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This film made in 1969 was missing from filmography. [Sancre] 15:51, 07 Jan 2007 (EST)
I added the Tom's Diner reference. I think it is an interesting fact, but as it stands the seciont on his death ends with "... Who had died While he was drinking it was no one I had heard of", which is sad. Feel free to rephrase that sentence so the quotation is partial or not at the end. BenFrantzDale 08:19, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The date 16 November appears from time to time. We'll never know with certainty when he died, however it definitely was not the 16th. That was the day his body was discovered, and he was long dead by then. As I said in my earlier contribution, forensic science determined his probable date of death as 12 November, and that date appears in reputable sources. I have made the necessary correction. JackofOz 22:41, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I guess it's ok to keep the information about the Newman kids in the article but I've made it more encyclopedic and qualified, there's zero paper trail, after all. Wyss 17:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
the supposed "game preserver" he was in on in Kenya was in fact a hunt club that encoraged the rich and famous to come on big game safaris. He and two others, one of which had mob ties and died when his car was blown up, bought the place for $30,000 and then invested millions. They actually used wild game meat in the restaurants. He sold his interest when Kenya started discouraging hunting but before they outlawed it. My source for this is a show on cable called "world tour" on History International. feb 2 2006 Jackhammer111 00:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I question the listing of Pasadena in his youth. It is on the internet that he grew up in the City of South Pasadena and I know multiple people who knew his family. He went to South Pasadena High School and lived at or near the south-west corner of Mound and Oxley (now shopping center). He also reportedly lived near the corner of Meridian and Oak and perhap on Milan. -- CSvBibra 05:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
i can't find any mention including in this article of why holden changed his name ... stage name etc , include explanation - spike joanz whoman 69.121.221.97 ( talk) 01:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Conspicuously absent and worthy of inclusion is 'The Blue Knight', a three part miniseries that starred William Holden and aired in November 1973. Holden picked up an Emmy for "best actor in a limited series". It re-invigorated his career and was critically acclaimed for its adult theme of an aging LAPD cop, who struggles with mid-life crisis and contemplates suicide(its success helped spawn a TV series of the same name starring George Kennedy). Also, its year is erroneously listed in the Filmography as 1974 instead of 1973.
I humbly suggest that the entire section of the article, "Later career", needs a rewrite. The last sentence in the section, "While his second Irwin Allen was a critical and commercial failure and largely disliked by Holden himself, his other last film directed by Edwards was more successful and a Golden Globe-nominated picture", is clumsy and confusing. Theaternearyou ( talk) 05:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
The biographical summary at the top of the page lists Holden's cause of death as "hypovolemia," which may be technically accurate, but is a little deceptive. I suppose lack of blood volume is the ultimate cause of many deaths that are more informatively listed as "murder," "suicide," or "accident;" and it is a vague term, which can result from bleeding to death (as in Holden's case), or dehydration due to diarrhoea, vomiting, or lack of fluid intake. I have changed the wording at the top of the page to more accurately reflect the cause of his death, consistent with the way it is explained later in the article. DoctorEric ( talk) 10:13, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
He wan't a prisoner, he was one of the commando force sent to destroy the bridge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.1.195 ( talk) 09:06, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes but some while ago and had forgotten that. Thanks for the reminder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.1.195 ( talk) 09:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Is there another legally usable photo available for the main portrait in this article? Holden bleached his hair for one film in his career (Sabrina), but otherwise was dark haired and most familiar that way. There's already another photo subsequently in the article showing him with the bleached hair in Sabrina. It seems to me the main photo ought to be one depicting the person as most commonly seen. Monkeyzpop ( talk) 03:07, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
the source of the erroneous date of death for Holden's brother apparently is taken from this site.
http://www.sphsaa.org/class_profile.cfm?member_id=1414991
Beedle was in squadron VF-18 aboard USS Bunker Hill (CV-17), shot down at Kavieng, New Ireland. In 1945 Kavieng was long in the backwater of the Pacific War, while Bunker Hill was not yet back in combat in January 1945.
Btillman ( talk) 21:53, 11 December 2012 (UTC)B Tillman 11 December 2012.
Can someone parse this sentence? "The conservancy is home to the critically endangered East African Mountain Bongo, which aims to prevent extinction by breeding." It seems to imbue an animal with the ambitions of the conservancy, no? Monkeyzpop ( talk) 10:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:William Holden/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Needs citing ....( Complain)( Let us to it pell-mell) 02:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC) |
Last edited at 02:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 10:39, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it's relevant to the article on Holden that, decades after his death, his adoptive daughter became the grandmother of a baby who, still more decades later, became the perpetrator of the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting. Even though it's sourced, it tells us nothing about Holden, and it tells us nothing about the shooting.
