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Why is Toto at the bottom of the page? xD -- 98.217.61.141 ( talk) 04:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
This article could use some editing. The first paragraph on the writing and recording is fair, but the rest of it is rather poor. The "speculations" section is just that; speculative. The "alternative versions" section repeats a lot of the info from the "writing" section. Maybe this comes from the use of the Beatles template, but the result is fragmented. Oh, and as someone else mentioned here, the chord changes have been used in other songs; quite a few songs share the beginning sequence of Am - Am/G - Am/F# (F#m6) and Am/F (Fmaj7). 80.202.215.74 ( talk) 14:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I have just removed the following from the article re the 2002 Concert for George "It was the first time that Starr and McCartney had performed together since recording " All Those Years Ago" in 1981."
Does this refer to live performance? If it refers to recording sessions then it is incorrect, as Paul & Ringo recorded in 1994 for " Free as a Bird", 1995 for " Real Love" and tracks from McCartney's album Flaming Pie issued in 1997. Design 01:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Uh, it doesn't seem to state who sings lead on the studio recorded version - is it Harrison? Stevage 08:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Jake shimabukuro plays this on the ukulele and that has become a very popular video, when searching for the song, that video comes up higher on google's page rank than the actual song
this song (00:51) has the same chords as the oasis' song from theur album (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, she's electric at 00:53. please note it is the same chord scheme. should it be added to the main article? ( HelenoBR 00:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC))
It's asserted in The Concert for Bangladesh article that the concert was the first time it was publicly revealed that Clapton played the solo to this song. Is that a correct assertion and what would be a good reference for that if it is?- Wisekwai 19:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that that is not the case. Lewisohn's The Complete Beatles Recordings would be the definitive proof, I would think. Styxman 06:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
This anonymous edit adds a reference to "Casey Vail": 121802617
I can't find any mention of a guitarist w/ that name on google. Sounds bogus to me - Tyler Oderkirk 01:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
At the end of this song on the Love album, John Lennon can be heard saying quite cleary "[something] the mike of the channel is quite low this just keeps [something] with my maracas, you know... You know those old channels"
I don't know how, or if you want to incorporate this into the article, but there you go.
That's actually from the version of "A Day in the Life", which is the next track on the album. It's not from "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" Scmods ( talk) 08:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot 03:52, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
What's infamous about it? It's a great solo. Scmods ( talk) 08:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree. I was surprised to see the word 'infamous' in there, with its negative connotation. Is there news I'm missing? Enivel ( talk) 13:11, 23 November 2007
The external link seems to be to a Microsoft Media protocol, not directly playable outside the Microsoft hegemony and no longer supported by Microsoft. Unless I'm missing something (always possible), this is the external link:
http://www.warnerreprise.com/asx/tompetty_ghigentlyweeps_300-v.asx
with XML that points to the MMS server which doesn't seem to be influenced by rtsp protocol:
mms://wm.wbr.com/tompetty/gharrison_induction/tompetty_ghi_gently-weeps_300.wmv
Without something playable by the general public, shouldn't this at least be removed from the opening of the article, if not the article itself? If I'm correct, we might as well plant a 'best viewed with Microsoft Explorer' banner. I suggest demoting it into the External Links section.
-- UnicornTapestry ( talk) 07:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Use_of_.22The.22_mid-sentence. The "the" in "The Beatles" when speaking of the band is not capitalized mid-sentence. Same goes for the Who, the Yardbirds, the Cure, etc. Look into it (not in this haphazardly edited nightmare of an online encyclopedia, but in reputably edited printed matter), and you'll see that that's right. It's just typographical convention and is not a debatable thing, really. The "the" in The Beatles, the album name, however, is, because without it you're not reporting the true name of the album. I hope that answrs the ????? you had. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 11:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Please don't presume to instruct me about seeking consensus. It is not necessary to seek consensus for what is a long-established typographical convention that has no effect on content and over which one would not expect rock fans to be equipped to quibble. If some group of groupies think that the "the" gets capitalized, that's their problem, and I doubt I'll be the last fool to blunder in here copyediting in defiance of some cabal's arbitrary, idiosyncratic punctuation regime. I think it's unreasonable of you, John Cardinal, to expect anyone to look beyond the MoS for such a fiddly tweak as this one, and I'll continue to correct the capitalization of "the" in such cases wherever I find it. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 13:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
and later in an electric version featuring a backward guitar solo (as Harrison had done in "I'm Only Sleeping" on Revolver), but no version seemed to work
i never ever heard of this version with a backwards guitar solo, there isn't even a version the song with george on lead electric guitar in existence, at least not in the 140 GB of beatles music i have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.246.112 ( talk) 19:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm noticed (and was told too) there could be two basses - one is slighty higher. Or it could be one double bass. Saemikneu ( talk) 12:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Source: Interview with NPR, November 13, 2018 (@ ~ 25:55).
