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There are conflicting citations cited, both without presenting any cinderblock evidence for the following passage:
It doesn't appear to be a material element of the article, but since it doesn't contain NPOV and the two citations are conflicting, I am moving it here until further info can be provided. In that case, it should be restated in a NPOV. The home schooled reference should be moved back if it can be supported with a citation. Toddstreat1 23:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
There are still living ancestors of Paca, today. They pronounce it Paca (pay-ka).
ATTENTION: Any editors who care about the reliability of Wikipedia. Quissett (clearly ChevreBleue under a new name) reverted my edits (without replying to the discussion on this page, you'll notice), citing WP:Undue, which is clearly nonsense. I cite published works by recognized authorities on Paca. CB cites web pages (and one--possibly self-published--book, which contains largely unsourced claims). Note, the webpages and book cited by CB don't even agree with each other (claiming, e.g., different places of origin in Italy, different Italian names "Paca" is supposedly derived from, etc.)
I've already expended more time than is probably warranted trying to keep this page reliable. Hopefully there are other editors out there who care enough about the integrity of WP to seek out and confirm the published sources I've cited (and any other reliable sources), rather than letting CB push his agenda on this entry.
I left CB's links in my edit out of courtesy, though they don't belong there according to WP standards. Regardless, I believe a discussion of the Italian ancestry claims is necessary to prevent people like CB from coming through and adding them again (which is what will happen if someone decides to remove all discussion of ancestry from this entry). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.100.34.11 ( talk) 03:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
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There is also a claim that Paca was a Waldensian. Is this incorrect? If he was not Italian it seems almost impossible. -- SECisek 05:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Amazing how these things get started. -- SECisek 18:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I think this is pretty ridiculous because- really, what does it matter if he was Italian? But here is what my family history says- take it or leave it. My ggrandfather- born in 1861 was a Peca- lived in Abruzzi, Chieti area but the family was originally from Albania and came across the Adriatic Sea in the 15th Century rather than convert to Islam. They are called Arberesh in Italy. According to my ggrandfather, William Paca (or Peca depending on how you pronounce), was an ancestor. There is a small village in what was Albania called "Paca" and that is the origin of the name. So if William PACA was Italian he was probably also part Albanian.
Personally I could care less. Either he is or he isn't. I suppose we could do some kind of genetic test to prove a common ancestor but it doesn't matter to me. I tend to believe my family account based upon the face that my ggrandfather had no reason to lie, and it did not affect his life in any way shape or form. He was an Italian immigrant (with a brother Aguilar) who assimilated into American life and to our family was just an anicdotal story.
I think it is fairly odd that some of you are pretty heated on whether he was Italian or not- as if it somehow is an insult to you or the State of Maryland???
Pecapacawhatever ( talk) 20:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)PECA
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There are conflicting citations cited, both without presenting any cinderblock evidence for the following passage:
It doesn't appear to be a material element of the article, but since it doesn't contain NPOV and the two citations are conflicting, I am moving it here until further info can be provided. In that case, it should be restated in a NPOV. The home schooled reference should be moved back if it can be supported with a citation. Toddstreat1 23:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
There are still living ancestors of Paca, today. They pronounce it Paca (pay-ka).
ATTENTION: Any editors who care about the reliability of Wikipedia. Quissett (clearly ChevreBleue under a new name) reverted my edits (without replying to the discussion on this page, you'll notice), citing WP:Undue, which is clearly nonsense. I cite published works by recognized authorities on Paca. CB cites web pages (and one--possibly self-published--book, which contains largely unsourced claims). Note, the webpages and book cited by CB don't even agree with each other (claiming, e.g., different places of origin in Italy, different Italian names "Paca" is supposedly derived from, etc.)
I've already expended more time than is probably warranted trying to keep this page reliable. Hopefully there are other editors out there who care enough about the integrity of WP to seek out and confirm the published sources I've cited (and any other reliable sources), rather than letting CB push his agenda on this entry.
I left CB's links in my edit out of courtesy, though they don't belong there according to WP standards. Regardless, I believe a discussion of the Italian ancestry claims is necessary to prevent people like CB from coming through and adding them again (which is what will happen if someone decides to remove all discussion of ancestry from this entry). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.100.34.11 ( talk) 03:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
References
There is also a claim that Paca was a Waldensian. Is this incorrect? If he was not Italian it seems almost impossible. -- SECisek 05:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Amazing how these things get started. -- SECisek 18:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I think this is pretty ridiculous because- really, what does it matter if he was Italian? But here is what my family history says- take it or leave it. My ggrandfather- born in 1861 was a Peca- lived in Abruzzi, Chieti area but the family was originally from Albania and came across the Adriatic Sea in the 15th Century rather than convert to Islam. They are called Arberesh in Italy. According to my ggrandfather, William Paca (or Peca depending on how you pronounce), was an ancestor. There is a small village in what was Albania called "Paca" and that is the origin of the name. So if William PACA was Italian he was probably also part Albanian.
Personally I could care less. Either he is or he isn't. I suppose we could do some kind of genetic test to prove a common ancestor but it doesn't matter to me. I tend to believe my family account based upon the face that my ggrandfather had no reason to lie, and it did not affect his life in any way shape or form. He was an Italian immigrant (with a brother Aguilar) who assimilated into American life and to our family was just an anicdotal story.
I think it is fairly odd that some of you are pretty heated on whether he was Italian or not- as if it somehow is an insult to you or the State of Maryland???
Pecapacawhatever ( talk) 20:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)PECA