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What do you think about a Weird West category as a sub category of western, science-fiction genres and horror amongst others? ( Emperor 06:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC))
I've removed the tags as I've added references and information to address the points. If there is anything else that needs nailing down then drop a note in here.
One thing I'd like to flag. I redid the opening sentence and removed the mention that it was a film term. This was changed from "fiction" with little justification [1] - while the earliest examples might be films the term does appear to come rom fiction. While it is difficult term to pin down (as it is an alliterative play on Wild West I suspect it has been doing the rounds by word of mouth) it seems to have first appeared from fiction and Weird Western Tales seems to be the earliest example. I'd guess the term became really popular thanks to Deadlands who hammer the term Weird West in all their output (search Amazon for "Weird West" and you get a dozen or so of their novel spin-offs) and it is possible that definitive answer might lie in the introductions to For a Few Dead Guys More [2] (although the general introduction is in all three anthologies that volume contains a forward by Joe R. Lansdale). So if anyone has that can they have a look through and see what they can come up with? I am tryng to get hold of a copy but it'd be handy if this could be nailed down in the meantime. ( Emperor 14:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC))
No joke, Bravestarr would quite more apropriately depict a "weird west/sci-fi" combo -- 81.190.87.20 20:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Should Tex Arcana be listed on this page as an example of "Weird West". -- User:130.215.29.46 Wed Dec 19 18:25:08 UTC 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 18:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Eventhough it's most often labeled as a 'steampunk'-game, I wonder if it would also fit the Weird West genre. The game isn't set in a specific Terran setting, so there's no such thing as Britain or America (Britain being a main location for steampunk) and the feel and look of the game have a very wasteland'ish image, with deserts, lone travellers and small settlements. Also, multiple scores in the soundtrack are typical Spaghetti Western-themes (Shadow's Theme, Terra's Theme) and saloon rock (Johnny C Bad). The characters of Shadow and Setzer are also arch-typical western characters; the Man with no Name, and the Gambler respectively. Cyanid ( talk) 10:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
The examples in the science fiction western article are basically the same as those here. Does anyone use this term? Should the articles be merged, with a section redirect? Wierd west seems the more notable term, and is more inclusive. Yobmod ( talk) 14:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
It's set in an alternate-earth, post Great Depression. Why is it listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.82.252 ( talk) 07:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Is is quite clearly in this genre, and perhaps one of the oldest examples in the music category. Can someone please add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.165.88 ( talk) 00:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
The article is beset by problems because it is almost entirely WP:OR and contains excessive lists which have been created indiscriminately in breach of WP:IINFO. This is why it is currently tagged with several maintenance banners and inline templates.
One point that must be made is that Weird West is not by itself a recognised subgenre. The main source (BFI) calls it a term. As such, it is used for the three recognised subgenres (FW, HW, SFW) and their variants such as Space Western. The article needs to be rewritten, as the lead has already been, using verifiable information and the number of examples need to be reduced to a prominent few such as are currently in the lead. No Great Shaker ( talk) 10:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
All content has been verified or, if still dubious, removed. The examples have been culled as requested by the Example Farm banner and the remainder have been rationalised and sourced. Kim Newman is one source for FW, HW and SFW as genres although he uses the perhaps incorrect term cross-genre. I agree that hybrid genre is more suitable and it is compatible with Newman's reasoning. We must insist on WP:V and WP:RS for all future additions. No Great Shaker ( talk) 09:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
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What do you think about a Weird West category as a sub category of western, science-fiction genres and horror amongst others? ( Emperor 06:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC))
I've removed the tags as I've added references and information to address the points. If there is anything else that needs nailing down then drop a note in here.
One thing I'd like to flag. I redid the opening sentence and removed the mention that it was a film term. This was changed from "fiction" with little justification [1] - while the earliest examples might be films the term does appear to come rom fiction. While it is difficult term to pin down (as it is an alliterative play on Wild West I suspect it has been doing the rounds by word of mouth) it seems to have first appeared from fiction and Weird Western Tales seems to be the earliest example. I'd guess the term became really popular thanks to Deadlands who hammer the term Weird West in all their output (search Amazon for "Weird West" and you get a dozen or so of their novel spin-offs) and it is possible that definitive answer might lie in the introductions to For a Few Dead Guys More [2] (although the general introduction is in all three anthologies that volume contains a forward by Joe R. Lansdale). So if anyone has that can they have a look through and see what they can come up with? I am tryng to get hold of a copy but it'd be handy if this could be nailed down in the meantime. ( Emperor 14:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC))
No joke, Bravestarr would quite more apropriately depict a "weird west/sci-fi" combo -- 81.190.87.20 20:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Should Tex Arcana be listed on this page as an example of "Weird West". -- User:130.215.29.46 Wed Dec 19 18:25:08 UTC 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 18:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Eventhough it's most often labeled as a 'steampunk'-game, I wonder if it would also fit the Weird West genre. The game isn't set in a specific Terran setting, so there's no such thing as Britain or America (Britain being a main location for steampunk) and the feel and look of the game have a very wasteland'ish image, with deserts, lone travellers and small settlements. Also, multiple scores in the soundtrack are typical Spaghetti Western-themes (Shadow's Theme, Terra's Theme) and saloon rock (Johnny C Bad). The characters of Shadow and Setzer are also arch-typical western characters; the Man with no Name, and the Gambler respectively. Cyanid ( talk) 10:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
The examples in the science fiction western article are basically the same as those here. Does anyone use this term? Should the articles be merged, with a section redirect? Wierd west seems the more notable term, and is more inclusive. Yobmod ( talk) 14:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
It's set in an alternate-earth, post Great Depression. Why is it listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.82.252 ( talk) 07:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Is is quite clearly in this genre, and perhaps one of the oldest examples in the music category. Can someone please add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.165.88 ( talk) 00:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
The article is beset by problems because it is almost entirely WP:OR and contains excessive lists which have been created indiscriminately in breach of WP:IINFO. This is why it is currently tagged with several maintenance banners and inline templates.
One point that must be made is that Weird West is not by itself a recognised subgenre. The main source (BFI) calls it a term. As such, it is used for the three recognised subgenres (FW, HW, SFW) and their variants such as Space Western. The article needs to be rewritten, as the lead has already been, using verifiable information and the number of examples need to be reduced to a prominent few such as are currently in the lead. No Great Shaker ( talk) 10:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
All content has been verified or, if still dubious, removed. The examples have been culled as requested by the Example Farm banner and the remainder have been rationalised and sourced. Kim Newman is one source for FW, HW and SFW as genres although he uses the perhaps incorrect term cross-genre. I agree that hybrid genre is more suitable and it is compatible with Newman's reasoning. We must insist on WP:V and WP:RS for all future additions. No Great Shaker ( talk) 09:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)