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When we were kids, we used to laugh at the line "And we'll all feel gay" right before "When Johnny comes marching home". It appears that someone has vandalized the page, and removed that line. I'm adding it back. And "Gay" in this sense means "Glad".
The Clash's song "English Civil War" used the melody of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home", and incorporated the first line:
"When Johnny comes marching home again, hurrah, ta dah, He's coming by bus or underground, hurrah, ta dah"
Original sheet music (1863) gives credit for words and music to Louis Lambert. - AlvinMGO 23:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I grew up in Clarksburg, WV, just south of the Mason-Dixon line. Most of the elders in our area could tell you stories about their families having brothers who fought on either side of this war. My grandfather, (born in 1897), told me how his father described bathing in a river at night and calling out to the other side, "I have a brother in (such and such battalion), can you please tell me anything you know?" I was taught by my church choir director that this song also was used as a war protest song during the Civil War. The words I can remember are: "He has no arms, He has no legs, hurray, hurrah." Then there was a comment about "how can he dance with me...hurray, hurrah." If anyone knows anything about this version, I would love to hear about its history. (Valerie H. Brand-Ranagan--7/18/2013.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.116.149 ( talk) 03:35, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I grew up in Clarksburg, WV, just south of the Mason-Dixon line. Most of the elders in our area could tell you stories about their families having brothers who fought on either side of this war. My grandfather, (born in 1897), told me how his father described bathing in a river at night and calling out to the other side, "I have a brother in (such and such battalion), can you please tell me anything you know?" I was taught by my church choir director that this song also was used as a war protest song during the Civil War. The words I can remember are: "He has no arms, He has no legs, hurray, hurrah." Then there was a comment about "how can he dance with me...hurray, hurrah." If anyone knows anything about this version, I would love to hear about its history. (Valerie H. Brand-Ranagan--7/18/2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.116.149 ( talk) 03:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Is Buttermilk Hill/Johnny's Gone for a Soldier related to WJCMH? There are some places that say WJCMH is a "sequel" of sorts to Johnny's Gone. Percy Hall's website has them grouped into a single presentation, called "Johnny's a Soldier". -- 2ltben 13:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
the entry's author didn't remember to mention Morton Gould's "American Salute"... 83.29.63.141 ( talk) 16:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC) joanda
However, expert James Fuld, author of the standard text on popular music, The Book of World Famous Music, states on page 640 of that volume that Donal O'Sullivan, the Irish authority, has written the Library of Congress that he does not consider the melody of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" as Irish in origin. As stated, no printed music of Irish origin has been discovered that predates American publication in September of 1863 by Henry Tolman in Boston under the title "When Johnny Comes Marching Home". Library of Congress records do show a title "Johnny Fill Up The Bowl" that was published in July of 1863 by John J. Daly that appears to contain the song's melody.
Since when was "Irish Authority" a respected or bona fide title -- this has all the credibility of some bloke down the pub that reads lots of books on Irish music. If this person is a genuine academic then publish a source. You might then also rewrite the whole article because it's a mess.
100% pure Wikiality.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.129.162 ( talk) 19:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Additionally, if you look at the Wiki page for "Johnny we Hardly Knew Ye", it claims that it is the melody basis for WJCMH with a quote attributed to Gilmore himself. This needs to be more consistent. 125.238.14.18 ( talk) 23:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, totally irrespective of the reality of the situation, this section simply reads like some butt-hurt American is trying his best to downplay the fact that the melody of one of America's most famous historical songs isn't even American in origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.131.151 ( talk) 12:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
The link for "The Ants Go Marching One By One" says, "By Robert D. Singleton 'The Ants Go Marching' is a children's song that first appeared in Barney's Campfire Sing Along (1990)." But I had it on a record in the 1970s when I was little, and the lyrics were slightly different. Instead of, "And they all start marching down to the ground / To get out of the rain, BOOM BOOM BOOM.", it was, "And they all start marching / To the end / Of the Earth / To get out / Of the rain." I don't remember what the record was and I don't have it anymore. Does anyone else remember this? Sluggoster ( talk) 18:22, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
I have to second this motion. I know "The Ants Go Marching One By One" predates Barney's version. We used to sing this song as kids at camp, back in the early to mid 80s. What I was hoping to find (and am still hoping for) is a Wiki entry for "The Ants Go Marching One By One" -- I would love to know the origins/history of that song. Jdevola ( talk) 20:03, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
I sang this song at different camps growing up in the early 1960's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100C:B2BB:514E:B11F:41F5:4C7:F8EC ( talk) 01:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Some performances I've seen of "On Springfield Mountain" are sung to a melody that's fairly similar. For example: http://www.ibiblio.org/jimmy/folkden-wp/?p=6974 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vELGVnPt_Pc
On the other hand, other performances use some very different melodies. Anyone know what the deal is there?
