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Any ideas on these? Carcharoth 03:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
You should be very careful about how you characterize any of the basically Calvinist sectarians that emerged in England after 1600. For example, if they were still alive Christopher Hill and H.N. Brailsford would go ballistic at the suggestion the Levellers were rabidly anti-Catholic regicides. For example, leading Levellers (William Walwyn, John Lilburn and Richard Overton) tried to pursued the New Model Army from taking Cromwell's deal and invading Ireland; Lilburn opposed the execution of Charles I in 1649; Thomas Rainsborough was a leading Leveller in the New Model Army and wanted a the monarchy replaced with a republic based on general male suffrage. He was also the brother-in-law of John Winthrop, the frequent governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. John Winthrop, Roger Williams and William Walwyn knew each other in England and they recognized each other as godly men in the Calvinist tradition but politically there was a good deal difference between them.
You should always keep in mind that while the Massachusetts Bay Colony was not Plymouth Plantation, Connecticut or Rhode Island and Providence Plantation. They were all fundamentally Calvinist settlements and each represented a particular sect in the Calvinist tradition. Plymouth and Providence Plantation represented the Anabaptist and proto-Quaker movement that eventually became Unitarian and trancendentalist movement so the early 18th Century. Eastern Massachusetts and all of Connecticut were quite Puritan at the beginning but Massachusetts evolved into Brownian congregationalists of the sort that actually merged with the Unitarian/Quaker sects. Connecticut remained rather more Puritan. Nevertheless, if in your mind you think of the Puritans an intellectual dead end remarkable chiefly for their tendency to burn witches and make young girls wear red "A"s on the chests you are ignoring the fact that by 1700 Harvard College, which began as Puritan college, had become Unitarian and was the intellectual source of the Transcendental Movement of the early 19th Century, which was very much like the Romantic movement in Germany that gave us Schiller, Heine and Beethoven.
You should get a firm grasp on the idea of what a Royal Charter was and carefully consider whether or not the charter granted by Charles I to the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630 was any different in character from the royal charters that had been granted to English cities and towns for centuries before 1600.
Finally, you should always keep in mind that the obvious ancestor to Thomas Paine's "Right of Man", the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights was the several "Agreements of the Free People of England" published by the Levellers in England between 1647 and 1649. The Levellers were predominantly Anabaptists, Congregationalist and Quakers. They were the same people as those living in the area commonly thought of as New England in 1650. 71.232.217.115 ( talk) 17:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Apostrophes mark the plural of numbers. This is so that a number is not read as having the letter as part of it. For example, the difference between a 350is and a group of 350is and the difference between the 90s and the years of the many 90s is the apostrophe. This point of grammar has been unquestioned for generations. However, just recently some vulgarians, primarily in the business community and primarily in the United States, found themselves simply incapable of typing an apostrophe, and so they began doing their plural numbers and acronyms without the apostrophe. Some few style sheets began allowing this, but with a stupid rationalization -- "when unambiguous." Well, that's worse rather than better. At present, United States practice is split over the matter. Many rhetorics and handbooks still teach the apostrophe, and some do not. Some professional journalists require them (e.g. the New York Times), and some do not. Wikipedia has no rule on the subject, as it allows either one. I do not allow either one. I teach my own students to use the apostrophe, and I use the apostrophe, and I will not have these removed as "bad." Such blind and ignorant edit summaries betray profound intolerance and foolishness. Latin abbreviations are, according to most contemporary style sheets, not italicized if unambiguous. I regard "flourio" as still somewhat unknown in its expansion but "exampli gratia" as not. Therefore, one italicizes "fl." but not "e.g." One italicizes "inter al." but not "etc." Help, if you can, but do not meddle with acceptable and proper writing, please. Geogre 20:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia does have a rule on it, and it is not allowed. Per the Manual of Style, which is an official guideline, as I quote,
It later says
Without italics. I wonder why you support the ambiguity issue for italics, but not for the apostrophe. You say that it has only more recently been adopted. However recent it is, you should learn to adapt to changes. One can't stick with only what was known or used in the '50s!! I see that you have given a few sources supporting yourself, but I can find many more against the apostrophe; here are a few reliable links against the apostrophe: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. Note that a decade is considered a plural. I can give more if you want.
