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A fact from Weston Turville Castle appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 May 2024 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Comment: Consider eliminating parentheses and piping the link to
slighted within
demolished. Alternately, consider removing it altogether. You really don't want parentheticals in a hook, as it defeats the purpose of DYK.
Viriditas (
talk) 08:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: even briefer with the hook; I suggest "... that
Weston Turville Castle was
slighted on Henry II's orders after the
Revolt of 1173–1174?'". That there were other castles is true but not necessary for the hook; the potentially unfamiliar use of slighted in this context enhances the hook.
Klbrain (
talk) 15:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree with this suggestion. I hesitated to mention it because I didn’t want to drastically alter the hook, but I should have.
Viriditas (
talk) 18:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Viriditas and
Klbrain: Good suggestion! I'm too close to the topic of slighting to remember the curiosity factor may hook people in. I've adjusted the hook.
Richard Nevell (
talk) 19:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Richard Nevell: Is that a typo I see in the "Layout" section of the article? It says "Weston Turville Castle consists of a mound or (a motte) with two attached enclosures (baileys): on to the south and one to the east". Or is the use of "on" here unique to British English?
Viriditas (
talk) 19:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Very unique (typos are a speciality!). I've now fixed it
Richard Nevell (
talk) 20:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Richard Nevell: Apologies, but I think I've spotted another, this time in the "Archaeological investigation" section: should "The excavation lasted for three week" be changed to "three weeks"? Also, you need spaces between the measurement units, "9m long and 3m".
Viriditas (
talk) 20:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I've addressed that one and checked again. I think I've fixed all the typos (which is a guaranteed way to flush out any remaining typos).
Richard Nevell (
talk) 21:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Richard Nevell: Unless I'm reading this wrong (and that's certainly possible, so take this with a grain of salt), DYKcheck is showing you are coming up short in the fivefold expansion count, which amounts to a missing 464 characters, which could be interpreted as a missing 40 words or so. If true, all you have to do is add a few more sentences, or a small paragraph.
Viriditas (
talk) 20:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think that explains the problem. The count you are using starts at 15 February (506 char), but you need to start the count at the time of expansion, which is 2 April (797 chars), which is within the seven day window for fivefold expansion. 15 Feb is, sadly, not.
Wikipedia:Did you know/DYKcheck makes this easier to determine as you can easily run it on an individual date by going to the diff in the page history. It shouldn't be that difficult to add two sentences, as that's all it's going to take.
Viriditas (
talk) 21:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The guidance says "This calculation is made from the last version of the article before the expansion began", so that would be 15:18, 2 April 2024 (506 characters). The expansion started at 18:05, 2 April 2024 so all within seven days. I just installed DYK Checker and it does say "Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 32 edits ago on February 27, 2024. Article has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days (37 days)". I'm not sure how it's worked that out, but the page history makes it clear the expansion took place almost entirely on 2 April, and on that day the starting size was 506 characters.
Richard Nevell (
talk) 22:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
That's not correct, because it would mean the fivefold expansion window was extended to several months instead of seven days. On 14:18, 2 April 2024, the day before you began expansion, the starting size was 797 characters according to DYK Checker, not 506.
[1] DYKcheck also confirms this as the 5x expansion starting point size regardless of the approximate date. The last time the article was anywhere near 506 characters was on 15 February.
[2] I think we can all agree that is just under two months over the seven day window and cannot be used a starting point for 5x expansion. Are we in agreement? All you need to do is add two sentences.
Viriditas (
talk) 22:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok, I just went and did this without Prosesize or DYKcheck. I get 423 characters, which would give us 2,115 at 5x, so you are well over at 3,537. Not sure why it's giving me bad counts. So I think we are good to go and just need a review now.
Viriditas (
talk) 22:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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A fact from Weston Turville Castle appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 May 2024 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Comment: Consider eliminating parentheses and piping the link to
slighted within
demolished. Alternately, consider removing it altogether. You really don't want parentheticals in a hook, as it defeats the purpose of DYK.
Viriditas (
talk) 08:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: even briefer with the hook; I suggest "... that
Weston Turville Castle was
slighted on Henry II's orders after the
Revolt of 1173–1174?'". That there were other castles is true but not necessary for the hook; the potentially unfamiliar use of slighted in this context enhances the hook.
Klbrain (
talk) 15:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree with this suggestion. I hesitated to mention it because I didn’t want to drastically alter the hook, but I should have.
Viriditas (
talk) 18:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Viriditas and
Klbrain: Good suggestion! I'm too close to the topic of slighting to remember the curiosity factor may hook people in. I've adjusted the hook.
Richard Nevell (
talk) 19:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Richard Nevell: Is that a typo I see in the "Layout" section of the article? It says "Weston Turville Castle consists of a mound or (a motte) with two attached enclosures (baileys): on to the south and one to the east". Or is the use of "on" here unique to British English?
Viriditas (
talk) 19:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Very unique (typos are a speciality!). I've now fixed it
Richard Nevell (
talk) 20:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Richard Nevell: Apologies, but I think I've spotted another, this time in the "Archaeological investigation" section: should "The excavation lasted for three week" be changed to "three weeks"? Also, you need spaces between the measurement units, "9m long and 3m".
Viriditas (
talk) 20:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I've addressed that one and checked again. I think I've fixed all the typos (which is a guaranteed way to flush out any remaining typos).
Richard Nevell (
talk) 21:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Richard Nevell: Unless I'm reading this wrong (and that's certainly possible, so take this with a grain of salt), DYKcheck is showing you are coming up short in the fivefold expansion count, which amounts to a missing 464 characters, which could be interpreted as a missing 40 words or so. If true, all you have to do is add a few more sentences, or a small paragraph.
Viriditas (
talk) 20:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think that explains the problem. The count you are using starts at 15 February (506 char), but you need to start the count at the time of expansion, which is 2 April (797 chars), which is within the seven day window for fivefold expansion. 15 Feb is, sadly, not.
Wikipedia:Did you know/DYKcheck makes this easier to determine as you can easily run it on an individual date by going to the diff in the page history. It shouldn't be that difficult to add two sentences, as that's all it's going to take.
Viriditas (
talk) 21:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The guidance says "This calculation is made from the last version of the article before the expansion began", so that would be 15:18, 2 April 2024 (506 characters). The expansion started at 18:05, 2 April 2024 so all within seven days. I just installed DYK Checker and it does say "Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 32 edits ago on February 27, 2024. Article has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days (37 days)". I'm not sure how it's worked that out, but the page history makes it clear the expansion took place almost entirely on 2 April, and on that day the starting size was 506 characters.
Richard Nevell (
talk) 22:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
That's not correct, because it would mean the fivefold expansion window was extended to several months instead of seven days. On 14:18, 2 April 2024, the day before you began expansion, the starting size was 797 characters according to DYK Checker, not 506.
[1] DYKcheck also confirms this as the 5x expansion starting point size regardless of the approximate date. The last time the article was anywhere near 506 characters was on 15 February.
[2] I think we can all agree that is just under two months over the seven day window and cannot be used a starting point for 5x expansion. Are we in agreement? All you need to do is add two sentences.
Viriditas (
talk) 22:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Ok, I just went and did this without Prosesize or DYKcheck. I get 423 characters, which would give us 2,115 at 5x, so you are well over at 3,537. Not sure why it's giving me bad counts. So I think we are good to go and just need a review now.
Viriditas (
talk) 22:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply