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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that "Who Says" is said to be inspired by the hate
Selena Gomez received online due to her relationship with
Justin Bieber?
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The lead must be reduced to one to two paragraphs maximum, per
WP:LEAD and the article's prose size of 9 KB. I suggest reducing the composition info in the lead.
"which are said to be" -
WP:WEASELWORDS; be specific on who said it is such and such
MOS:LAYOUT discourages small sections. I suggest removing the subheadings in Reception.
Numbers above 9 are written as numerals per
WP:MOSNUM. Pay attention in the Chart performance section.
Charts and certification tables need formatting per
WP:ACCESS.
Prose issues
"with the latter also producing the track." - clumsy prose. "Priscilla Renea wrote the song with Emanuel Kiriakou, who produced the track."
Remove the words "several" and "numerous". They are considered too vague.
"The song charted in the top thirty in the United States" - "thirty" -> "30"
"the band released their debut album, Kiss & Tell, and quickly followed-up" – commas not needed.
"After the release of the latter Gomez said that she was not in a rush" - comma after "latter"
"Gomez would later call the song 'fun and empowering,' commenting 'Every time I sing this song, I'm like, 'I feel better already!'" - there should be a single quote mark (') after "already!" and there should be a comma after "commenting". The comma in "fun and empowering" should be moved to after the quotation mark.
iTunes Countdown does not need to be in italics.
"as in whereas the previous were dance-pop and club-oriented, "Who Says" draws from the teen pop genre"
The audio sample fails
WP:NFCC#8; it does not illustrate a specific concept of the song. It should illustrate musical elements, not lyrics. Find a better caption or remove.
I notified the nominator that the article was on hold. (S)he has made edits since then, but not in response to my review. The GAN has thus failed, sorry. Feel free to address issues and re-nominate. Cheers, —
WP:PENGUIN·[
TALK ]02:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)reply
As there has been no comment on this for nearly a week, I am closing this. This may be re-nominated in the future, but it fails this GA candidacy. ToaNidhiki0516:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)reply
GA review (see
here for what the criteria are, and
here for what they are not)
Most issues with this article are with prose, not content.
Lede
Change "According to Gomez, the song was intended to inspire people, and fire back at the "haters", particularly those involved in cyberbullying." to "According to Gomez, the song was intended to inspire people and to fire back at the "haters", particularly those involved in cyberbullying." Also, clarification on what Gomez meant by 'haters' might be good to add.
Change ""Who Says" marks a distinct departure in sound for the band, as it has an acoustic and organic feel, compared to their dance-pop and club-oriented previous singles." to ""Who Says" marks a distinct departure in sound for the band, having an "acoustic" and "organic" feel as compared to their previous dance-pop and club-oriented singles."
The last sentence of the lede is unneeded - the lyrical content and sound have both already been discussed in that paragraph.
"The song charted in the top thirty in the United States, Canada and New Zealand, and it became their highest charting single on these charts." could be rewritten to note it topped the Dance Play chart, since this is an American group; I would also suggest you use a semicolon instead of a period.
The generalization of weak charting in Europe may not be accurate since it was a top forty hit in Ireland and a top ten hit in Belgium. You could rewrite it to something like "It also made appearances on several European charts"
Elaborate what a platinum certification means - not all readers will know what a certification even is.
Did Gomez perform the song solo or with her band? This is important to note as the song is credited to Selena Gomez and the Scene, not just herself as a solo artist.
Background and Inspiration
Change "In 2009, the band released their debut album Kiss & Tell and quickly followed-up with 2010's A Year Without Rain." to something like "In 2009, Selena Gomez and the Scene released their debut album, Kiss & Tell. They quickly followed-up by releasing their second album, A Year Without Rain, in 2010."
