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This article should probably be moved, but I don't know what to change it to. The most common term for it might be "cowboy music", but I think that might be too misleading and overly specific. Should this article be an overview of music in the western US and Canada, or is it supposed to be just about Anglo music in this region, or just cowboy folk songs and popularized versions of them? Any thoughts? Tuf-Kat 00:48, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
I have to disagree strongly that music from these foreign films are cowboy, or western music. They are a whole different animal and reflect Europe's view of the North American cowboy. They are not the orignal, however. I am going to change the second paragraph to something less misleading. Frankly, I don't even think it should be mentioned in this article. Surely not in the introduction. Steve Pastor 20:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC) By coincidence a "spaghetti western" music composer was profiled on National Public Radio this moring (there will be more about him on the Academy Awards ceremony). His music was described as classical and pop. One song which seened to feature a "Native American whistle" was titled Gabriel's Oboe. Guess it wasn't what it sounded like. And the article is specifically about Western music (North America) The reference to these movies does not contain a verifiable source. I am deleting it. Steve Pastor 19:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Since there have been several reverts, I thought I would start a discussion section. Everyone should keep in mind that music existed long before recordings were possible. In that era, which also had no broadcasting, music was much more regional than it is today. On a recent trip I spoke to a woman from Houston. She was incredulous that anyone would question the fact that Czechs, etc, helped create Western music (She was a Czech herself, and her father, who is in his 80s, is still dancing polka at country western dances. p.s. This same ethnic mix explains why polka is danced at CW venues.) Although the term Country Western is often shortened to Country, the compound term for it shows that our comtemporary country music has at least two distinct roots. The different ethnic mixes, and different environments, gave rise to different kinds of music. At this point arguments to the contrary should be stated here, rather than simply deleting information with no substantial justification. Steve Pastor 17:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I do not know enough about the genre to risk an edit, but some statements are simply silly and have no place in Wikipedia; for example: "Most people are under the impression[citation needed] Western music began with the cowboy, but this is not the case." It is badly written, generalises to an unacceptable degree, has no supporting evidence, passive, and badly written. What 'most people believe', even if demonstrated to be so, is neither here nor there. Give us the facts! Heenan73 ( talk) 16:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Heenan, I encourage you to remove unsupported statements. Some of us who have been around for a while tire of "policing" articles. Steve Pastor ( talk) 18:49, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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This article (and related information e.g. in the "Country music" article) consistently refers to "country and Western" music; lower-case "c" and upper-case "W". It looks a bit strange, and it's definitely inconsistent. "Pop" and "Rock and Roll" are capitalized in the artice, so why not "Country and Western"?
It seems that this is a roundabout way of being pedantic, by way of inisting that "Western" be capitalized (although it needn't be), and calling attention to the pedantry by putting the capitalized "Western" in close proximity to the non-capitalized "country." Be consistent. Capitalize all these words according to consistent rules, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 ( talk) 22:58, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Although the article now uses "country and western" in lowercase, all other uses of the phrase "Western music" in the article have "Western" capitalized (in mid-sentence). I also notice that "Western" is capitalized in Western (genre), Spaghetti Western, and Science fiction Western. MOS:GENRECAPS seems to suggest lowercase. I don't see clear guidance in MOS:COMPASS. See also Talk:Western (genre)/Archive 1#Capitalization?, Talk:Spaghetti Western#Requested move (moving from lowercase to capitalized). — BarrelProof ( talk) 19:12, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
It's overwhelmingly lowercase in books for country and western, but rather mixed for western music. Since "Western music" has at least two prominent and distinctly different meanins (western US & western vs oriental), it would take some more digging to see if capitalization is consistent within either of those. Has anyone looked into that already? Dicklyon ( talk) 15:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Looks to me like most book uses of "Western" music are not about the American west, but about Europe as opposed to Asia. As shown above, "country and western" uses lowercase western almost always. So I'll update that article. Dicklyon ( talk) 02:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
unless the genre name contains a proper name such as the name of a place). When speaking of "Western films and television", "Western" refers to the American West and is a proper name. It differentiates it from simply being about western civilization in general. Regardless of your opinion on it (and anyone else's), the scope of discussion here is far too limited to result in wholesale changes and page moves without more input. I have rolled those changes back, pending the outcome of a more appropriately thorough discussion. ButlerBlog ( talk) 12:38, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
We play both types of music: country and Western (non-Asian). Book stats for "western movie" are just a bit under half lowercase. Pretty clear not to cap per both MOS:GENRECAPS and MOS:CAPS more generally. Cinderella157 ( talk) 08:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Following an interesting discussion at Talk:List of Western subgenres#Requested move 12 July 2023, we now have an interesting RM result at Talk:List of spaghetti Westerns#Requested move 24 July 2023. Also see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Westerns#Discussion of capitalization and associated page moves and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Westerns#Recommended page move. — BarrelProof ( talk) 16:15, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
@ BarrelProof and Oknazevad: why this revert? It's very clear if you look at books that "Western music" refers to European, as opposed to "Oriental" (Eastern or Asian), and that lowercase is used when referring to America's western music and western swing. This is unrelated to the film genres question. Is there still some confusion about that? Dicklyon ( talk) 18:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Never mind, I see that was before most of the discussion. I'll fix. Dicklyon ( talk) 18:23, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
The List of Songs and the List of Artists sections seem to be incomplete, and, more importantly, not completable. I'd like to propose splitting them out to become their own articles, and naming those articles, "List of Notable Western Artists" and "List of Notable Western Songs". — X S G 04:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Generally policy is to avoid long lists in general articles. I dislike all the dead-end links here as well.-- Sabrebd ( talk) 07:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
The above list should also be in an alphabetical order. —Preceding
