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Hello Wiki community,
I’m on the public relations team for Websense. I’m writing you today to ask for your further assistance in organizing and clarifying the Websense Wikipedia page.
Recently there was a bit of an edit war between two users that dramatically changed the content of the page. As far as we are aware neither of those participants works for or is affiliated with Websense. The problem with the current content is that it does not accurately reflect our business. I’d like your feedback on how to correct factual errors or omissions. It is not our intent to make the entry a marketing piece, nor shy away from documented controversy. We’d like to supply omitted content and correct factual errors. We would like to work within this talk page to better clean up the page under Wikipedia guidelines. Based on the information below, would someone be willing to review the linked materials and update our business section to include our business category and description to reflect this background?
There are two issues that might be helpful background for you:
1. The business that Websense is in has evolved over the years. Phase one was “web filtering” or blocking access to certain sites. Put simply, for most customers that was “porn filtering”. Customers bought to stay compliant with HR rules and laws about respectful work environments. Phase two was about productivity. Companies bought advanced filtering to keep employees from wasting all day doing things like online gambling or social media. They could be blocked completely, allocated quote time, or set to certain hours (like lunch break). The current emphasis is all about security. All of those data breaches you read about? They usually start with targeted emails, get people to an infected website, download malicious code, and start sending confidential data out, usually for profit. Websense is all about keeping that whole chain (email security, web security, mobile security, data loss prevention) from occurring.
For further validation of our shift to email, web, mobile, and data security provider, please see
2. There are people who equate categorization and customer filtering with censorship and want to brand Websense as a censorship company. Be clear about this: we categorize sites and content (that’s porn, that’s gambling, that’s shopping, that’s hate speech, that’s religious, that’s sports, etc.-there are over 90 categories), and our customers choose what to block, allow, or limit. Companies have an absolute right—and sometimes even a legal responsibility—to block certain content. That is not censorship. And we work diligently to prevent misuse of our technology. For example, we worked with the ACLU to help schools realize that students should not be blocked from LGBT sites. And we will not sell to governments that would use our products for censorship (we have a record of remotely disabling misused product and for not bidding for or accepting business meant for censorship).
When we get a chance to explain this to activists they often become fans.
The challenge we have is that many of the most fervent contributors to date seem to have ignored these two important elements of our business. These contributors are those that have strayed the Websense Wikipedia entry from a neutral piece to one with clear agendas represented.
We look forward to ongoing discussions with all contributors and working with editors and WikiFairies to update the page in a sanctioned, impartial manner.
Best regards, Phogan83 ( talk) 20:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Article still seems heavily focused on a singular aspect of their business. Going to try to follow some examples from other entries on computer security firms and bring this more in line with the standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MazooSharktooth ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
User:204.15.64.200 changed this to an Austin, Texas based company. If that is actually true, you'll need a reference, as it contradicts the official web site. Mark Hurd ( talk) 06:42, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. I would like to help improve this page and bring it up to GA standards following WP:COI best practices. I see that dating back almost six years editors have said the page has a "negative tone" and "appears to have become a battleground over the politics of internet censorship" that is striking in "how little it says about the software and its working." @ Bilby: is the only editor I've spotted on this Talk page that appears to still be active though.
I did prepare a draft that is more balanced with larger sections on corporate history and products, and smaller more proportional sections on criticisms and controversies. I basically have to write a draft as the impetus to do the research and become informed on what the sources say, but I am happy with whatever process editors are most comfortable with in terms of my bringing the page up to GA with a COI. CorporateM ( Talk) 18:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Dennis Brown: @ Drmies: @ John Broughton: I have added the press release from the Rhode Island chapter of the ACLU (which adds the library criticism), the blog post from writer and activist Jillian York, the piece from The Register, and the Wall Street Journal (which did have a couple very small snippets of new information for the page) to [[[User:CorporateM/Forcepoint|the draft]]. Mostly I just copy/pasted what was in the current article, while formatting the cites, etc.. Let me know if there's anything else and thanks for chipping in! CorporateM ( Talk) 17:12, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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I urge folks watching this article to consider doing their own searches for sources to ensure that this is truly NPOV.
As of the summer there were discussions about spinning off Forcepoint via an IPO or sale, and quite often buffing up the WP page is part of the PR around doing that. Jytdog ( talk) 02:01, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
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As a general rule of thumb, a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs and be carefully sourced as appropriate.This article is large enough, and sourced enough, to contain more information that should be summarized in the lead. Currently, the lead talks too much about the company renaming and its acquisition, and should focus on a brief overall history of the company, and more about what the company does and its influence. If this can be fixed before the end of the review, I will pass this criteria. However, it fails to meet this GA criteria right now. I would recommend that the Websense and Forcepoint sections be renamed to 1994–2014 and 2014–present, respectively. I also recommend that censorship become its own section.
Websense was founded in 1994[3] by Phil Trubey[4] during the dot-com boom[5] under the name NetPartners.[6]) This is not necessary and does not follow the layout style guidelines. Please read Wikipedia:Citing sources#Avoiding clutter, WP:MINREF and WP:CITEDENSE.
