was published in 1908 by Gosset. R.A. Fisher was only 18 at that time, so this makes it highly unlikely that he could have invented t-test while at secondary school. In fact David Salsburg in The lady tasting tea: how statistics revolutionized science in the twentieth century (p. 31) gives the explanation behind this misconception (that Fisher invented he t-test before Gosset). Fisher actually re-invented the t-test while an undergraduate at Cambridge in 1912. His tutor quickly pointed out to Gosset's 1908 paper which Fisher was unaware of and then proceeded to introduce Fisher to Gosset (who was 14 years his senior) and the two became friends. 130.89.50.209 ( talk) 11:41, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
It is very strange to describe him in the 'Life and Career' section as 'the self-trained Gosset' when he held a mathematics degree from the University of Oxford. Of course, he developed mathematics that had not been taught to him, but that is what researchers do. I suggest deleting the words 'the self-trained'. Longitude2 ( talk) 13:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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states that the reason William Sealy Gosset used a pseudonym was not that they forbid publications but that they did not want competitors to know they got an advantage through hiring a statistician.
Just my 2c. To know the truth would require more information... —Preceding unsigned comment added by prufock ( talk • contribs)
Is William Sealy Gosset related to Thorold Gosset? Michael Hardy 21:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
"Gosset's statistic was z = t/√(n - 1)."
Given that Gosset's statistic was z = x-bar/SD, and given that the standard t formula is t = x-bar/SD√(n - 1), shouldn't the formula in the essay be z = t*√(n - 1)? Or, put another way, shouldn't the formula be t = z/√(n - 1)?
NiallB 01:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)Niall Bolger
The present text refers to the giant egos of Pearson & Fisher,which I do not dispute :) But it wants a reference.
That Gosset was able to be on good terms with each of them was an amazing accomplishment.
The reference to Gosset's accomplishment with this, and some details of Pearson & Fisher, can be found in
Box, Joan Fisher, _R. A. Fisher, The Life of a Scientist_, 1978. Sorry, I don't have a page ref.
but she spends a good deal of time on the p;personalities involved. Gosset was very helpful to Fisher inasmuch as Gosset provided an informal access to Pearson as well.
Also in this book, J. F. Box describes the reason for the pseudonym completely differently than others. I rather prefer the cause as Guinness' concerns about competitive advantages, because it fits the other facts of the situation much more closely.
Jay Warner —Preceding unsigned comment added by JayWarner ( talk • contribs) 21:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
The stated relation with G B Airy (said to be Gosset's 'academic advisor') surely needs a citation, and seems very dubious if not impossible in view of their ages. Airy's dates were 27 July 1801 to 2 January 1892, Gosset was born June 13 1876, and Airy died at age 91 when Gosset was still under 16 years of age. The stated 'fact' is clearly dubious. Terry0051 ( talk) 10:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
"I had learnt what I knew about the errors of observations from Airy" (i.e. from the astronomer G.B. Airy's Theory of Errors of Observations (1861).
but Fisher would have found it anyway... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.33.250 ( talk) 22:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Anybody know this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.163.93 ( talk) 15:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
“ | Gosset adopted the pseudonym ‘Student’ when he published his first paper in 1907 (we may now guess) precisely because he saw himself at that time as a student of statistics. | ” |
— Peter Petocz & Eric Sowey, Statistical Diversions. Teaching Statistics 2006. doi: 10.1111/j.1467-9639.2006.00246.x |
I thought there was an image of Gosset's signature on the page, though I can't find a record of its deletion. I normally wouldn't care, though his was one of the best signatures I have ever seen! Ninahexan ( talk) 06:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I just edited out a sentence in the article claiming (without giving a source) that the t-test was first invented by R.A. Fisher. The t-test was published in 1908 by Gosset. R.A. Fisher was only 18 at that time, so this makes it highly unlikely that he could have invented t-test while at secondary school. In fact David Salsburg in The lady tasting tea: how statistics revolutionized science in the twentieth century (p. 31) gives the explanation behind this misconception (that Fisher invented he t-test before Gosset). Fisher actually re-invented the t-test while an undergraduate at Cambridge in 1912. His tutor quickly pointed out to Gosset's 1908 paper which Fisher was unaware of and then proceeded to introduce Fisher to Gosset (who was 14 years his senior) and the two became friends. 130.89.50.209 ( talk) 11:41, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
It is very strange to describe him in the 'Life and Career' section as 'the self-trained Gosset' when he held a mathematics degree from the University of Oxford. Of course, he developed mathematics that had not been taught to him, but that is what researchers do. I suggest deleting the words 'the self-trained'. Longitude2 ( talk) 13:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC)