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I changed the piece regarding the circumstances of his death, see 'Den of Lions' by Terry Anderson
According to the article, Islamists are members of "fundamentalist, puritanical Islamic revival movements". Do we know for certain that the people who kidnaped Buckley were puritanical? Are all terroristic Islamic political movements Islamist?
Yes, indeed, User:Khym Chanur, part of the definition of terroristic Islamic political movements is that they are "Islamist"? Not much room for a quibble here. Not every facet of 'Islamic' culture, however, is 'Islamist' User:Wetman
However, the Wikipedia difinition for Islamist includes "puritanical". Are all terroristic Islamic political movements necessarily puritanical? If not, then the definition for
Islamism needs to be changed. --
Khym Chanur 07:22, Oct 31, 2003 (UTC)
- where is the source for the idea that he was taken to Iran and tortured by "Imad Mugniyah"? Why then would Iran go to all the trouble to take his remains and dump them by an airport road in Beirut?
I've modified blatant mistakes in this biography. Although this story has been told in several books, there is no substantial evidence that Buckley was tortured for 444 days and then killed. On the contrary, public archives of the National Security Council show that he died of natural causes after his kidnapping, and that Hezbollah announced an execution afterwards (like for the French hostage Michel Seurat). Please see the reference I've added and if you disagree I can send you the NSC document. JB 021607
I'm taking the liberty of removing this assertion from the main article:
not because it'd be out of character to the CIA (or "The Secret Team", or whoever) to have done this, but simply because it sounds as if either the contributor who added this, and/or the author of the book in question, is confused about the timeline here -- Woodward et al assert that this carbombing was a retaliation for the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing, not the Buckley killing, and anyway Buckley was still alive by June 1985, and believed to have been alive as late as October, 1985. Whiskey Pete 21:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC) ... and Fadlallah is NOT Hezbollah's spiritual leader: Khomeyni and Khamenei are. As a matter of fact, Fadlallah is even very likely to disagree with the doctrin of velayet et-faqih, on which Hezbollah was built. JB 032607
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Is it Medford or Bedford? 21:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Anything more personal about him? Just a question. LamaLoLeshLa ( talk) 05:14, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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To editor FIRM41: Please discuss. Chris Troutman ( talk) 00:48, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Chris. I understand. Still learning. FIRM41 ( talk) 15:22, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I have removed the following passage from the article:
First of all, spartacus-educational.com is not a reliable source per various discussions at WP:RSN and the second and third sentences do not have anything to do with Buckley. Secondly, this is not even close to an accurate representation of Shackley's involvement with Iran-Contra or the attempts to release Buckley. As the Iran-Contra report notes on pp. 88-89, Manucher Ghorbanifar told Shackley in late 1984 that it might be possible to release Buckley. Shackley forwarded that information to the State Department, but they had already rejected the ransom plan. In March 1985, Michael Ledeen asked Shackley (in Shackley's words): "You spend a lot of time covering the Middle East. Have you got any bright ideas on how to get the hostages out?" Shackley told him about the report that he filed with the State Department (see pp. 202-203 of Shackley's testimony). TIME mentioned all of this here. Also see Shackley's account published in The Washington Post. - Location ( talk) 16:12, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
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I changed the piece regarding the circumstances of his death, see 'Den of Lions' by Terry Anderson
According to the article, Islamists are members of "fundamentalist, puritanical Islamic revival movements". Do we know for certain that the people who kidnaped Buckley were puritanical? Are all terroristic Islamic political movements Islamist?
Yes, indeed, User:Khym Chanur, part of the definition of terroristic Islamic political movements is that they are "Islamist"? Not much room for a quibble here. Not every facet of 'Islamic' culture, however, is 'Islamist' User:Wetman
However, the Wikipedia difinition for Islamist includes "puritanical". Are all terroristic Islamic political movements necessarily puritanical? If not, then the definition for
Islamism needs to be changed. --
Khym Chanur 07:22, Oct 31, 2003 (UTC)
- where is the source for the idea that he was taken to Iran and tortured by "Imad Mugniyah"? Why then would Iran go to all the trouble to take his remains and dump them by an airport road in Beirut?
I've modified blatant mistakes in this biography. Although this story has been told in several books, there is no substantial evidence that Buckley was tortured for 444 days and then killed. On the contrary, public archives of the National Security Council show that he died of natural causes after his kidnapping, and that Hezbollah announced an execution afterwards (like for the French hostage Michel Seurat). Please see the reference I've added and if you disagree I can send you the NSC document. JB 021607
I'm taking the liberty of removing this assertion from the main article:
not because it'd be out of character to the CIA (or "The Secret Team", or whoever) to have done this, but simply because it sounds as if either the contributor who added this, and/or the author of the book in question, is confused about the timeline here -- Woodward et al assert that this carbombing was a retaliation for the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing, not the Buckley killing, and anyway Buckley was still alive by June 1985, and believed to have been alive as late as October, 1985. Whiskey Pete 21:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC) ... and Fadlallah is NOT Hezbollah's spiritual leader: Khomeyni and Khamenei are. As a matter of fact, Fadlallah is even very likely to disagree with the doctrin of velayet et-faqih, on which Hezbollah was built. JB 032607
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Is it Medford or Bedford? 21:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Anything more personal about him? Just a question. LamaLoLeshLa ( talk) 05:14, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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To editor FIRM41: Please discuss. Chris Troutman ( talk) 00:48, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Chris. I understand. Still learning. FIRM41 ( talk) 15:22, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I have removed the following passage from the article:
First of all, spartacus-educational.com is not a reliable source per various discussions at WP:RSN and the second and third sentences do not have anything to do with Buckley. Secondly, this is not even close to an accurate representation of Shackley's involvement with Iran-Contra or the attempts to release Buckley. As the Iran-Contra report notes on pp. 88-89, Manucher Ghorbanifar told Shackley in late 1984 that it might be possible to release Buckley. Shackley forwarded that information to the State Department, but they had already rejected the ransom plan. In March 1985, Michael Ledeen asked Shackley (in Shackley's words): "You spend a lot of time covering the Middle East. Have you got any bright ideas on how to get the hostages out?" Shackley told him about the report that he filed with the State Department (see pp. 202-203 of Shackley's testimony). TIME mentioned all of this here. Also see Shackley's account published in The Washington Post. - Location ( talk) 16:12, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
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