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Oknazevad recently asked me about the West Syrian liturgical rites article I created. My motivation for creating it was that the scope of this article is confused. This article, based on the Catholic Encyclopedia article, primarily discusses the rite practiced by the Syriac Orthodox Church and Syriac Catholic Church. The sources I used list this rite as one of three distinct but related rites in the same family, together with the Maronite Rite and the Malankara Rite. I started West Syrian liturgical rites as a quick attempt to deal with this. There are a few things we can do to deal with this. We could rewrite this article to discuss all three rites. However, no source I've seen outside of Wikipedia uses the specific name "West Syrian Rite" to discuss all three rites. It would have to be rewritten and retitled. Or, we could write this article to discuss specifically the Syriac Orthodox/Syriac Catholic rite, and discuss how the others are related (which is what I tried to do with the intro). In this case, we would still need a place to discuss the family of rites. Thoughts?-- Cúchullain t/ c 13:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Syro Malankara church uses a variant of the original liturgy of the Syriac orthodox church. Hence picture of the Syriac orthodox liturgy is apt in this context. Mandrake_the_Magician ( talk) 22:17, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
It is always better to show the original version than the variant. Mandrake_the_Magician ( talk) 22:31, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Today there are many churches following West Syrian Rite.
There was a picture of Holy Mass of Syro-Malankara Catholic Church in this article. Recently this has been replaced with another picture - Holy Mass of Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church. Since both Syro-Malankara Catholic Church and Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church ( Syriac Orthodox Church) follows West Syrian liturgy, what is the point in removing first picture? Let us keep both the pictures - 59.95.64.78 ( talk) 22:49, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
The current picture added by User:Kokkarani is not the Holy Mass of Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church, it is the Holy Mass of Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church. please note, Malankara rite is practiced by various churches that descend from the Malankara Church, namely the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church, the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, the Malabar Independent Syrian Church, and the Mar Thoma Syrian Church. In this case removing the picture of Holy Mass of Syro-Malankara Catholic Church and keeping only Jacobite Church picture is not fair !! - 45.125.147.24 ( talk) 14:27, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church is an integral part of Syrian Orthodox Church. I don't understand why you are refusing the original liturgy and accepting a variant of the West Syrian liturgy formed only in 1930 AD. Syriac Orthodox Church has been using this liturgy of St James from the Apostolic era and is the most ancient liturgy available. So you think a variant liturgy formed in 1930 AD should represent the West Syrian liturgy? Mandrake_the_Magician ( talk) 00:10, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
I do not have any disagreement with the statement
Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church is an integral part of
Syrian Orthodox Church. But need some clarity on following ponts:
1)You said Syro-Malankara church is using a variant of West-Syrian Liturgy. Which is this variant? Is this variant known as 'Malankara Rite'? What is the difference between West Syrian Liturgy and this variant?
2)Which is the liturgy practiced in
Jacobite Syrian Christian Church? is it West Syrian or its variant??
3)Which is the liturgy practiced in
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church?? is it West Syrian or its variant?? -
45.126.205.180 (
talk) 16:51, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
@Kokkarani, you have not provided clarifications for above queries. Instead of that you changed the title of the article "Malankara Rite" to "
Syro Malankara Rite" and did
these changes in the article. Very Good Response!! -
45.126.205.110 (
talk) 23:50, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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This article is not about liturgy of the syriac orthodox church. Its about West Syrian liturgy and today many churches follows that. It is not fair to remove the liturgical services of other churches who follows West Syrian Liturgy.- 59.95.64.78 ( talk) 22:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Please read the article . It says many churches descended from Syriac Orthodox Church are using variants of the West Syrian liturgy. However the liturgy practiced in the Syriac Orthodox church is the primary source one for all other churches descended from it. Hence it is apt to show the liturgy of the Syriac Orthodox church in this context. Mandrake_the_Magician ( talk) 00:15, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
@Kokkarani, you have not provided answers for the 3 questions I raised in above section - 23:39, 13 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.126.205.110 ( talk)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested. Dekimasu よ! 00:43, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
West Syrian Rite →
West Syriac Rite – Until lately named so. Per
WP:CONSISTENCY with
Syriac language,
Syriac Christianity,
Syriac Catholic Church,
Syriac Orthodox Church etc.
Chicbyaccident (
talk) 07:23, 2 July 2018 (UTC)--Relisting.
