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Wild Carrot (band) → Wild Carrot – The plain title is sufficient to distinguish the topic from Wild carrot per
WP:DIFFCAPS. Seems unlikely that anyone searching for the plant would capitalize "Carrot", since all-lowercase typing is becoming the norm online. The hatnote at Daucus carota would also read more smoothly if it just said, For the band, see Wild Carrot instead of For the music group, see Wild Carrot (band). —
Sangdeboeuf (
talk)
02:12, 9 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose I'm not sure its sufficient give the plant has 5,705 views and the band only has 22[
[1]]. Yes its a common name not a Latin name but I don't think its enough so probably like
Friendly Fire and
Red Meat "Wild Carrot" should be a DAB page instead. Crouch, Swale (
talk)
19:24, 10 December 2022 (UTC)reply
A disambiguation page seems excessive when there's only
one other topic the term could refer to. Page views don't seem to be relevant; the question is whether "Wild Carrot" is likely to be significantly confused with "wild carrot". I doubt it will. The hatnote exists to clear up any remaining ambiguity. —
Sangdeboeuf (
talk)
13:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)reply
I see no reason to ignore it here. Calling it "unhelpful" is not convincing. What logical reason is there to consider "Iron Maiden" unambiguous but not "Wild Carrot"? —
Sangdeboeuf (
talk)
03:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
No, I'm merely pointing out the reality of the situation, which is that many editors oppose DIFFCAPS and RMs are often closed in opposition to it. --
Necrothesp (
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15:40, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
I think it needs to be asked if capitalization is sufficient to have the title case version go to a different topic. I'm a supporter of SMALLDETAILS and supported moving the Friendly Fire DAB page to the base name as I agreed the title case version has no primary topic even if the lower cases does but we're here talking about having a different topic primary and I have concerns based on the page views and the fact species (unlike common nouns) are commonly capitalized. DIFFCAPS says "When such navigation aids are in place, small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics" but it does need to be questioned its its sufficient here. Crouch, Swale (
talk)
18:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
The navigation aids in question could be as simple as a
WP:HATNOTE at the top of each page. This shouldn't be a
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC issue since wild carrot is virtually never capitalized when referring to the plant. Friendly Fire makes sense as a DAB page because it's the title of multiple works that are normally capitalized. That's not the case here. —
Sangdeboeuf (
talk)
22:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose and keep as is. (No dab page). The plant
wild carrot is the primary topic, whether capitalised or not. As Necrothesp notes, DIFFCAPS for this sort of title case/sentence case split is a highly controversial area, and even the previous poster-child example of
Red Meat is now a dab. Given the relative obscurity of the band relative to the plant, a dab page isn't called for here either. —
Amakuru (
talk)
13:49, 19 December 2022 (UTC)reply
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Wild Carrot (band) → Wild Carrot – The plain title is sufficient to distinguish the topic from Wild carrot per
WP:DIFFCAPS. Seems unlikely that anyone searching for the plant would capitalize "Carrot", since all-lowercase typing is becoming the norm online. The hatnote at Daucus carota would also read more smoothly if it just said, For the band, see Wild Carrot instead of For the music group, see Wild Carrot (band). —
Sangdeboeuf (
talk)
02:12, 9 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose I'm not sure its sufficient give the plant has 5,705 views and the band only has 22[
[1]]. Yes its a common name not a Latin name but I don't think its enough so probably like
Friendly Fire and
Red Meat "Wild Carrot" should be a DAB page instead. Crouch, Swale (
talk)
19:24, 10 December 2022 (UTC)reply
A disambiguation page seems excessive when there's only
one other topic the term could refer to. Page views don't seem to be relevant; the question is whether "Wild Carrot" is likely to be significantly confused with "wild carrot". I doubt it will. The hatnote exists to clear up any remaining ambiguity. —
Sangdeboeuf (
talk)
13:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)reply
I see no reason to ignore it here. Calling it "unhelpful" is not convincing. What logical reason is there to consider "Iron Maiden" unambiguous but not "Wild Carrot"? —
Sangdeboeuf (
talk)
03:05, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
No, I'm merely pointing out the reality of the situation, which is that many editors oppose DIFFCAPS and RMs are often closed in opposition to it. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
15:40, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
I think it needs to be asked if capitalization is sufficient to have the title case version go to a different topic. I'm a supporter of SMALLDETAILS and supported moving the Friendly Fire DAB page to the base name as I agreed the title case version has no primary topic even if the lower cases does but we're here talking about having a different topic primary and I have concerns based on the page views and the fact species (unlike common nouns) are commonly capitalized. DIFFCAPS says "When such navigation aids are in place, small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics" but it does need to be questioned its its sufficient here. Crouch, Swale (
talk)
18:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
The navigation aids in question could be as simple as a
WP:HATNOTE at the top of each page. This shouldn't be a
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC issue since wild carrot is virtually never capitalized when referring to the plant. Friendly Fire makes sense as a DAB page because it's the title of multiple works that are normally capitalized. That's not the case here. —
Sangdeboeuf (
talk)
22:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose and keep as is. (No dab page). The plant
wild carrot is the primary topic, whether capitalised or not. As Necrothesp notes, DIFFCAPS for this sort of title case/sentence case split is a highly controversial area, and even the previous poster-child example of
Red Meat is now a dab. Given the relative obscurity of the band relative to the plant, a dab page isn't called for here either. —
Amakuru (
talk)
13:49, 19 December 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.