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I started this page with a brief overview based on the little I know and the books I've read. There's little on the net in terms of specific biographical bits, so contributions welcome. If anyone wants to start separate pages for any of the books, the best thing would probably be to take the paragraph about the book from this article (and replace is with a concise one-sentence summary), paste it in the new article and then expand etc. I look forward to seeing this article grow! Frikle 04:42, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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In regard to the 'Controversies' section, this was highly critical material presented as fact in a non- neutral manner - dependent on one source.-- Docg 19:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I have removed this section again. It was poorly cited and certainly biased. I have also locked this page, until editors can agree a neutral version here. I will unprotect when something neutral is worked out. -- Docg 14:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Lao Wai I have amended your intro to Dalrymple. Whatever you think of his work (and your comments on his White Mughals show you are not an admirer) to call him a "journalist and popular historian" is inaccurate and inadequate. I studied South Asian history to MA level and his specialist essays were set texts- and if he ever worked as a journo it was years ago. For better or worse, he was best known as a travel writer when he was young, and is a respected historian of the late mughals. I think "popular historian" is simply not accurate when his history work has won major academic awards such as the Wolfson Prize. You seem to be a specialist in Chinese not Indian history and so are probably unaware the reception his new book has had in India, Pak and the UK. It may not be to your taste (have you read it?) but it has changed the understanding of our First War of Independence. Why this attempt to cut him down when you seem to have posted nothing else that shows any interest on the history of South Asia? AZIZ
I agree with Qp10qp that the term "popular historian" used by Lao is unhelpful and unfair in this case since it is usually used about writers who rely on secondary sources while my copy of The Last Mughal has nearly one hundred pages of scholarly apparatus, has won a major history prize (the Duff Cooper) and has been widely praised for discovering a whole range of new primary sources in Urdu and Persian. How about we compromise with "narrative historian" a term which has been used about historians both in and out of academe such as Simon Schama, John Demos and Anthony Beevor? Lao is clearly a clever guy, but it seems to me that he has some sort of vendetta going here, as his contributions about Dalrymple have all been notably negative. I am new here, but I thought the idea was to attempt a voice of neutrality rather working off personal dislikes? -- Aziz32 03:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)aziz
Lao I don't want to get into some sort of argument here, or ding dong back and forward with edits and counter-edits, but I do agree with Qp10qp that the term "popular historian" you insist on using by is unhelpful (Qp10qp calls is "breatakingly unfair") in this case since it is usually used about writers who rely on secondary sources while my copy of The Last Mughal sitting here has nearly one hundred pages of scholarly apparatus. Moreover the book has won a major history prize (the Duff Cooper) and has been widely praised for discovering a whole range of new primary sources in Urdu and Persian. How about we compromise with "narrative historian" a term which has been used about historians both in and out of academe ranging from Simon Schama and John Demos and Anthony Beevor? Lao Wai you are clearly a clever guy, and I take back my comments on South Asian history since you seem to know about George Michell and Ebba Koch and so on, but it seems to me that he has some sort of vendetta going here, as your contributions about Dalrymple have all been notably negative. I am new here, but I thought the idea was to attempt a voice of scholarly neutrality rather working off personal dislikes? So here is what I have done: 1. change pop historian to narrative historian 2. corrected the fact that all six books have won prizes. 3.add the names of the journals he reviews for 4. been more speciific about his broadcasting 5. Tie up the thematic links bewteen Holy Mountain and White Mughals and 6. replaced the Amartya Sen quote you removed. Can you live with these changes?--Aziz32 03:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe that Dalrymple studied History as a Part I in the Cambridge Tripos but then did his Part II in Art History. This is particularly clear in 'In Xanadu' and in the 'Shadow of the Holy Mountain.'
However, I'm not completely certain of this. I don't have any references to confirm this which is why I wanted to raise the issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Applecart ( talk • contribs) 21:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
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Dalrymple was born William Hamilton-Dalrymple, a son of Sir Hew Hamilton-Dalrymple, 10th baronet, who was a cousin of Virginia Woolf---------Are we sure about this?
He was born in 1926 and she in 1882.-- Shylock's Boy ( talk) 22:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
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Last paragraph of "Interests and Influence" says "He has just completed The Anarchy, a history of the Indian Subcontinent during the period 1739–1803 which saw the collapse of the Mughal imperial system, rise of the Maratha imperial confederacy, and the militarisation and rise of power of the East India Company.[23] It will be published by Bloomsbury in September."
As of when had he just completed it? Apparently the information derives from a Facebook post of February 2019 ( https://www.facebook.com/WilliamDalrympleTheAnarchy). So why does the footnote refer to an article, published in 2015, referring to it as his "new book" to be published "next year"?