I don't particularly mind the italics, but the apostrophes must go. I will now remove them from the article, as the Manual of Style says they should be. Reywas92 Talk 16:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Looking here, I found this:
"In 1641 (John) Humphrey was apppointed governor of Providence Island, but his plans to emigrate were disrupted when the colony fell to the Spanish. The admiral of the fleet was Hugh Peter's brother Benjamin. The vice admiral was the commissioner Thomas Rainsborough, the later Leveller; Rainsborough's brother William, also involved in the voyage, had lived in Charlestown, Massachusetts, before the Civil War. The rear admiral was Maurice Thomson's brother Robert, a resident of Boston, Massachusetts during the 1630s." (Brenner)
The "Brenner" appears to be "Brenner's Merchants and Revolutions- J. R. Woodhead, The Rulers of London, 1660-1689" - I wonder if it is easy to get hold of a copy of that! I think on the basis of that, we can add Charlestown, Massachusetts to the article - ironic really, for someone who had a signet ring with Charles I's severed head on it! Carcharoth 15:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I was looking into the Spanish connection, and found this book on Providence Island, "the other Puritan colony". Rather distressingly, our article on Providence Island fails to mention its brief history as an English colony. I'm off to remedy that and then link the Rainsborowe brothers to that island and the conflict with the Spanish. Carcharoth 15:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Spotted at article about Jamestown and remembered this article. But I had the wrong town. He ended up in Charlestown. Oh well. Here is the article anyway. Carcharoth 20:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
In the beginning it states that his name could be William Rainsborowe *or* Rainborowe, without the s. There is a few that have it without the 's' and most with the 's'. Should we keep it consistent with the 's', because that is the one in the title? 20pargyle ( talk) 14:44, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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Any ideas on these? Carcharoth 03:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
You should be very careful about how you characterize any of the basically Calvinist sectarians that emerged in England after 1600. For example, if they were still alive Christopher Hill and H.N. Brailsford would go ballistic at the suggestion the Levellers were rabidly anti-Catholic regicides. For example, leading Levellers (William Walwyn, John Lilburn and Richard Overton) tried to pursued the New Model Army from taking Cromwell's deal and invading Ireland; Lilburn opposed the execution of Charles I in 1649; Thomas Rainsborough was a leading Leveller in the New Model Army and wanted a the monarchy replaced with a republic based on general male suffrage. He was also the brother-in-law of John Winthrop, the frequent governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. John Winthrop, Roger Williams and William Walwyn knew each other in England and they recognized each other as godly men in the Calvinist tradition but politically there was a good deal difference between them.
You should always keep in mind that while the Massachusetts Bay Colony was not Plymouth Plantation, Connecticut or Rhode Island and Providence Plantation. They were all fundamentally Calvinist settlements and each represented a particular sect in the Calvinist tradition. Plymouth and Providence Plantation represented the Anabaptist and proto-Quaker movement that eventually became Unitarian and trancendentalist movement so the early 18th Century. Eastern Massachusetts and all of Connecticut were quite Puritan at the beginning but Massachusetts evolved into Brownian congregationalists of the sort that actually merged with the Unitarian/Quaker sects. Connecticut remained rather more Puritan. Nevertheless, if in your mind you think of the Puritans an intellectual dead end remarkable chiefly for their tendency to burn witches and make young girls wear red "A"s on the chests you are ignoring the fact that by 1700 Harvard College, which began as Puritan college, had become Unitarian and was the intellectual source of the Transcendental Movement of the early 19th Century, which was very much like the Romantic movement in Germany that gave us Schiller, Heine and Beethoven.
You should get a firm grasp on the idea of what a Royal Charter was and carefully consider whether or not the charter granted by Charles I to the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630 was any different in character from the royal charters that had been granted to English cities and towns for centuries before 1600.