Esn ( talk) 03:03, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
A recent monograph on Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye shows that When Johnny Comes Marching Home clearly was the earlier song. I've added the reference, and I'll try to say something in the article at some point. Since the present article assumes the primacy of Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye, it will be necessary to rewrite pretty much the entire Origins section. John M Baker ( talk) 04:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Also, the tune of When Johnny Comes Marching Home was taken from Johnny Fill Up the Bowl, of which For Bales, discussed in the article, was a later variant. Lighter suggests that the tune derives ultimately from The Three Ravens. John M Baker ( talk) 04:57, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Does the stone wine in the song reference Würzburger Stein wines (Steinwein)? Or just the stoneware? Just a question. J. D. Redding 13:01, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
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Here in the UK, there are two VERY well-known children's variants on this melody, often sung in a major key but unmistakably owing to this source melody. On Wikipedia, The Runaway Train has only a passing mention on a disambiguation page, and I didn't find The Animals Went In Two By Two. I think it's apt to cite both of these on this very page, and I think the British popular consciousness would so immediately agree (look online for children's song pages/recordings to verify this). However, I'm not confidently Wikipedian, and would not know how to source something as colloquial as a children's culture song. 2.103.211.132 ( talk) 18:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Used in a dance scene in the film Stalag 17 86.9.117.8 ( talk) 18:49, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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When we were kids, we used to laugh at the line "And we'll all feel gay" right before "When Johnny comes marching home". It appears that someone has vandalized the page, and removed that line. I'm adding it back. And "Gay" in this sense means "Glad".
The Clash's song "English Civil War" used the melody of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home", and incorporated the first line:
"When Johnny comes marching home again, hurrah, ta dah, He's coming by bus or underground, hurrah, ta dah"
Original sheet music (1863) gives credit for words and music to Louis Lambert. - AlvinMGO 23:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I grew up in Clarksburg, WV, just south of the Mason-Dixon line. Most of the elders in our area could tell you stories about their families having brothers who fought on either side of this war. My grandfather, (born in 1897), told me how his father described bathing in a river at night and calling out to the other side, "I have a brother in (such and such battalion), can you please tell me anything you know?" I was taught by my church choir director that this song also was used as a war protest song during the Civil War. The words I can remember are: "He has no arms, He has no legs, hurray, hurrah." Then there was a comment about "how can he dance with me...hurray, hurrah." If anyone knows anything about this version, I would love to hear about its history. (Valerie H. Brand-Ranagan--7/18/2013.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.116.149 ( talk) 03:35, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I grew up in Clarksburg, WV, just south of the Mason-Dixon line. Most of the elders in our area could tell you stories about their families having brothers who fought on either side of this war. My grandfather, (born in 1897), told me how his father described bathing in a river at night and calling out to the other side, "I have a brother in (such and such battalion), can you please tell me anything you know?" I was taught by my church choir director that this song also was used as a war protest song during the Civil War. The words I can remember are: "He has no arms, He has no legs, hurray, hurrah." Then there was a comment about "how can he dance with me...hurray, hurrah." If anyone knows anything about this version, I would love to hear about its history. (Valerie H. Brand-Ranagan--7/18/2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.116.149 ( talk) 03:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Is Buttermilk Hill/Johnny's Gone for a Soldier related to WJCMH? There are some places that say WJCMH is a "sequel" of sorts to Johnny's Gone. Percy Hall's website has them grouped into a single presentation, called "Johnny's a Soldier". -- 2ltben 13:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
the entry's author didn't remember to mention Morton Gould's "American Salute"... 83.29.63.141 ( talk) 16:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC) joanda
However, expert James Fuld, author of the standard text on popular music, The Book of World Famous Music, states on page 640 of that volume that Donal O'Sullivan, the Irish authority, has written the Library of Congress that he does not consider the melody of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" as Irish in origin. As stated, no printed music of Irish origin has been discovered that predates American publication in September of 1863 by Henry Tolman in Boston under the title "When Johnny Comes Marching Home". Library of Congress records do show a title "Johnny Fill Up The Bowl" that was published in July of 1863 by John J. Daly that appears to contain the song's melody.