Change "Gomez mentioned the criticism received on Twitter and Facebook due to being a celebrity, and critics such as Nardine Saad of the Los Angeles Times inferred this as firing back at the hate received after she started dating Canadian recording artist Justin Bieber earlier in the year." to "Gomez mentioned the criticism she had received on Twitter and Facebook due to being a celebrity, and critics such as Nardine Saad of the Los Angeles Times inferred this as firing back at the hate Gomez had received after she bgean dating Canadian recording artist Justin Bieber earlier in the year."
Change "The song was released on iTunes in the United States and Canada on March 14, 2011. It was released as a CD single in Germany on March 15, 2011, with the B-side of "Ghost of You" from A Year Without Rain." to "The song was released on iTunes in the United States and Canada on March 14, 2011, and it was released as a CD single in Germany on March 15, 2011, with its B-side being "Ghost of You", which had been included on A Year Without Rain."
You need to change the first sentence to reflect as a band, not solo, release.
Change "According to the sheet music published at Musicnotes.com by Alfred Publishing, "Who Says" is set in common time in a moderate tempo of 100 beats per minute. It is composed in the key of E major as Gomez's vocal range spans from the low-note of G#3 to the high-note of C#5." to "According to the sheet music published at Musicnotes.com by Alfred Publishing, "Who Says" is set in common time with a moderate tempo of 100 beats per minute. It is composed in the key of E major, and Gomez's vocal range spans from the low-note of G#3 to the high-note of C#5."
Change ""Described as a "jangly pop tune", having an "overarching feel-good vibe", lyrically, the song speaks of "embracing who you are and not letting your critics get you down."" to ""Described as a "jangly pop tune" and as having an "overarching feel-good vibe", the song lyrically speaks of "embracing who you are and not letting your critics get you down.""
Remove the first comma in "Gomez sings of insecurities, and people telling her she is not good enough, before asserting "I'm sure you got some things/ You'd like to change about yourself/ But when it comes to me/ I wouldn't want to be anybody else.""
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Who Says (Selena Gomez & the Scene song) was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the
good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be
renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that "Who Says" is said to be inspired by the hate
Selena Gomez received online due to her relationship with
Justin Bieber?
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Songs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
songs on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SongsWikipedia:WikiProject SongsTemplate:WikiProject Songssong articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pop music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to
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This article is within the scope of
WikiProject Selena Gomez, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.Selena GomezWikipedia:WikiProject Selena GomezTemplate:WikiProject Selena GomezSelena Gomez articles
The lead must be reduced to one to two paragraphs maximum, per
WP:LEAD and the article's prose size of 9 KB. I suggest reducing the composition info in the lead.
"which are said to be" -
WP:WEASELWORDS; be specific on who said it is such and such
MOS:LAYOUT discourages small sections. I suggest removing the subheadings in Reception.
Numbers above 9 are written as numerals per
WP:MOSNUM. Pay attention in the Chart performance section.
Charts and certification tables need formatting per
WP:ACCESS.
Prose issues
"with the latter also producing the track." - clumsy prose. "Priscilla Renea wrote the song with Emanuel Kiriakou, who produced the track."
Remove the words "several" and "numerous". They are considered too vague.
"The song charted in the top thirty in the United States" - "thirty" -> "30"
"the band released their debut album, Kiss & Tell, and quickly followed-up" – commas not needed.
"After the release of the latter Gomez said that she was not in a rush" - comma after "latter"
"Gomez would later call the song 'fun and empowering,' commenting 'Every time I sing this song, I'm like, 'I feel better already!'" - there should be a single quote mark (') after "already!" and there should be a comma after "commenting". The comma in "fun and empowering" should be moved to after the quotation mark.
iTunes Countdown does not need to be in italics.
"as in whereas the previous were dance-pop and club-oriented, "Who Says" draws from the teen pop genre"
The audio sample fails
WP:NFCC#8; it does not illustrate a specific concept of the song. It should illustrate musical elements, not lyrics. Find a better caption or remove.
