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Although it's currently a redirect, this is a very notable piece of legislation and I'd say it's encyclopedically relevant that the Conservatives all voted to negate the constitution. Simonm223 ( talk) 17:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi; I used the two rows times article (a local native newspaper) in regards to the "bias against natives" part because that was the original source and was the first hand interview. The story was subsequently referenced in a Toronto Star article written by Shree Paradkar. "Bias" was admittedly conjecture on my part, but I do think it is clearly there in the source article and given the scope of natives making up such a large part of Bouma's constituency it felt relevant and not a leap. I wasn't attempting any character assassination (not that anyone said that). I felt referencing the original first hand source interview was a better route to go than the opinion piece in the Star about the prime source interview. As the story was carried over to the country's largest newspaper it felt relevant to include.
My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is the constitutional crisis caused by the PC's threatened use of the Notwithstanding clause as much as needed, and in the case of the better local government act IS a major news story and thus has historical value in having it recorded as part of the record of the sitting MPP's, especially those that voted in favour of it. I tried to be careful to not say that Bouma acted alone or made any personal comments, only that the party unanimously voted to use this... I was there for the midnight legislature session and if I wanted to get dickish about it I would have said that Bouman spent the first hour and half until the speaker kicked us all out watching youtube videos on his phone (which he and many other PC's did) instead of paying attention to you know... Democracy and the rights he's sworn to uphold, lol. Again, irrelevant but I do think that the constitutional crisis caused over this matter will wind up being top five news stories in Canada for 2018 and thus should be referenced... The other 32 bills he's voted on as much as they have caused discord would be overkill at this time, but this one I think should be included, and it is referenced as part of the Toronto municipal elections and under the article 33 of the charter articles.
Anyway; I'm the novice here so I'll happily defer to the more experienced group at large, but did want to give some feedback as to why I attempted to include them. Thanks everyone for caring and the work you all put into wikipedia. Fsmythe ( talk) 00:34, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah; minor post script; I can't verify if the original Bill 5 that kicked this off was a free vote, but Ford did say that PC MPP's would be free to vote as they saw fit on Bill 31 which included the Notwithstanding clause, thus I do think that how even backbenchers voted on such an important invocation of that clause is relevant to each MPP. Should the article grow to numerous sub headings would it warrant a full section.. probably not, but I do think in this instance it is worth recording. I would also suggest that if ultimately limiting this matter to the key players Steve Clark (who introduced Bill 31) and Speaker of the House Ted Arnott (who ruled against a challenge that Bills 5 and 31 were the same because bill 31 had article 33 of the charter attached to it) would also be relevant to have comments about this matter included in their bios alongside Ford and Mulroney Fsmythe ( talk) 00:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
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Although it's currently a redirect, this is a very notable piece of legislation and I'd say it's encyclopedically relevant that the Conservatives all voted to negate the constitution. Simonm223 ( talk) 17:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi; I used the two rows times article (a local native newspaper) in regards to the "bias against natives" part because that was the original source and was the first hand interview. The story was subsequently referenced in a Toronto Star article written by Shree Paradkar. "Bias" was admittedly conjecture on my part, but I do think it is clearly there in the source article and given the scope of natives making up such a large part of Bouma's constituency it felt relevant and not a leap. I wasn't attempting any character assassination (not that anyone said that). I felt referencing the original first hand source interview was a better route to go than the opinion piece in the Star about the prime source interview. As the story was carried over to the country's largest newspaper it felt relevant to include.
My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is the constitutional crisis caused by the PC's threatened use of the Notwithstanding clause as much as needed, and in the case of the better local government act IS a major news story and thus has historical value in having it recorded as part of the record of the sitting MPP's, especially those that voted in favour of it. I tried to be careful to not say that Bouma acted alone or made any personal comments, only that the party unanimously voted to use this... I was there for the midnight legislature session and if I wanted to get dickish about it I would have said that Bouman spent the first hour and half until the speaker kicked us all out watching youtube videos on his phone (which he and many other PC's did) instead of paying attention to you know... Democracy and the rights he's sworn to uphold, lol. Again, irrelevant but I do think that the constitutional crisis caused over this matter will wind up being top five news stories in Canada for 2018 and thus should be referenced... The other 32 bills he's voted on as much as they have caused discord would be overkill at this time, but this one I think should be included, and it is referenced as part of the Toronto municipal elections and under the article 33 of the charter articles.
Anyway; I'm the novice here so I'll happily defer to the more experienced group at large, but did want to give some feedback as to why I attempted to include them. Thanks everyone for caring and the work you all put into wikipedia. Fsmythe ( talk) 00:34, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah; minor post script; I can't verify if the original Bill 5 that kicked this off was a free vote, but Ford did say that PC MPP's would be free to vote as they saw fit on Bill 31 which included the Notwithstanding clause, thus I do think that how even backbenchers voted on such an important invocation of that clause is relevant to each MPP. Should the article grow to numerous sub headings would it warrant a full section.. probably not, but I do think in this instance it is worth recording. I would also suggest that if ultimately limiting this matter to the key players Steve Clark (who introduced Bill 31) and Speaker of the House Ted Arnott (who ruled against a challenge that Bills 5 and 31 were the same because bill 31 had article 33 of the charter attached to it) would also be relevant to have comments about this matter included in their bios alongside Ford and Mulroney Fsmythe ( talk) 00:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)