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This article should probably be moved, but I don't know what to change it to. The most common term for it might be "cowboy music", but I think that might be too misleading and overly specific. Should this article be an overview of music in the western US and Canada, or is it supposed to be just about Anglo music in this region, or just cowboy folk songs and popularized versions of them? Any thoughts? Tuf-Kat 00:48, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
I have to disagree strongly that music from these foreign films are cowboy, or western music. They are a whole different animal and reflect Europe's view of the North American cowboy. They are not the orignal, however. I am going to change the second paragraph to something less misleading. Frankly, I don't even think it should be mentioned in this article. Surely not in the introduction. Steve Pastor 20:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC) By coincidence a "spaghetti western" music composer was profiled on National Public Radio this moring (there will be more about him on the Academy Awards ceremony). His music was described as classical and pop. One song which seened to feature a "Native American whistle" was titled Gabriel's Oboe. Guess it wasn't what it sounded like. And the article is specifically about Western music (North America) The reference to these movies does not contain a verifiable source. I am deleting it. Steve Pastor 19:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Since there have been several reverts, I thought I would start a discussion section. Everyone should keep in mind that music existed long before recordings were possible. In that era, which also had no broadcasting, music was much more regional than it is today. On a recent trip I spoke to a woman from Houston. She was incredulous that anyone would question the fact that Czechs, etc, helped create Western music (She was a Czech herself, and her father, who is in his 80s, is still dancing polka at country western dances. p.s. This same ethnic mix explains why polka is danced at CW venues.) Although the term Country Western is often shortened to Country, the compound term for it shows that our comtemporary country music has at least two distinct roots. The different ethnic mixes, and different environments, gave rise to different kinds of music. At this point arguments to the contrary should be stated here, rather than simply deleting information with no substantial justification. Steve Pastor 17:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I do not know enough about the genre to risk an edit, but some statements are simply silly and have no place in Wikipedia; for example: "Most people are under the impression[citation needed] Western music began with the cowboy, but this is not the case." It is badly written, generalises to an unacceptable degree, has no supporting evidence, passive, and badly written. What 'most people believe', even if demonstrated to be so, is neither here nor there. Give us the facts! Heenan73 ( talk) 16:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Heenan, I encourage you to remove unsupported statements. Some of us who have been around for a while tire of "policing" articles. Steve Pastor ( talk) 18:49, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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This article (and related information e.g. in the "Country music" article) consistently refers to "country and Western" music; lower-case "c" and upper-case "W". It looks a bit strange, and it's definitely inconsistent. "Pop" and "Rock and Roll" are capitalized in the artice, so why not "Country and Western"?
It seems that this is a roundabout way of being pedantic, by way of inisting that "Western" be capitalized (although it needn't be), and calling attention to the pedantry by putting the capitalized "Western" in close proximity to the non-capitalized "country." Be consistent. Capitalize all these words according to consistent rules, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 ( talk) 22:58, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Although the article now uses "country and western" in lowercase, all other uses of the phrase "Western music" in the article have "Western" capitalized (in mid-sentence). I also notice that "Western" is capitalized in Western (genre), Spaghetti Western, and Science fiction Western. MOS:GENRECAPS seems to suggest lowercase. I don't see clear guidance in MOS:COMPASS. See also Talk:Western (genre)/Archive 1#Capitalization?, Talk:Spaghetti Western#Requested move (moving from lowercase to capitalized). — BarrelProof ( talk) 19:12, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
It's overwhelmingly lowercase in books for country and western, but rather mixed for western music. Since "Western music" has at least two prominent and distinctly different meanins (western US & western vs oriental), it would take some more digging to see if capitalization is consistent within either of those. Has anyone looked into that already? Dicklyon ( talk) 15:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Looks to me like most book uses of "Western" music are not about the American west, but about Europe as opposed to Asia. As shown above, "country and western" uses lowercase western almost always. So I'll update that article. Dicklyon ( talk) 02:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
unless the genre name contains a proper name such as the name of a place). When speaking of "Western films and television", "Western" refers to the American West and is a proper name. It differentiates it from simply being about western civilization in general. Regardless of your opinion on it (and anyone else's), the scope of discussion here is far too limited to result in wholesale changes and page moves without more input. I have rolled those changes back, pending the outcome of a more appropriately thorough discussion. ButlerBlog ( talk) 12:38, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
We play both types of music: country and Western (non-Asian). Book stats for "western movie" are just a bit under half lowercase. Pretty clear not to cap per both MOS:GENRECAPS and MOS:CAPS more generally. Cinderella157 ( talk) 08:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Following an interesting discussion at Talk:List of Western subgenres#Requested move 12 July 2023, we now have an interesting RM result at Talk:List of spaghetti Westerns#Requested move 24 July 2023. Also see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Westerns#Discussion of capitalization and associated page moves and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Westerns#Recommended page move. — BarrelProof ( talk) 16:15, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
@ BarrelProof and Oknazevad: why this revert? It's very clear if you look at books that "Western music" refers to European, as opposed to "Oriental" (Eastern or Asian), and that lowercase is used when referring to America's western music and western swing. This is unrelated to the film genres question. Is there still some confusion about that? Dicklyon ( talk) 18:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Never mind, I see that was before most of the discussion. I'll fix. Dicklyon ( talk) 18:23, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
The List of Songs and the List of Artists sections seem to be incomplete, and, more importantly, not completable. I'd like to propose splitting them out to become their own articles, and naming those articles, "List of Notable Western Artists" and "List of Notable Western Songs". — X S G 04:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Generally policy is to avoid long lists in general articles. I dislike all the dead-end links here as well.-- Sabrebd ( talk) 07:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
The above list should also be in an alphabetical order. —Preceding
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