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I think the controversy regarding the correct wording of his most famous line (is it "savage breast" or "savage beast") is merited. Mal7798 14:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
(the above moved from Talk:William Congreve (disambiguation)) (John User:Jwy talk) 16:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
There is no controversy at all. One need only pick up any published version of this work. It is "Breast." Here is one example available from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Mourning-Bride-William-Congreve-ebook/dp/B00TRX6G3Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1455587693&sr=8-2&keywords=mourning+bride 6StringJazzer ( talk) 01:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it has been pointed out that "savage" here means "ferine", or "of wild animals". Both adjective and noun could refer to animals at that time. The allusion, taken with the following line, and reading "breast" of course,″ is to the three miracles of Orpheus, who could make beasts, trees and rocks follow him when he played his lute. It does not mean that music can soothe a person's anger. Unfortunately, English scholars tend to miss points like this, since they often lack the linguistic training that classical scholars have. Sorry for the OR. ( talk) 21:30, 30 June 2019 (UTC) Seadowns ( talk) 12:38, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Spellings and capitalization vary elsewhere on the internet. Some differences are: music/Musick, has/hath, soothe/sooth, breast/Breast, etc. Recommendation: use the original spelling and capitalization as penned by Congreve since most people will understand and optionally add a footnote or parenthetical alternative in modern English if needed.
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" - they always taught us it was from William Shakespeare! 93.219.142.144 ( talk) 06:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
It is generally understood that William Congreve was born in Cork, Ireland where his father was working and that he was not born in Yorkshire as he claimed.
It is also believed that he was born in 1672 and not in 1670.
An interesting link regarding this is www.irishwriters-online.com/congrege-william/
I suggest that perhaps the article should be amended to reflect the doubt regarding his place and date of birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beanneadair ( talk • contribs) 12:53, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I agree with you. I raised the point as all my life I understood he was Anglo-Irish (born in Ireland but of English ethnicity) and when I read in Wiki that he was from Yorkshire I was stunned. In Ireland and particularly in Cork where he was probably born, it is taken as a given fact that he is a Corkman. Thank you for taking the time to check other sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beanneadair ( talk • contribs) 16:34, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
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I think the controversy regarding the correct wording of his most famous line (is it "savage breast" or "savage beast") is merited. Mal7798 14:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
(the above moved from Talk:William Congreve (disambiguation)) (John User:Jwy talk) 16:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
There is no controversy at all. One need only pick up any published version of this work. It is "Breast." Here is one example available from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Mourning-Bride-William-Congreve-ebook/dp/B00TRX6G3Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1455587693&sr=8-2&keywords=mourning+bride 6StringJazzer ( talk) 01:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it has been pointed out that "savage" here means "ferine", or "of wild animals". Both adjective and noun could refer to animals at that time. The allusion, taken with the following line, and reading "breast" of course,″ is to the three miracles of Orpheus, who could make beasts, trees and rocks follow him when he played his lute. It does not mean that music can soothe a person's anger. Unfortunately, English scholars tend to miss points like this, since they often lack the linguistic training that classical scholars have. Sorry for the OR. ( talk) 21:30, 30 June 2019 (UTC) Seadowns ( talk) 12:38, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Spellings and capitalization vary elsewhere on the internet. Some differences are: music/Musick, has/hath, soothe/sooth, breast/Breast, etc. Recommendation: use the original spelling and capitalization as penned by Congreve since most people will understand and optionally add a footnote or parenthetical alternative in modern English if needed.
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" - they always taught us it was from William Shakespeare! 93.219.142.144 ( talk) 06:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
It is generally understood that William Congreve was born in Cork, Ireland where his father was working and that he was not born in Yorkshire as he claimed.
It is also believed that he was born in 1672 and not in 1670.
An interesting link regarding this is www.irishwriters-online.com/congrege-william/
I suggest that perhaps the article should be amended to reflect the doubt regarding his place and date of birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beanneadair ( talk • contribs) 12:53, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I agree with you. I raised the point as all my life I understood he was Anglo-Irish (born in Ireland but of English ethnicity) and when I read in Wiki that he was from Yorkshire I was stunned. In Ireland and particularly in Cork where he was probably born, it is taken as a given fact that he is a Corkman. Thank you for taking the time to check other sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beanneadair ( talk • contribs) 16:34, 27 December 2012 (UTC)