Thoughts? DS ( talk) 22:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
He married Brenda Marshall in Las Vegas on July 12, 1941, as per sample URL below, which would be nice to cite exactly the date in article body. This is important because it was still five months before the Pearl Harbor attacks and the USA entry to WW2 (which war he entered in 1942). If he was married after Pearl Harbor in 1941 -- it might have been because he planned to enlist (as many soldiers did). The point is, citing the month answers that question in a reader's mind in-advance. (In any case, the fact is now capture in TALK.) https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10182-134507/william-holden-in-biographical-summaries-of-notable-people
/info/en/?search=July_1941#July_13,_1941_(Sunday) James Rodriguez 07:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrodor ( talk • contribs) James Rodriguez 07:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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This film made in 1969 was missing from filmography. [Sancre] 15:51, 07 Jan 2007 (EST)
I added the Tom's Diner reference. I think it is an interesting fact, but as it stands the seciont on his death ends with "... Who had died While he was drinking it was no one I had heard of", which is sad. Feel free to rephrase that sentence so the quotation is partial or not at the end. BenFrantzDale 08:19, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The date 16 November appears from time to time. We'll never know with certainty when he died, however it definitely was not the 16th. That was the day his body was discovered, and he was long dead by then. As I said in my earlier contribution, forensic science determined his probable date of death as 12 November, and that date appears in reputable sources. I have made the necessary correction. JackofOz 22:41, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I guess it's ok to keep the information about the Newman kids in the article but I've made it more encyclopedic and qualified, there's zero paper trail, after all. Wyss 17:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
the supposed "game preserver" he was in on in Kenya was in fact a hunt club that encoraged the rich and famous to come on big game safaris. He and two others, one of which had mob ties and died when his car was blown up, bought the place for $30,000 and then invested millions. They actually used wild game meat in the restaurants. He sold his interest when Kenya started discouraging hunting but before they outlawed it. My source for this is a show on cable called "world tour" on History International. feb 2 2006 Jackhammer111 00:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I question the listing of Pasadena in his youth. It is on the internet that he grew up in the City of South Pasadena and I know multiple people who knew his family. He went to South Pasadena High School and lived at or near the south-west corner of Mound and Oxley (now shopping center). He also reportedly lived near the corner of Meridian and Oak and perhap on Milan. -- CSvBibra 05:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
i can't find any mention including in this article of why holden changed his name ... stage name etc , include explanation - spike joanz whoman 69.121.221.97 ( talk) 01:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Conspicuously absent and worthy of inclusion is 'The Blue Knight', a three part miniseries that starred William Holden and aired in November 1973. Holden picked up an Emmy for "best actor in a limited series". It re-invigorated his career and was critically acclaimed for its adult theme of an aging LAPD cop, who struggles with mid-life crisis and contemplates suicide(its success helped spawn a TV series of the same name starring George Kennedy). Also, its year is erroneously listed in the Filmography as 1974 instead of 1973.
I humbly suggest that the entire section of the article, "Later career", needs a rewrite. The last sentence in the section, "While his second Irwin Allen was a critical and commercial failure and largely disliked by Holden himself, his other last film directed by Edwards was more successful and a Golden Globe-nominated picture", is clumsy and confusing. Theaternearyou ( talk) 05:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
The biographical summary at the top of the page lists Holden's cause of death as "hypovolemia," which may be technically accurate, but is a little deceptive. I suppose lack of blood volume is the ultimate cause of many deaths that are more informatively listed as "murder," "suicide," or "accident;" and it is a vague term, which can result from bleeding to death (as in Holden's case), or dehydration due to diarrhoea, vomiting, or lack of fluid intake. I have changed the wording at the top of the page to more accurately reflect the cause of his death, consistent with the way it is explained later in the article. DoctorEric ( talk) 10:13, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
He wan't a prisoner, he was one of the commando force sent to destroy the bridge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.1.195 ( talk) 09:06, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes but some while ago and had forgotten that. Thanks for the reminder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.1.195 ( talk) 09:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Is there another legally usable photo available for the main portrait in this article? Holden bleached his hair for one film in his career (Sabrina), but otherwise was dark haired and most familiar that way. There's already another photo subsequently in the article showing him with the bleached hair in Sabrina. It seems to me the main photo ought to be one depicting the person as most commonly seen. Monkeyzpop ( talk) 03:07, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
the source of the erroneous date of death for Holden's brother apparently is taken from this site.
http://www.sphsaa.org/class_profile.cfm?member_id=1414991
Beedle was in squadron VF-18 aboard USS Bunker Hill (CV-17), shot down at Kavieng, New Ireland. In 1945 Kavieng was long in the backwater of the Pacific War, while Bunker Hill was not yet back in combat in January 1945.
Btillman ( talk) 21:53, 11 December 2012 (UTC)B Tillman 11 December 2012.
Can someone parse this sentence? "The conservancy is home to the critically endangered East African Mountain Bongo, which aims to prevent extinction by breeding." It seems to imbue an animal with the ambitions of the conservancy, no? Monkeyzpop ( talk) 10:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:William Holden/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Needs citing ....( Complain)( Let us to it pell-mell) 02:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC) |
Last edited at 02:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 10:39, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it's relevant to the article on Holden that, decades after his death, his adoptive daughter became the grandmother of a baby who, still more decades later, became the perpetrator of the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting. Even though it's sourced, it tells us nothing about Holden, and it tells us nothing about the shooting.
Thoughts? DS ( talk) 22:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
He married Brenda Marshall in Las Vegas on July 12, 1941, as per sample URL below, which would be nice to cite exactly the date in article body. This is important because it was still five months before the Pearl Harbor attacks and the USA entry to WW2 (which war he entered in 1942). If he was married after Pearl Harbor in 1941 -- it might have been because he planned to enlist (as many soldiers did). The point is, citing the month answers that question in a reader's mind in-advance. (In any case, the fact is now capture in TALK.) https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10182-134507/william-holden-in-biographical-summaries-of-notable-people
/info/en/?search=July_1941#July_13,_1941_(Sunday) James Rodriguez 07:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrodor ( talk • contribs) James Rodriguez 07:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)