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Have the perpetrators of this crime against so many people ever been prosecuted for their actions and their utter failure to use common sense? Who knows more about this? -- Fyslee / talk 18:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
The term "convenience link" is typically used to indicate a link to a copy of a resource somewhere on the Internet, offered in addition to a formal citation to the same resource in its original format. Such links are unique in how reliability is applied. It is important to ensure that the copy being linked is a true copy of the original, without any comments, emendations, edits or changes. When the "convenience link" is hosted by a site that is considered reliable on its own, this is relatively easy to assume. However, when such a link is hosted on a less reliable site, the linked version should be checked for accuracy against the original, or not linked at all if such verification is not possible. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 21:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
The "convenience links" are fine for now, they let me see the full text. I am restoring them. ---- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 21:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Doctor confirms abuse in sex-ring case - (AP) 12/5/96 - Waterville - "One girl showed definite medical signs of sexual abuse and it could not be ruled for two others, a defense witness testified (Dr Deborah Harper)...in the child rape and molestation trial of a Pentacostal preacher and his wife... Prosecutors allege unordained pastor Robert "Roby" Roberson and his wife, Connie, has sex with children at the East Wenatchee Pentacostal Church of God House and Prayer and at their home.
That doesn't mean that they are false, but it means they weren't given widespread circulation, or that bigger media outlets chose not to use that AP article. Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 21:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, they were no misquotes at Fells Acres. I have reprinted the articles with matching quotes in their entirety at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fells_Acres_Day_Care_Center The jpegs are accurate pictures of the articles. There is no evidence otherwise. Abuse truth ( talk) 03:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I am fine with the scanned articles. Please stop disputing them, its getting silly, concentrate on content. The scans should be added to a more permanent part of the web, do you have a blog, AbuseTruth?-- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 05:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
These two ELs have been restored twice to the page w/o reason. I have deleted the ELs per WP:LINKSPAM and WP:ELNO 11 - personal web pages, 4 - promoting a website and an advocacy site and another editor also deleted these. One was also an AOL site. Concerned Citizens for Legal Accountability (CCLA) and archived CCLA website ResearchEditor ( talk) 04:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Editors note generalized discussion affecting all ritual abuse cases, at Talk:Satanic_ritual_abuse#Rename_discussion. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 14:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
There was no "sex ring". 98.118.62.140 ( talk) 04:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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I followed this story as it happened, and I created a set of links to Wenatchee, WA alleged witchhunt articles then on the internet. Perhaps some authors might also find it helpful. It has Kathryn Lyon's "Wenatchee Report" in a few formats (including plain text). When Concerned Citizens for Legal Accountability decided to discontinue their website, I offered to archive it (as it was), and CCLA said yes. Thanks to CCLA for making this resource available, then and now. Archive.org then archived this, so the archive now available (and cited on the page) is an archive of an archive. DougHill ( talk) 19:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
There is an interesting interview of Pastor Roberson at: http://cameogarrett.blogspot.com/2008/03/wenatchee-mentality-conversation-with.html . Can we cite this blog? I think this reliably sources some of Roberson's views. He mentions an interview with Geraldo Rivera. We should cite that if we can find it. DougHill ( talk) 19:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
According to [2] and [3], Janet Reno looked at some of the sources cited on the page, and said she'd "take a new look" at her decision not to do anything about these cases. Ultimately she did not change her mind, so I'm not sure if or how we should address this on the page. DougHill ( talk) 22:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Mike Siegel did a radio show from Wenatchee about and during these cases and interviewed some of those involved. [4] He wrote a chapter in his book about this. [5] If we can find a recording we should link to it. But I'm not sure whether or where this goes on the page without that. DougHill ( talk) 10:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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Have the perpetrators of this crime against so many people ever been prosecuted for their actions and their utter failure to use common sense? Who knows more about this? -- Fyslee / talk 18:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
The term "convenience link" is typically used to indicate a link to a copy of a resource somewhere on the Internet, offered in addition to a formal citation to the same resource in its original format. Such links are unique in how reliability is applied. It is important to ensure that the copy being linked is a true copy of the original, without any comments, emendations, edits or changes. When the "convenience link" is hosted by a site that is considered reliable on its own, this is relatively easy to assume. However, when such a link is hosted on a less reliable site, the linked version should be checked for accuracy against the original, or not linked at all if such verification is not possible. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 21:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
The "convenience links" are fine for now, they let me see the full text. I am restoring them. ---- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 21:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Doctor confirms abuse in sex-ring case - (AP) 12/5/96 - Waterville - "One girl showed definite medical signs of sexual abuse and it could not be ruled for two others, a defense witness testified (Dr Deborah Harper)...in the child rape and molestation trial of a Pentacostal preacher and his wife... Prosecutors allege unordained pastor Robert "Roby" Roberson and his wife, Connie, has sex with children at the East Wenatchee Pentacostal Church of God House and Prayer and at their home.
That doesn't mean that they are false, but it means they weren't given widespread circulation, or that bigger media outlets chose not to use that AP article. Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 21:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, they were no misquotes at Fells Acres. I have reprinted the articles with matching quotes in their entirety at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fells_Acres_Day_Care_Center The jpegs are accurate pictures of the articles. There is no evidence otherwise. Abuse truth ( talk) 03:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I am fine with the scanned articles. Please stop disputing them, its getting silly, concentrate on content. The scans should be added to a more permanent part of the web, do you have a blog, AbuseTruth?-- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 05:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
These two ELs have been restored twice to the page w/o reason. I have deleted the ELs per WP:LINKSPAM and WP:ELNO 11 - personal web pages, 4 - promoting a website and an advocacy site and another editor also deleted these. One was also an AOL site. Concerned Citizens for Legal Accountability (CCLA) and archived CCLA website ResearchEditor ( talk) 04:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Editors note generalized discussion affecting all ritual abuse cases, at Talk:Satanic_ritual_abuse#Rename_discussion. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 14:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
There was no "sex ring". 98.118.62.140 ( talk) 04:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 05:25, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I followed this story as it happened, and I created a set of links to Wenatchee, WA alleged witchhunt articles then on the internet. Perhaps some authors might also find it helpful. It has Kathryn Lyon's "Wenatchee Report" in a few formats (including plain text). When Concerned Citizens for Legal Accountability decided to discontinue their website, I offered to archive it (as it was), and CCLA said yes. Thanks to CCLA for making this resource available, then and now. Archive.org then archived this, so the archive now available (and cited on the page) is an archive of an archive. DougHill ( talk) 19:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
There is an interesting interview of Pastor Roberson at: http://cameogarrett.blogspot.com/2008/03/wenatchee-mentality-conversation-with.html . Can we cite this blog? I think this reliably sources some of Roberson's views. He mentions an interview with Geraldo Rivera. We should cite that if we can find it. DougHill ( talk) 19:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
According to [2] and [3], Janet Reno looked at some of the sources cited on the page, and said she'd "take a new look" at her decision not to do anything about these cases. Ultimately she did not change her mind, so I'm not sure if or how we should address this on the page. DougHill ( talk) 22:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Mike Siegel did a radio show from Wenatchee about and during these cases and interviewed some of those involved. [4] He wrote a chapter in his book about this. [5] If we can find a recording we should link to it. But I'm not sure whether or where this goes on the page without that. DougHill ( talk) 10:01, 24 September 2020 (UTC)