https://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2018/11/13/666154261/how-the-beatles-made-the-white-album?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2042&fbclid=IwAR0IaULytF8uQr8u5-K0iq_5mHmsuGxkhh3JLgDUknKoLmqFNAAIJdAohfo Saemikneu ( talk) 23:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
The covers section is growing out of control. We need some inclusion criteria or better yet think about just getting rid of it entirely. Ridernyc ( talk) 15:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
I have been bold and removed the list until there can be some sort of inclusion criteria. Released as single, chart position, reviews. Something, anything, there needs to a be a criteria. Ridernyc ( talk) 16:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
There is a nice cover by Carlos Santana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.151.178.247 ( talk) 13:27, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Yngwie Malmsteen - Blue Lightning - just popped up on my inet radio, quite good, though it was GH initially (which would have been strange for a HM channel!) Sawatts ( talk) 16:20, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
... the continued minor triads (III, VI and II) should be notated as "... the continued minor triads (iii, vi and ii)" in order to conform to proper designation of minor chords. Here's a source: http://musictheoryblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/roman-numeral-chord-notation.html wbchaney ( talk) Wbchaney ( talk) 15:22, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I need to call into question using the website Songfacts.com as a reference. The website is primarily fan-based. The website FAQ states that they list their data sources as interviews with singers which may or may not be published, books, magazine articles, and other print sources. However, none of these print sources are actually listed and there are no interviews on the website with Beatles members. There is an interview with Yoko Ono, but she does not discuss anything relevant to this song. Wjlmiv65 ( talk) 21:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
It's quite wrong to say ADT is "also known as" varispeed: They're separate things, but the combination of the two is what makes the characteristic sound being discussed here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.245.59 ( talk) 13:05, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Toto covered this song.
BSc600 ( talk) 03:45, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
See WP:COVERSONG. Can you supply a citation by a reliable source on the subject of the song where the cover is discussed? I took a quick look and didn't find anything. Richard-of-Earth ( talk) 20:17, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Reading this article you would think Eric Clapton did this song, not the 4 Beatles. He was brought in by Harrison as a sessions musician on the final recording, mainly to get Lennon and McCartney to take the song serious after many rejections by the band - 28. Clapton was told what to do. His guitar was double tracked with an organ in the mixing. The sound men made the guitar sound like how Harrison's would be. https://www.soundonsound.com/people/beatles-while-my-guitar-gently-weeps What makes the recording is the haunting organ and bass in the background, not the lead which was not exceptional at all. Why all this fuss about a sessions man - that was what he was on this recording, and would have been paid the union rate for a sessions man by EMI. Hundreds of people played on Beatles recordings, including Brian Jones of the 'Stones. No one makes a big thing about that. 94.3.15.159 ( talk) 15:18, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
I've just listened to the Esher Demo of this song, and the harmonium on that version sounds a lot like Bach's Ich ruf' zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 639, particularly the version played by Leonid Roizman as it would be used by Andrei Tarkovsky only four years later in Solaris. Has any reliable source mentioned this Bach influence upon the song? If so, it should go into the article. -- 46.93.158.170 ( talk) 19:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Sorry but there’s simply no way Paul could have played both bass parts. The Bass VI the Beatles had was right handed, so it was definitely John playing the Bass VI. Rivirian King of the Rails ( talk) 23:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
In the first half of the last paragraph: the sentences about what Alan Smith thought and said about it - don’t these say much more about him than about anything to do with either the song ir George Harrison? In which case, delete them? Boscaswell talk 09:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
If I Google "unused verse of while my guitar gently weeps" I
see this text highlighted, attached to a link to this wikipedia article:
"A demo that Harrison recorded at his home in Esher includes an unused verse: "I look at the trouble and hate that is raging / While my guitar gently weeps / As I'm sitting here, doing nothing but ageing …" This version also includes the line "The problems you sow are the troubles you're reaping", which he similarly ... "
But that text doesn’t appear in the article - there doesn’t seem to be any mention at all of this unused verse. Shouldn’t there be? I’ve gone back through a page or two of the edit history and can’t see it being deleted, and it’s not in the notes, either. What’s the go?
