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This is a matter for discussion and finding sources first. ww2censor 15:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
It is much more likely that the name Wicklow is a combination of the word Vik meaning inlet, common in many Nordic/Saxon place names, and the Nordic word Logi/Loge pronounced lawghi or lawghe, meaning flame or light. The old town coat-of arms for Wicklow town show a "lighthouse/tower& flame" which would indicate that the town in bygone years remembers its' ancient connection with the sea and a very likely old tradition of keeping a light burning to guide mariners safely in to port. The old Norse traders and warriors did not regard themselves as "Vikings". The term was often used to mean a person or persons acting against accepted norms of the day. It would be highly unlikely that such a trading community as Wicklow in the 10th century would call itself anything connected with the word "Viking". Even if that is what they were. originally posted by User:Oscardh (10:42, September 2, 2006) on article page
The basis for my alternative explanation of how Wicklow got its name can be put in three arguments.
1. The old Wicklow town coat of arms showing a blazing fire. If this fire/"light" has its background in an old seal/old documents showing the "flame" motif, then argument nr. 2 comes in to play. If the "flame/fire" motif is of a fairly new origin, then I have no case.
2. According to the book "Gammel norsk" (Old Norse/Norwegian) by Leif Hebbstad, the Norske Samlaget 1930, the word flame (lòge som brenn/loga) is Log. (Pronunciation not like the English log but like lawgh. Flame could also be Loggi (as lawghi) and a burning log of wood would be Logbrandr.
3. If Wicklow's name came into use after 1171 and/or after the Hiberno-Norse Ostmen had gone from the place, then it might well be likely that the scribes of the Middle Ages might have called Wicklow a name based on the Viking presence earlier. But if the name appeared when the Ostmen traders (and slavers) were in full swing, it would be highly unlikely that they themselves or the Wicklow clans with whom they had their trade (and occasional fights) would call themselves something to do with Vikings. Wicklow was - and in a way still is - a Vik. oscardh —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscardh ( talk • contribs) 13:33, September 20, 2006
I believe the copy vio notice placed on March 22 should be removed. I've been watching this article for a while and contributing occasionally. I'm virtually certain that the Town and country website lifted the content from Wikipedia and not the other way around. Is there any way to check this? Nelson50 T 12:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
"The East Breakwater, arguably the most important building in the town"
I don't think it's a building. I live in Wicklow and have never heard of this, and can't find any real references to it online. I think it's referring to what we call the "old pier". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.53.135 ( talk) 15:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Just My 2¢ Worth:
I have found a few mentions online, but it's not clear if they mean it's a building, a part of the harbor they shaped manually, or perhaps a lighthouse. I've been trying for about a week now to find out for an article I'm writing about Wicklow.
Here's an example of what is out there about East Breakwater, which is on the site of Conway Port, which seems to be in charge of running the same port in Wicklow:
"...the town had become a booming industry by then and Halpin was present during the construction of the all-important East Breakwater in 1880."
ObadiahKatz ( talk) 04:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
References
I note that this book has been cited as the reference to the "Church of the toothless one". However, it is likely if not certain that this is a circular reference. I added this piece to the article pre 2007 (in addition to the newer piece on the uprising of 1641) and given that this nugget is something that will be familiar to anyone who went to primary school in the town and seems to lack historical references is it likely that a certain Camille DeAngelis (Moon Ireland, Avalon Travel, 2007, ISBN 1598800485, p111) would know about it? Bit of a conundrum.
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No, is not. He is a Norwegian professor of Celtic languages. Finn Bjørklid ( talk) 21:45, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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This is a matter for discussion and finding sources first. ww2censor 15:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
It is much more likely that the name Wicklow is a combination of the word Vik meaning inlet, common in many Nordic/Saxon place names, and the Nordic word Logi/Loge pronounced lawghi or lawghe, meaning flame or light. The old town coat-of arms for Wicklow town show a "lighthouse/tower& flame" which would indicate that the town in bygone years remembers its' ancient connection with the sea and a very likely old tradition of keeping a light burning to guide mariners safely in to port. The old Norse traders and warriors did not regard themselves as "Vikings". The term was often used to mean a person or persons acting against accepted norms of the day. It would be highly unlikely that such a trading community as Wicklow in the 10th century would call itself anything connected with the word "Viking". Even if that is what they were. originally posted by User:Oscardh (10:42, September 2, 2006) on article page
The basis for my alternative explanation of how Wicklow got its name can be put in three arguments.
1. The old Wicklow town coat of arms showing a blazing fire. If this fire/"light" has its background in an old seal/old documents showing the "flame" motif, then argument nr. 2 comes in to play. If the "flame/fire" motif is of a fairly new origin, then I have no case.
2. According to the book "Gammel norsk" (Old Norse/Norwegian) by Leif Hebbstad, the Norske Samlaget 1930, the word flame (lòge som brenn/loga) is Log. (Pronunciation not like the English log but like lawgh. Flame could also be Loggi (as lawghi) and a burning log of wood would be Logbrandr.
3. If Wicklow's name came into use after 1171 and/or after the Hiberno-Norse Ostmen had gone from the place, then it might well be likely that the scribes of the Middle Ages might have called Wicklow a name based on the Viking presence earlier. But if the name appeared when the Ostmen traders (and slavers) were in full swing, it would be highly unlikely that they themselves or the Wicklow clans with whom they had their trade (and occasional fights) would call themselves something to do with Vikings. Wicklow was - and in a way still is - a Vik. oscardh —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscardh ( talk • contribs) 13:33, September 20, 2006
I believe the copy vio notice placed on March 22 should be removed. I've been watching this article for a while and contributing occasionally. I'm virtually certain that the Town and country website lifted the content from Wikipedia and not the other way around. Is there any way to check this? Nelson50 T 12:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
"The East Breakwater, arguably the most important building in the town"
I don't think it's a building. I live in Wicklow and have never heard of this, and can't find any real references to it online. I think it's referring to what we call the "old pier". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.53.135 ( talk) 15:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Just My 2¢ Worth:
I have found a few mentions online, but it's not clear if they mean it's a building, a part of the harbor they shaped manually, or perhaps a lighthouse. I've been trying for about a week now to find out for an article I'm writing about Wicklow.
Here's an example of what is out there about East Breakwater, which is on the site of Conway Port, which seems to be in charge of running the same port in Wicklow:
"...the town had become a booming industry by then and Halpin was present during the construction of the all-important East Breakwater in 1880."
ObadiahKatz ( talk) 04:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
References
I note that this book has been cited as the reference to the "Church of the toothless one". However, it is likely if not certain that this is a circular reference. I added this piece to the article pre 2007 (in addition to the newer piece on the uprising of 1641) and given that this nugget is something that will be familiar to anyone who went to primary school in the town and seems to lack historical references is it likely that a certain Camille DeAngelis (Moon Ireland, Avalon Travel, 2007, ISBN 1598800485, p111) would know about it? Bit of a conundrum.
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No, is not. He is a Norwegian professor of Celtic languages. Finn Bjørklid ( talk) 21:45, 21 March 2023 (UTC)