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The result of the move request was: no consensus. We seem to have consensus that "William R. Moore" is more common in sources than "William Robert Moore", but there is no agreement about whether it is so common as to justify non-natural disambiguation when a natural alternative is available. (
closed by non-admin page mover)
Extraordinary Writ (
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21:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I agree with Station1 that NATURAL applies here. Total random nerd appears to be correct about "William R. Moore" being more common in sources, but we're going to have to disambiguate somehow, and expanding the middle name is a better move in terms of precision, concision, and naturalness.
Firefangledfeathers15:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't believe we have a demonstrated common name. The majority of the sources used in the article do not use "William R. Moore". There are more out there that use the 'R.', but are there enough for a clear common name? He also used "Wm. R. Moore" and some sources use "William Moore". Many hits for "William R. Moore" are referencing the school, not the person.
Firefangledfeathers17:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
"Wm" was merely a common contraction in his day for William, so I think we can equate that to William R. Moore rather than making some sort of claim that it's a separate form of the name. The fact the school uses that name suggests that was the common name. --
Necrothesp (
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13:03, 18 February 2022 (UTC)reply
"R." is also very common as an initialism for Robert; I've never seen another initial chosen! Since we're in full agreement that "William Robert Moore" was his full name and in disagreement about what is the most common styling, I do think differences in style matter here. I don't think the name of the school is good evidence for a COMMONNAME. The existence of
William H. Harrison School or
John Q. Adams Middle School does not obligate us to move the presidents' articles.
Firefangledfeathers13:47, 18 February 2022 (UTC)reply
You're missing the point and the difference between a contraction and an initial. Had he been referred to as "Wm. Robt. Moore" then I'd agree with you: merely a common contraction of William Robert Moore. But "Wm. R. Moore" is specifically a contraction of William R. Moore, not William Robert Moore. --
Necrothesp (
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14:40, 18 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Exactly. Due to the more prominent sources about him referring to him as "William R. Moore" or "Wm. R. Moore" (some of the sources provided above by Station1 that call him by his full name were ones I did not find when researching information, or refer to everyone by their full name, such as Voteview and Find a Grave), I believe it is more sensible and practical to have the title moved to "William R. Moore (Tennessee politician)" than to retain the current title that includes his full name. –
tnr(debate me)(my accomplishments)16:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Find A Grave actually has quite a few listings for various people named William R. Moore. That cite is valuable not so much as a reliable source as for the photo of Moore's gravestone, which shows his full name.
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09:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)reply
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. We seem to have consensus that "William R. Moore" is more common in sources than "William Robert Moore", but there is no agreement about whether it is so common as to justify non-natural disambiguation when a natural alternative is available. (
closed by non-admin page mover)
Extraordinary Writ (
talk)
21:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I agree with Station1 that NATURAL applies here. Total random nerd appears to be correct about "William R. Moore" being more common in sources, but we're going to have to disambiguate somehow, and expanding the middle name is a better move in terms of precision, concision, and naturalness.
Firefangledfeathers15:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't believe we have a demonstrated common name. The majority of the sources used in the article do not use "William R. Moore". There are more out there that use the 'R.', but are there enough for a clear common name? He also used "Wm. R. Moore" and some sources use "William Moore". Many hits for "William R. Moore" are referencing the school, not the person.
Firefangledfeathers17:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
"Wm" was merely a common contraction in his day for William, so I think we can equate that to William R. Moore rather than making some sort of claim that it's a separate form of the name. The fact the school uses that name suggests that was the common name. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
13:03, 18 February 2022 (UTC)reply
"R." is also very common as an initialism for Robert; I've never seen another initial chosen! Since we're in full agreement that "William Robert Moore" was his full name and in disagreement about what is the most common styling, I do think differences in style matter here. I don't think the name of the school is good evidence for a COMMONNAME. The existence of
William H. Harrison School or
John Q. Adams Middle School does not obligate us to move the presidents' articles.
Firefangledfeathers13:47, 18 February 2022 (UTC)reply
You're missing the point and the difference between a contraction and an initial. Had he been referred to as "Wm. Robt. Moore" then I'd agree with you: merely a common contraction of William Robert Moore. But "Wm. R. Moore" is specifically a contraction of William R. Moore, not William Robert Moore. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
14:40, 18 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Exactly. Due to the more prominent sources about him referring to him as "William R. Moore" or "Wm. R. Moore" (some of the sources provided above by Station1 that call him by his full name were ones I did not find when researching information, or refer to everyone by their full name, such as Voteview and Find a Grave), I believe it is more sensible and practical to have the title moved to "William R. Moore (Tennessee politician)" than to retain the current title that includes his full name. –
tnr(debate me)(my accomplishments)16:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Find A Grave actually has quite a few listings for various people named William R. Moore. That cite is valuable not so much as a reliable source as for the photo of Moore's gravestone, which shows his full name.
Station1 (
talk)
09:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.