Boscaswell
talk
08:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
I've just watched what is possibly the only remaining original live TV recording of X-Ray Spex performing Identity with the saxophonist who was brought in to replace Lora Logic. (Guy Garvey series 4, Sky Arts). The sax riff is a speeded up, slightly distorted version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps. All sources agree that Logic wrote/arranged/gacked?? all the sax contributions to Germ Free Adolescent - the replacement sax player just played what she had laid down, after Styrene fired her. This is pure OR I know, can't put it in the article and cite it to the recording on YouTube, but its fascinating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.85.209 ( talk) 00:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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Why is Toto at the bottom of the page? xD -- 98.217.61.141 ( talk) 04:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
This article could use some editing. The first paragraph on the writing and recording is fair, but the rest of it is rather poor. The "speculations" section is just that; speculative. The "alternative versions" section repeats a lot of the info from the "writing" section. Maybe this comes from the use of the Beatles template, but the result is fragmented. Oh, and as someone else mentioned here, the chord changes have been used in other songs; quite a few songs share the beginning sequence of Am - Am/G - Am/F# (F#m6) and Am/F (Fmaj7). 80.202.215.74 ( talk) 14:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I have just removed the following from the article re the 2002 Concert for George "It was the first time that Starr and McCartney had performed together since recording " All Those Years Ago" in 1981."
Does this refer to live performance? If it refers to recording sessions then it is incorrect, as Paul & Ringo recorded in 1994 for " Free as a Bird", 1995 for " Real Love" and tracks from McCartney's album Flaming Pie issued in 1997. Design 01:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Uh, it doesn't seem to state who sings lead on the studio recorded version - is it Harrison? Stevage 08:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Jake shimabukuro plays this on the ukulele and that has become a very popular video, when searching for the song, that video comes up higher on google's page rank than the actual song
this song (00:51) has the same chords as the oasis' song from theur album (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, she's electric at 00:53. please note it is the same chord scheme. should it be added to the main article? ( HelenoBR 00:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC))
It's asserted in The Concert for Bangladesh article that the concert was the first time it was publicly revealed that Clapton played the solo to this song. Is that a correct assertion and what would be a good reference for that if it is?- Wisekwai 19:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that that is not the case. Lewisohn's The Complete Beatles Recordings would be the definitive proof, I would think. Styxman 06:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
This anonymous edit adds a reference to "Casey Vail": 121802617
I can't find any mention of a guitarist w/ that name on google. Sounds bogus to me - Tyler Oderkirk 01:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
At the end of this song on the Love album, John Lennon can be heard saying quite cleary "[something] the mike of the channel is quite low this just keeps [something] with my maracas, you know... You know those old channels"
I don't know how, or if you want to incorporate this into the article, but there you go.
That's actually from the version of "A Day in the Life", which is the next track on the album. It's not from "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" Scmods ( talk) 08:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Image:The White Album.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 03:52, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
What's infamous about it? It's a great solo. Scmods ( talk) 08:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree. I was surprised to see the word 'infamous' in there, with its negative connotation. Is there news I'm missing? Enivel ( talk) 13:11, 23 November 2007
The external link seems to be to a Microsoft Media protocol, not directly playable outside the Microsoft hegemony and no longer supported by Microsoft. Unless I'm missing something (always possible), this is the external link:
http://www.warnerreprise.com/asx/tompetty_ghigentlyweeps_300-v.asx
with XML that points to the MMS server which doesn't seem to be influenced by rtsp protocol:
mms://wm.wbr.com/tompetty/gharrison_induction/tompetty_ghi_gently-weeps_300.wmv
Without something playable by the general public, shouldn't this at least be removed from the opening of the article, if not the article itself? If I'm correct, we might as well plant a 'best viewed with Microsoft Explorer' banner. I suggest demoting it into the External Links section.
-- UnicornTapestry ( talk) 07:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Use_of_.22The.22_mid-sentence. The "the" in "The Beatles" when speaking of the band is not capitalized mid-sentence. Same goes for the Who, the Yardbirds, the Cure, etc. Look into it (not in this haphazardly edited nightmare of an online encyclopedia, but in reputably edited printed matter), and you'll see that that's right. It's just typographical convention and is not a debatable thing, really. The "the" in The Beatles, the album name, however, is, because without it you're not reporting the true name of the album. I hope that answrs the ????? you had. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 11:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Please don't presume to instruct me about seeking consensus. It is not necessary to seek consensus for what is a long-established typographical convention that has no effect on content and over which one would not expect rock fans to be equipped to quibble. If some group of groupies think that the "the" gets capitalized, that's their problem, and I doubt I'll be the last fool to blunder in here copyediting in defiance of some cabal's arbitrary, idiosyncratic punctuation regime. I think it's unreasonable of you, John Cardinal, to expect anyone to look beyond the MoS for such a fiddly tweak as this one, and I'll continue to correct the capitalization of "the" in such cases wherever I find it. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 13:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
and later in an electric version featuring a backward guitar solo (as Harrison had done in "I'm Only Sleeping" on Revolver), but no version seemed to work
i never ever heard of this version with a backwards guitar solo, there isn't even a version the song with george on lead electric guitar in existence, at least not in the 140 GB of beatles music i have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.246.112 ( talk) 19:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm noticed (and was told too) there could be two basses - one is slighty higher. Or it could be one double bass. Saemikneu ( talk) 12:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Source: Interview with NPR, November 13, 2018 (@ ~ 25:55).
https://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2018/11/13/666154261/how-the-beatles-made-the-white-album?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2042&fbclid=IwAR0IaULytF8uQr8u5-K0iq_5mHmsuGxkhh3JLgDUknKoLmqFNAAIJdAohfo Saemikneu ( talk) 23:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
The covers section is growing out of control. We need some inclusion criteria or better yet think about just getting rid of it entirely. Ridernyc ( talk) 15:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
I have been bold and removed the list until there can be some sort of inclusion criteria. Released as single, chart position, reviews. Something, anything, there needs to a be a criteria. Ridernyc ( talk) 16:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
There is a nice cover by Carlos Santana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.151.178.247 ( talk) 13:27, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Yngwie Malmsteen - Blue Lightning - just popped up on my inet radio, quite good, though it was GH initially (which would have been strange for a HM channel!) Sawatts ( talk) 16:20, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
... the continued minor triads (III, VI and II) should be notated as "... the continued minor triads (iii, vi and ii)" in order to conform to proper designation of minor chords. Here's a source: http://musictheoryblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/roman-numeral-chord-notation.html wbchaney ( talk) Wbchaney ( talk) 15:22, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I need to call into question using the website Songfacts.com as a reference. The website is primarily fan-based. The website FAQ states that they list their data sources as interviews with singers which may or may not be published, books, magazine articles, and other print sources. However, none of these print sources are actually listed and there are no interviews on the website with Beatles members. There is an interview with Yoko Ono, but she does not discuss anything relevant to this song. Wjlmiv65 ( talk) 21:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
It's quite wrong to say ADT is "also known as" varispeed: They're separate things, but the combination of the two is what makes the characteristic sound being discussed here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.245.59 ( talk) 13:05, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Toto covered this song.
BSc600 ( talk) 03:45, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
See WP:COVERSONG. Can you supply a citation by a reliable source on the subject of the song where the cover is discussed? I took a quick look and didn't find anything. Richard-of-Earth ( talk) 20:17, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Reading this article you would think Eric Clapton did this song, not the 4 Beatles. He was brought in by Harrison as a sessions musician on the final recording, mainly to get Lennon and McCartney to take the song serious after many rejections by the band - 28. Clapton was told what to do. His guitar was double tracked with an organ in the mixing. The sound men made the guitar sound like how Harrison's would be. https://www.soundonsound.com/people/beatles-while-my-guitar-gently-weeps What makes the recording is the haunting organ and bass in the background, not the lead which was not exceptional at all. Why all this fuss about a sessions man - that was what he was on this recording, and would have been paid the union rate for a sessions man by EMI. Hundreds of people played on Beatles recordings, including Brian Jones of the 'Stones. No one makes a big thing about that. 94.3.15.159 ( talk) 15:18, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
I've just listened to the Esher Demo of this song, and the harmonium on that version sounds a lot like Bach's Ich ruf' zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 639, particularly the version played by Leonid Roizman as it would be used by Andrei Tarkovsky only four years later in Solaris. Has any reliable source mentioned this Bach influence upon the song? If so, it should go into the article. -- 46.93.158.170 ( talk) 19:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Sorry but there’s simply no way Paul could have played both bass parts. The Bass VI the Beatles had was right handed, so it was definitely John playing the Bass VI. Rivirian King of the Rails ( talk) 23:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
In the first half of the last paragraph: the sentences about what Alan Smith thought and said about it - don’t these say much more about him than about anything to do with either the song ir George Harrison? In which case, delete them? Boscaswell talk 09:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
If I Google "unused verse of while my guitar gently weeps" I
see this text highlighted, attached to a link to this wikipedia article:
"A demo that Harrison recorded at his home in Esher includes an unused verse: "I look at the trouble and hate that is raging / While my guitar gently weeps / As I'm sitting here, doing nothing but ageing …" This version also includes the line "The problems you sow are the troubles you're reaping", which he similarly ... "
But that text doesn’t appear in the article - there doesn’t seem to be any mention at all of this unused verse. Shouldn’t there be? I’ve gone back through a page or two of the edit history and can’t see it being deleted, and it’s not in the notes, either. What’s the go?
Boscaswell
talk
08:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
I've just watched what is possibly the only remaining original live TV recording of X-Ray Spex performing Identity with the saxophonist who was brought in to replace Lora Logic. (Guy Garvey series 4, Sky Arts). The sax riff is a speeded up, slightly distorted version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps. All sources agree that Logic wrote/arranged/gacked?? all the sax contributions to Germ Free Adolescent - the replacement sax player just played what she had laid down, after Styrene fired her. This is pure OR I know, can't put it in the article and cite it to the recording on YouTube, but its fascinating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.85.209 ( talk) 00:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)