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I merged the W section with an ancestry section; it seemed to me there was more than just the Wig- info to talk about. I have reffed what I put in that section; I think there's a bit more to add yet, too. I think Kirby has something about the Life of St. Wigstan claiming a connection between the B and W dynasties, for example. I also think some version of the family tree that Yorke has on p. 119 would be good; I'll try to do that, and also a map.
The section on the loss and regaining of the kingdom should be straightforward. I think it's also worth talking about Carolingian influence here, as with Eardwulf and Egbert; Kirby's theory about the withdrawal of Carolingian support from Egbert seems very supportable to me, and is obviously relevant to Wiglaf. Mike Christie (talk) 03:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I have to head out on some errands in a minute so this is just to capture some ideas on organization. I think the discussion of whether Wiglaf regained independence from Egbert will refer to almost everything else relevant -- charter evidence, chronicle entries, coinage, and so on. In order to avoid ending up with one big section, it might be better to change the sections to: "First reign and defeat by Wessex"; then "Second reign", making this not interpretive but listing what evidence is known (or perhaps taking the most common view, that Wiglaf did regain independence); then "Coinage" (this section could expand to include trade, laws, anything else that seems relevant); then "Foreign relations", which could include both a discussion of Carolingian influence and the theory that Wiglaf remained a client of Wessex's. Mike Christie (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
A to do list:
-- Mike Christie (talk) 02:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Roger Davies left a hidden note against this: "Beorhtwulf, brought the Welsh back under Mercian control", commenting that it would be better to identify the Welsh kingdoms specifically. The Chronicle's entry for 853 says ([A] text): "Here Burhred, king of Mercia, and his councillors asked King Aethelwulf that he would help them to subject the Welsh. He then did so, and with the army went through Mercia into Wales, and they made them all subject to them." (Swanton, p. 64.) If there's a source that's more specific I agree it would be good to use it, but I don't know of one. Mike Christie (talk) 16:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
There's a character named Wiglaf in Beowulf. What does this tell us either about Beowulf, or Wiglaf? See also Wægmunding, the clan to which Wiglaf and Beowulf belonged - a name rather like Wigmund. There's also a Weohstan (similar to Wystan/Wigstan), and an Ælfhere listed as members. Seems like the Mercian rulers quite liked Beowulf - so much that they named themselves after characters in it. TharkunColl 00:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Awadewit's comments from FAC weren't completely addressed by the time the article was promoted. I'm posting them here so they don't get lost; both are rewriting requests.
These are cut and pasted exchanges without the links.
First, the lead:
Second, the section on ancestry:
I'll try to come back to these, but if anyone wants to have a go at cleaning these up, please do. Mike Christie (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
'Wessex' here should be 'Mercia'. Ecgbert ruled for a year in Mercia before being pegged back to Wessex, where he ruled from 802 till 839.
Dantes Warden ( talk) 10:13, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Don't want to play around with this while it's on the front page, but I wonder St Wystan's Church, Repton is worth a mention/link in the para. on Wiglaf's burial. I may have missed it, but I can't see it linked elsewhere. The new (Hartwell/Pevsner/Williamson 2016) Derbyshire Pevsner has an interesting entry, (pp=561-565), on what it calls the "royal necropolis" of St Wystan's, which could be used as a source if needed. KJP1 ( talk) 11:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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I merged the W section with an ancestry section; it seemed to me there was more than just the Wig- info to talk about. I have reffed what I put in that section; I think there's a bit more to add yet, too. I think Kirby has something about the Life of St. Wigstan claiming a connection between the B and W dynasties, for example. I also think some version of the family tree that Yorke has on p. 119 would be good; I'll try to do that, and also a map.
The section on the loss and regaining of the kingdom should be straightforward. I think it's also worth talking about Carolingian influence here, as with Eardwulf and Egbert; Kirby's theory about the withdrawal of Carolingian support from Egbert seems very supportable to me, and is obviously relevant to Wiglaf. Mike Christie (talk) 03:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I have to head out on some errands in a minute so this is just to capture some ideas on organization. I think the discussion of whether Wiglaf regained independence from Egbert will refer to almost everything else relevant -- charter evidence, chronicle entries, coinage, and so on. In order to avoid ending up with one big section, it might be better to change the sections to: "First reign and defeat by Wessex"; then "Second reign", making this not interpretive but listing what evidence is known (or perhaps taking the most common view, that Wiglaf did regain independence); then "Coinage" (this section could expand to include trade, laws, anything else that seems relevant); then "Foreign relations", which could include both a discussion of Carolingian influence and the theory that Wiglaf remained a client of Wessex's. Mike Christie (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
A to do list:
-- Mike Christie (talk) 02:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Roger Davies left a hidden note against this: "Beorhtwulf, brought the Welsh back under Mercian control", commenting that it would be better to identify the Welsh kingdoms specifically. The Chronicle's entry for 853 says ([A] text): "Here Burhred, king of Mercia, and his councillors asked King Aethelwulf that he would help them to subject the Welsh. He then did so, and with the army went through Mercia into Wales, and they made them all subject to them." (Swanton, p. 64.) If there's a source that's more specific I agree it would be good to use it, but I don't know of one. Mike Christie (talk) 16:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
There's a character named Wiglaf in Beowulf. What does this tell us either about Beowulf, or Wiglaf? See also Wægmunding, the clan to which Wiglaf and Beowulf belonged - a name rather like Wigmund. There's also a Weohstan (similar to Wystan/Wigstan), and an Ælfhere listed as members. Seems like the Mercian rulers quite liked Beowulf - so much that they named themselves after characters in it. TharkunColl 00:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Awadewit's comments from FAC weren't completely addressed by the time the article was promoted. I'm posting them here so they don't get lost; both are rewriting requests.
These are cut and pasted exchanges without the links.
First, the lead:
Second, the section on ancestry:
I'll try to come back to these, but if anyone wants to have a go at cleaning these up, please do. Mike Christie (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
'Wessex' here should be 'Mercia'. Ecgbert ruled for a year in Mercia before being pegged back to Wessex, where he ruled from 802 till 839.
Dantes Warden ( talk) 10:13, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Don't want to play around with this while it's on the front page, but I wonder St Wystan's Church, Repton is worth a mention/link in the para. on Wiglaf's burial. I may have missed it, but I can't see it linked elsewhere. The new (Hartwell/Pevsner/Williamson 2016) Derbyshire Pevsner has an interesting entry, (pp=561-565), on what it calls the "royal necropolis" of St Wystan's, which could be used as a source if needed. KJP1 ( talk) 11:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)