I notified the nominator that the article was on hold. (S)he has made edits since then, but not in response to my review. The GAN has thus failed, sorry. Feel free to address issues and re-nominate. Cheers, —
WP:PENGUIN·[
TALK ]02:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)reply
As there has been no comment on this for nearly a week, I am closing this. This may be re-nominated in the future, but it fails this GA candidacy. ToaNidhiki0516:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)reply
GA review (see
here for what the criteria are, and
here for what they are not)
Most issues with this article are with prose, not content.
Lede
Change "According to Gomez, the song was intended to inspire people, and fire back at the "haters", particularly those involved in cyberbullying." to "According to Gomez, the song was intended to inspire people and to fire back at the "haters", particularly those involved in cyberbullying." Also, clarification on what Gomez meant by 'haters' might be good to add.
Change ""Who Says" marks a distinct departure in sound for the band, as it has an acoustic and organic feel, compared to their dance-pop and club-oriented previous singles." to ""Who Says" marks a distinct departure in sound for the band, having an "acoustic" and "organic" feel as compared to their previous dance-pop and club-oriented singles."
The last sentence of the lede is unneeded - the lyrical content and sound have both already been discussed in that paragraph.
"The song charted in the top thirty in the United States, Canada and New Zealand, and it became their highest charting single on these charts." could be rewritten to note it topped the Dance Play chart, since this is an American group; I would also suggest you use a semicolon instead of a period.
The generalization of weak charting in Europe may not be accurate since it was a top forty hit in Ireland and a top ten hit in Belgium. You could rewrite it to something like "It also made appearances on several European charts"
Elaborate what a platinum certification means - not all readers will know what a certification even is.
Did Gomez perform the song solo or with her band? This is important to note as the song is credited to Selena Gomez and the Scene, not just herself as a solo artist.
Background and Inspiration
Change "In 2009, the band released their debut album Kiss & Tell and quickly followed-up with 2010's A Year Without Rain." to something like "In 2009, Selena Gomez and the Scene released their debut album, Kiss & Tell. They quickly followed-up by releasing their second album, A Year Without Rain, in 2010."
Change "Gomez mentioned the criticism received on Twitter and Facebook due to being a celebrity, and critics such as Nardine Saad of the Los Angeles Times inferred this as firing back at the hate received after she started dating Canadian recording artist Justin Bieber earlier in the year." to "Gomez mentioned the criticism she had received on Twitter and Facebook due to being a celebrity, and critics such as Nardine Saad of the Los Angeles Times inferred this as firing back at the hate Gomez had received after she bgean dating Canadian recording artist Justin Bieber earlier in the year."
Change "The song was released on iTunes in the United States and Canada on March 14, 2011. It was released as a CD single in Germany on March 15, 2011, with the B-side of "Ghost of You" from A Year Without Rain." to "The song was released on iTunes in the United States and Canada on March 14, 2011, and it was released as a CD single in Germany on March 15, 2011, with its B-side being "Ghost of You", which had been included on A Year Without Rain."
You need to change the first sentence to reflect as a band, not solo, release.
Change "According to the sheet music published at Musicnotes.com by Alfred Publishing, "Who Says" is set in common time in a moderate tempo of 100 beats per minute. It is composed in the key of E major as Gomez's vocal range spans from the low-note of G#3 to the high-note of C#5." to "According to the sheet music published at Musicnotes.com by Alfred Publishing, "Who Says" is set in common time with a moderate tempo of 100 beats per minute. It is composed in the key of E major, and Gomez's vocal range spans from the low-note of G#3 to the high-note of C#5."
Change ""Described as a "jangly pop tune", having an "overarching feel-good vibe", lyrically, the song speaks of "embracing who you are and not letting your critics get you down."" to ""Described as a "jangly pop tune" and as having an "overarching feel-good vibe", the song lyrically speaks of "embracing who you are and not letting your critics get you down.""
Remove the first comma in "Gomez sings of insecurities, and people telling her she is not good enough, before asserting "I'm sure you got some things/ You'd like to change about yourself/ But when it comes to me/ I wouldn't want to be anybody else.""
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