Finally, you should always keep in mind that the obvious ancestor to Thomas Paine's "Right of Man", the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights was the several "Agreements of the Free People of England" published by the Levellers in England between 1647 and 1649. The Levellers were predominantly Anabaptists, Congregationalist and Quakers. They were the same people as those living in the area commonly thought of as New England in 1650. 71.232.217.115 ( talk) 17:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Apostrophes mark the plural of numbers. This is so that a number is not read as having the letter as part of it. For example, the difference between a 350is and a group of 350is and the difference between the 90s and the years of the many 90s is the apostrophe. This point of grammar has been unquestioned for generations. However, just recently some vulgarians, primarily in the business community and primarily in the United States, found themselves simply incapable of typing an apostrophe, and so they began doing their plural numbers and acronyms without the apostrophe. Some few style sheets began allowing this, but with a stupid rationalization -- "when unambiguous." Well, that's worse rather than better. At present, United States practice is split over the matter. Many rhetorics and handbooks still teach the apostrophe, and some do not. Some professional journalists require them (e.g. the New York Times), and some do not. Wikipedia has no rule on the subject, as it allows either one. I do not allow either one. I teach my own students to use the apostrophe, and I use the apostrophe, and I will not have these removed as "bad." Such blind and ignorant edit summaries betray profound intolerance and foolishness. Latin abbreviations are, according to most contemporary style sheets, not italicized if unambiguous. I regard "flourio" as still somewhat unknown in its expansion but "exampli gratia" as not. Therefore, one italicizes "fl." but not "e.g." One italicizes "inter al." but not "etc." Help, if you can, but do not meddle with acceptable and proper writing, please. Geogre 20:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia does have a rule on it, and it is not allowed. Per the Manual of Style, which is an official guideline, as I quote,
It later says
Without italics. I wonder why you support the ambiguity issue for italics, but not for the apostrophe. You say that it has only more recently been adopted. However recent it is, you should learn to adapt to changes. One can't stick with only what was known or used in the '50s!! I see that you have given a few sources supporting yourself, but I can find many more against the apostrophe; here are a few reliable links against the apostrophe: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. Note that a decade is considered a plural. I can give more if you want.
I don't particularly mind the italics, but the apostrophes must go. I will now remove them from the article, as the Manual of Style says they should be. Reywas92 Talk 16:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Looking here, I found this:
"In 1641 (John) Humphrey was apppointed governor of Providence Island, but his plans to emigrate were disrupted when the colony fell to the Spanish. The admiral of the fleet was Hugh Peter's brother Benjamin. The vice admiral was the commissioner Thomas Rainsborough, the later Leveller; Rainsborough's brother William, also involved in the voyage, had lived in Charlestown, Massachusetts, before the Civil War. The rear admiral was Maurice Thomson's brother Robert, a resident of Boston, Massachusetts during the 1630s." (Brenner)
The "Brenner" appears to be "Brenner's Merchants and Revolutions- J. R. Woodhead, The Rulers of London, 1660-1689" - I wonder if it is easy to get hold of a copy of that! I think on the basis of that, we can add Charlestown, Massachusetts to the article - ironic really, for someone who had a signet ring with Charles I's severed head on it! Carcharoth 15:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I was looking into the Spanish connection, and found this book on Providence Island, "the other Puritan colony". Rather distressingly, our article on Providence Island fails to mention its brief history as an English colony. I'm off to remedy that and then link the Rainsborowe brothers to that island and the conflict with the Spanish. Carcharoth 15:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Spotted at article about Jamestown and remembered this article. But I had the wrong town. He ended up in Charlestown. Oh well. Here is the article anyway. Carcharoth 20:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
In the beginning it states that his name could be William Rainsborowe *or* Rainborowe, without the s. There is a few that have it without the 's' and most with the 's'. Should we keep it consistent with the 's', because that is the one in the title? 20pargyle ( talk) 14:44, 8 January 2019 (UTC)