Since when was "Irish Authority" a respected or bona fide title -- this has all the credibility of some bloke down the pub that reads lots of books on Irish music. If this person is a genuine academic then publish a source. You might then also rewrite the whole article because it's a mess.
100% pure Wikiality.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.129.162 ( talk) 19:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Additionally, if you look at the Wiki page for "Johnny we Hardly Knew Ye", it claims that it is the melody basis for WJCMH with a quote attributed to Gilmore himself. This needs to be more consistent. 125.238.14.18 ( talk) 23:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, totally irrespective of the reality of the situation, this section simply reads like some butt-hurt American is trying his best to downplay the fact that the melody of one of America's most famous historical songs isn't even American in origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.131.151 ( talk) 12:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
The link for "The Ants Go Marching One By One" says, "By Robert D. Singleton 'The Ants Go Marching' is a children's song that first appeared in Barney's Campfire Sing Along (1990)." But I had it on a record in the 1970s when I was little, and the lyrics were slightly different. Instead of, "And they all start marching down to the ground / To get out of the rain, BOOM BOOM BOOM.", it was, "And they all start marching / To the end / Of the Earth / To get out / Of the rain." I don't remember what the record was and I don't have it anymore. Does anyone else remember this? Sluggoster ( talk) 18:22, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
I have to second this motion. I know "The Ants Go Marching One By One" predates Barney's version. We used to sing this song as kids at camp, back in the early to mid 80s. What I was hoping to find (and am still hoping for) is a Wiki entry for "The Ants Go Marching One By One" -- I would love to know the origins/history of that song. Jdevola ( talk) 20:03, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
I sang this song at different camps growing up in the early 1960's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100C:B2BB:514E:B11F:41F5:4C7:F8EC ( talk) 01:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Some performances I've seen of "On Springfield Mountain" are sung to a melody that's fairly similar. For example: http://www.ibiblio.org/jimmy/folkden-wp/?p=6974 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vELGVnPt_Pc
On the other hand, other performances use some very different melodies. Anyone know what the deal is there?
Esn ( talk) 03:03, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
A recent monograph on Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye shows that When Johnny Comes Marching Home clearly was the earlier song. I've added the reference, and I'll try to say something in the article at some point. Since the present article assumes the primacy of Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye, it will be necessary to rewrite pretty much the entire Origins section. John M Baker ( talk) 04:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Also, the tune of When Johnny Comes Marching Home was taken from Johnny Fill Up the Bowl, of which For Bales, discussed in the article, was a later variant. Lighter suggests that the tune derives ultimately from The Three Ravens. John M Baker ( talk) 04:57, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Does the stone wine in the song reference Würzburger Stein wines (Steinwein)? Or just the stoneware? Just a question. J. D. Redding 13:01, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
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Here in the UK, there are two VERY well-known children's variants on this melody, often sung in a major key but unmistakably owing to this source melody. On Wikipedia, The Runaway Train has only a passing mention on a disambiguation page, and I didn't find The Animals Went In Two By Two. I think it's apt to cite both of these on this very page, and I think the British popular consciousness would so immediately agree (look online for children's song pages/recordings to verify this). However, I'm not confidently Wikipedian, and would not know how to source something as colloquial as a children's culture song. 2.103.211.132 ( talk) 18:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Used in a dance scene in the film Stalag 17 86.9.117.8 ( talk) 18:49, 8 October 2022 (UTC)