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Hello Wiki community,
I’m on the public relations team for Websense. I’m writing you today to ask for your further assistance in organizing and clarifying the Websense Wikipedia page.
Recently there was a bit of an edit war between two users that dramatically changed the content of the page. As far as we are aware neither of those participants works for or is affiliated with Websense. The problem with the current content is that it does not accurately reflect our business. I’d like your feedback on how to correct factual errors or omissions. It is not our intent to make the entry a marketing piece, nor shy away from documented controversy. We’d like to supply omitted content and correct factual errors. We would like to work within this talk page to better clean up the page under Wikipedia guidelines. Based on the information below, would someone be willing to review the linked materials and update our business section to include our business category and description to reflect this background?
There are two issues that might be helpful background for you:
1. The business that Websense is in has evolved over the years. Phase one was “web filtering” or blocking access to certain sites. Put simply, for most customers that was “porn filtering”. Customers bought to stay compliant with HR rules and laws about respectful work environments. Phase two was about productivity. Companies bought advanced filtering to keep employees from wasting all day doing things like online gambling or social media. They could be blocked completely, allocated quote time, or set to certain hours (like lunch break). The current emphasis is all about security. All of those data breaches you read about? They usually start with targeted emails, get people to an infected website, download malicious code, and start sending confidential data out, usually for profit. Websense is all about keeping that whole chain (email security, web security, mobile security, data loss prevention) from occurring.
For further validation of our shift to email, web, mobile, and data security provider, please see
2. There are people who equate categorization and customer filtering with censorship and want to brand Websense as a censorship company. Be clear about this: we categorize sites and content (that’s porn, that’s gambling, that’s shopping, that’s hate speech, that’s religious, that’s sports, etc.-there are over 90 categories), and our customers choose what to block, allow, or limit. Companies have an absolute right—and sometimes even a legal responsibility—to block certain content. That is not censorship. And we work diligently to prevent misuse of our technology. For example, we worked with the ACLU to help schools realize that students should not be blocked from LGBT sites. And we will not sell to governments that would use our products for censorship (we have a record of remotely disabling misused product and for not bidding for or accepting business meant for censorship).
When we get a chance to explain this to activists they often become fans.
The challenge we have is that many of the most fervent contributors to date seem to have ignored these two important elements of our business. These contributors are those that have strayed the Websense Wikipedia entry from a neutral piece to one with clear agendas represented.
We look forward to ongoing discussions with all contributors and working with editors and WikiFairies to update the page in a sanctioned, impartial manner.
Best regards, Phogan83 ( talk) 20:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Article still seems heavily focused on a singular aspect of their business. Going to try to follow some examples from other entries on computer security firms and bring this more in line with the standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MazooSharktooth ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
User:204.15.64.200 changed this to an Austin, Texas based company. If that is actually true, you'll need a reference, as it contradicts the official web site. Mark Hurd ( talk) 06:42, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. I would like to help improve this page and bring it up to GA standards following WP:COI best practices. I see that dating back almost six years editors have said the page has a "negative tone" and "appears to have become a battleground over the politics of internet censorship" that is striking in "how little it says about the software and its working." @ Bilby: is the only editor I've spotted on this Talk page that appears to still be active though.
I did prepare a draft that is more balanced with larger sections on corporate history and products, and smaller more proportional sections on criticisms and controversies. I basically have to write a draft as the impetus to do the research and become informed on what the sources say, but I am happy with whatever process editors are most comfortable with in terms of my bringing the page up to GA with a COI. CorporateM ( Talk) 18:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Dennis Brown: @ Drmies: @ John Broughton: I have added the press release from the Rhode Island chapter of the ACLU (which adds the library criticism), the blog post from writer and activist Jillian York, the piece from The Register, and the Wall Street Journal (which did have a couple very small snippets of new information for the page) to [[[User:CorporateM/Forcepoint|the draft]]. Mostly I just copy/pasted what was in the current article, while formatting the cites, etc.. Let me know if there's anything else and thanks for chipping in! CorporateM ( Talk) 17:12, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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I urge folks watching this article to consider doing their own searches for sources to ensure that this is truly NPOV.
As of the summer there were discussions about spinning off Forcepoint via an IPO or sale, and quite often buffing up the WP page is part of the PR around doing that. Jytdog ( talk) 02:01, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
GA toolbox |
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Reviewer: CookieMonster755 ( talk · contribs) 15:48, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
As a general rule of thumb, a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs and be carefully sourced as appropriate.This article is large enough, and sourced enough, to contain more information that should be summarized in the lead. Currently, the lead talks too much about the company renaming and its acquisition, and should focus on a brief overall history of the company, and more about what the company does and its influence. If this can be fixed before the end of the review, I will pass this criteria. However, it fails to meet this GA criteria right now. I would recommend that the Websense and Forcepoint sections be renamed to 1994–2014 and 2014–present, respectively. I also recommend that censorship become its own section.
Websense was founded in 1994[3] by Phil Trubey[4] during the dot-com boom[5] under the name NetPartners.[6]) This is not necessary and does not follow the layout style guidelines. Please read Wikipedia:Citing sources#Avoiding clutter, WP:MINREF and WP:CITEDENSE.
See above