Dekimasu
よ! 21:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I believe that West Syriac liturgical rites is simply a duplicate article of West Syriac Rite. If West Syriac liturgical rites has a distinct purpose, it's merely to list the subordinate liturgical uses of the West Syriac Rite. In a similar instance, we have only one article for Latin liturgical rites, rather than separating out the ritual family and the list of subordinate rites and uses. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 20:34, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
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Oknazevad recently asked me about the West Syrian liturgical rites article I created. My motivation for creating it was that the scope of this article is confused. This article, based on the Catholic Encyclopedia article, primarily discusses the rite practiced by the Syriac Orthodox Church and Syriac Catholic Church. The sources I used list this rite as one of three distinct but related rites in the same family, together with the Maronite Rite and the Malankara Rite. I started West Syrian liturgical rites as a quick attempt to deal with this. There are a few things we can do to deal with this. We could rewrite this article to discuss all three rites. However, no source I've seen outside of Wikipedia uses the specific name "West Syrian Rite" to discuss all three rites. It would have to be rewritten and retitled. Or, we could write this article to discuss specifically the Syriac Orthodox/Syriac Catholic rite, and discuss how the others are related (which is what I tried to do with the intro). In this case, we would still need a place to discuss the family of rites. Thoughts?-- Cúchullain t/ c 13:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Syro Malankara church uses a variant of the original liturgy of the Syriac orthodox church. Hence picture of the Syriac orthodox liturgy is apt in this context. Mandrake_the_Magician ( talk) 22:17, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
It is always better to show the original version than the variant. Mandrake_the_Magician ( talk) 22:31, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Today there are many churches following West Syrian Rite.
There was a picture of Holy Mass of Syro-Malankara Catholic Church in this article. Recently this has been replaced with another picture - Holy Mass of Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church. Since both Syro-Malankara Catholic Church and Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church ( Syriac Orthodox Church) follows West Syrian liturgy, what is the point in removing first picture? Let us keep both the pictures - 59.95.64.78 ( talk) 22:49, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
The current picture added by User:Kokkarani is not the Holy Mass of Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church, it is the Holy Mass of Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church. please note, Malankara rite is practiced by various churches that descend from the Malankara Church, namely the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church, the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, the Malabar Independent Syrian Church, and the Mar Thoma Syrian Church. In this case removing the picture of Holy Mass of Syro-Malankara Catholic Church and keeping only Jacobite Church picture is not fair !! - 45.125.147.24 ( talk) 14:27, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church is an integral part of Syrian Orthodox Church. I don't understand why you are refusing the original liturgy and accepting a variant of the West Syrian liturgy formed only in 1930 AD. Syriac Orthodox Church has been using this liturgy of St James from the Apostolic era and is the most ancient liturgy available. So you think a variant liturgy formed in 1930 AD should represent the West Syrian liturgy? Mandrake_the_Magician ( talk) 00:10, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
I do not have any disagreement with the statement
Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church is an integral part of
Syrian Orthodox Church. But need some clarity on following ponts:
1)You said Syro-Malankara church is using a variant of West-Syrian Liturgy. Which is this variant? Is this variant known as 'Malankara Rite'? What is the difference between West Syrian Liturgy and this variant?
2)Which is the liturgy practiced in
Jacobite Syrian Christian Church? is it West Syrian or its variant??
3)Which is the liturgy practiced in
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church?? is it West Syrian or its variant?? -
45.126.205.180 (
talk) 16:51, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
@Kokkarani, you have not provided clarifications for above queries. Instead of that you changed the title of the article "Malankara Rite" to "
Syro Malankara Rite" and did
these changes in the article. Very Good Response!! -
45.126.205.110 (
talk) 23:50, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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This article is not about liturgy of the syriac orthodox church. Its about West Syrian liturgy and today many churches follows that. It is not fair to remove the liturgical services of other churches who follows West Syrian Liturgy.- 59.95.64.78 ( talk) 22:28, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Please read the article . It says many churches descended from Syriac Orthodox Church are using variants of the West Syrian liturgy. However the liturgy practiced in the Syriac Orthodox church is the primary source one for all other churches descended from it. Hence it is apt to show the liturgy of the Syriac Orthodox church in this context. Mandrake_the_Magician ( talk) 00:15, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
@Kokkarani, you have not provided answers for the 3 questions I raised in above section - 23:39, 13 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.126.205.110 ( talk)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested. Dekimasu よ! 00:43, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
West Syrian Rite →
West Syriac Rite – Until lately named so. Per
WP:CONSISTENCY with
Syriac language,
Syriac Christianity,
Syriac Catholic Church,
Syriac Orthodox Church etc.
Chicbyaccident (
talk) 07:23, 2 July 2018 (UTC)--Relisting.
Dekimasu
よ! 21:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I believe that West Syriac liturgical rites is simply a duplicate article of West Syriac Rite. If West Syriac liturgical rites has a distinct purpose, it's merely to list the subordinate liturgical uses of the West Syriac Rite. In a similar instance, we have only one article for Latin liturgical rites, rather than separating out the ritual family and the list of subordinate rites and uses. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 20:34, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
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