-- Curmudgeonly Pedant ( talk) 23:34, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section:
This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 06:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 15:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. None of the other William Dalrymples have any other interwiki links, suggesting a lack of international significance, while this one (the historian) has 20: Q955334. William Dalrymple (historian) gets the vast majority of pageviews—in 2022, 98% went to this article: [1]. I would also argue that he clearly has the most long-term significance: the other William Dalrymples are all very obscure, while this William Dalrymple is one of the most prominent historians today and is a level-5 vital article. Malerisch ( talk) 15:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
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I started this page with a brief overview based on the little I know and the books I've read. There's little on the net in terms of specific biographical bits, so contributions welcome. If anyone wants to start separate pages for any of the books, the best thing would probably be to take the paragraph about the book from this article (and replace is with a concise one-sentence summary), paste it in the new article and then expand etc. I look forward to seeing this article grow! Frikle 04:42, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have removed material from this article that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.
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In regard to the 'Controversies' section, this was highly critical material presented as fact in a non- neutral manner - dependent on one source.-- Docg 19:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I have removed this section again. It was poorly cited and certainly biased. I have also locked this page, until editors can agree a neutral version here. I will unprotect when something neutral is worked out. -- Docg 14:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Lao Wai I have amended your intro to Dalrymple. Whatever you think of his work (and your comments on his White Mughals show you are not an admirer) to call him a "journalist and popular historian" is inaccurate and inadequate. I studied South Asian history to MA level and his specialist essays were set texts- and if he ever worked as a journo it was years ago. For better or worse, he was best known as a travel writer when he was young, and is a respected historian of the late mughals. I think "popular historian" is simply not accurate when his history work has won major academic awards such as the Wolfson Prize. You seem to be a specialist in Chinese not Indian history and so are probably unaware the reception his new book has had in India, Pak and the UK. It may not be to your taste (have you read it?) but it has changed the understanding of our First War of Independence. Why this attempt to cut him down when you seem to have posted nothing else that shows any interest on the history of South Asia? AZIZ
I agree with Qp10qp that the term "popular historian" used by Lao is unhelpful and unfair in this case since it is usually used about writers who rely on secondary sources while my copy of The Last Mughal has nearly one hundred pages of scholarly apparatus, has won a major history prize (the Duff Cooper) and has been widely praised for discovering a whole range of new primary sources in Urdu and Persian. How about we compromise with "narrative historian" a term which has been used about historians both in and out of academe such as Simon Schama, John Demos and Anthony Beevor? Lao is clearly a clever guy, but it seems to me that he has some sort of vendetta going here, as his contributions about Dalrymple have all been notably negative. I am new here, but I thought the idea was to attempt a voice of neutrality rather working off personal dislikes? -- Aziz32 03:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)aziz
Lao I don't want to get into some sort of argument here, or ding dong back and forward with edits and counter-edits, but I do agree with Qp10qp that the term "popular historian" you insist on using by is unhelpful (Qp10qp calls is "breatakingly unfair") in this case since it is usually used about writers who rely on secondary sources while my copy of The Last Mughal sitting here has nearly one hundred pages of scholarly apparatus. Moreover the book has won a major history prize (the Duff Cooper) and has been widely praised for discovering a whole range of new primary sources in Urdu and Persian. How about we compromise with "narrative historian" a term which has been used about historians both in and out of academe ranging from Simon Schama and John Demos and Anthony Beevor? Lao Wai you are clearly a clever guy, and I take back my comments on South Asian history since you seem to know about George Michell and Ebba Koch and so on, but it seems to me that he has some sort of vendetta going here, as your contributions about Dalrymple have all been notably negative. I am new here, but I thought the idea was to attempt a voice of scholarly neutrality rather working off personal dislikes? So here is what I have done: 1. change pop historian to narrative historian 2. corrected the fact that all six books have won prizes. 3.add the names of the journals he reviews for 4. been more speciific about his broadcasting 5. Tie up the thematic links bewteen Holy Mountain and White Mughals and 6. replaced the Amartya Sen quote you removed. Can you live with these changes?--Aziz32 03:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe that Dalrymple studied History as a Part I in the Cambridge Tripos but then did his Part II in Art History. This is particularly clear in 'In Xanadu' and in the 'Shadow of the Holy Mountain.'
However, I'm not completely certain of this. I don't have any references to confirm this which is why I wanted to raise the issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Applecart ( talk • contribs) 21:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
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Last paragraph of "Interests and Influence" says "He has just completed The Anarchy, a history of the Indian Subcontinent during the period 1739–1803 which saw the collapse of the Mughal imperial system, rise of the Maratha imperial confederacy, and the militarisation and rise of power of the East India Company.[23] It will be published by Bloomsbury in September."
As of when had he just completed it? Apparently the information derives from a Facebook post of February 2019 ( https://www.facebook.com/WilliamDalrympleTheAnarchy). So why does the footnote refer to an article, published in 2015, referring to it as his "new book" to be published "next year"?
-- Curmudgeonly Pedant ( talk) 23:34, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section:
This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 06:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 15:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. None of the other William Dalrymples have any other interwiki links, suggesting a lack of international significance, while this one (the historian) has 20: Q955334. William Dalrymple (historian) gets the vast majority of pageviews—in 2022, 98% went to this article: [1]. I would also argue that he clearly has the most long-term significance: the other William Dalrymples are all very obscure, while this William Dalrymple is one of the most prominent historians today and is a level-5 vital article. Malerisch ( talk) 15:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)