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Since KWQ is a component of of WebKit, and the article is a stub with almost identical text to the description already here, I think KWQ should be deleted, and redirect to WebKit#KWQ. Hertzsprung 13:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I used a lot of the text from the webkit component articles that used to be separate because most of them were short and outdated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.145.1 ( talk) 20:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Looking more closely, all the subprojects are stubs at the moment, and I don't see why they shouldn't be merged into this article. I propose merging WebCore, JavaScriptCore, KWQ, and Drosera into here. If there are no objections, I'll do this in the next few days. Hertzsprung 16:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I consent your proposal that merge WebCore into the WebKit article. QQ ( talk) 17:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Webkit isn´t just an Mac OS component anymore. It´s a base system for lots of other browsers, including safari, konqueror, Nokia Series 60 web browser and even Google´s Android platform web browser. So i think it should be and separated article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.52.194.143 ( talk) 12:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I've corrected that, and also added that Apple is not the exclusive developer of the code. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.63.217.178 ( talk) 06:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
The sentence "The next month Ars Technica published an article announcing that the KDE team was going to move from KHTML to WebKit." has a reference after it, but it is to Dot.KDE not Ars Technica, and I see no reference to Ars. Superm401 - Talk 22:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
KWQ is no longer part of WebCore or WebKit. You can see one of the commits that was involved in eliminating it here: http://trac.webkit.org/projects/webkit/changeset/15253, and a search for kwq* in my webkit checkout turns up nothing. I would suggest that the mentions of KWQ in the article either be removed, or be changed to be past tense. 71.236.163.69 ( talk) 11:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
should the logo be replaced or is there a reason its the safari compase —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.171.94 ( talk) 00:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed the gold icon, that is the icon for the WebKit nightly application. I don't think any icon is appropriate. The article is about the framework, which is now supported on a number of platforms, so even the generic Mac OS X framework icon is not appropriate. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 01:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
" WebKit and its components are small and fast, have clean source code, and support the latest standards for web content." I removed this as its POV and webkit only gets 90/100 on acid3. There also seams to be no critisim of the horrible comits that apple would do when they originally forked (theyd basically dump all of the changes just before a version release in order to comply with the licesne but this meant laege blocks of badly comented code, which was hard/impossible to work back into khtml and cuased the fork.-- 77.99.171.94 ( talk) 00:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Regardless, the entire article is still quite POV. It also contains bad grammar. 114.111.151.60 ( talk) 03:28, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
References
I'm sure that I've started using the first Safari on OS X 10.2.4, or maybe even a previous version... --jack —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.222.124.149 ( talk) 12:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
The _complete_ WebKit source code is licencesed under the LGPL. Is that true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.173.110 ( talk) 18:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Some files are under the BSD license, others are under the LGPL. This means that effectively the whole project is subject to the terms ofthe LGPL. -- MaciejStachowiak ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC).
- I wonder if history would have turned out differently, if the renderer had also been licensed under GPL, the same as the JS engine. 103.1.70.136 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I'll say this again. I've searched for reliable sources for the claim that Torch Mobile is a significant contributor to WebKit. I can't find any. The only sources I can find that mention Torch Mobile or Iris are either press releases or regurgitated press releases. If you are certain that Torch Mobile should be mentioned along side Apple, Nokia and Google, please provide some reliable sources to back that up. Your own website is not a reliable source.
BTW It doesn't help that the person pushing for Torch Mobile to be mentioned here is the " original author". We have clear guidance on conflict of interest. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 11:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Read WebKit source code, mailing list history, commit logs, etc. It's very clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.229.243.61 ( talk) 14:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm really tired of your idiocy. I read through your wonderfully colourful Wikipedia history and saw all of the lovely comments others have left about you and I see you are very well loved. The arrows didn't have to be too large apparently. I'm sure you do leave your wiki scouring hole once in a while too. Apparently not to do even a basic search about a topic you profess to be an authority on, however.
in WebKit/WebCore: $ grep "@google.com" ChangeLog* | wc -l
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$ grep "staikos" ChangeLog* | wc -l
92 ^^^^^^^^^ That's one person @ Torch Mobile vs -all- contributions from google.com! That's not to say anything about Google's contribution but only to point out what you are apparently incapable of deciphering.
Almost 8x as much! GET A CLUE. THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT TAKES ABOUT 20 SECONDS TO FIND. You clearly have an agenda and are making use of Wikipedia as your forum to promote your strange agenda. Do I need to use 72pt font and a massive arrow too?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.134.136.76 ( talk • contribs) 03:20, November 5, 2008
To explain a little further since you don't seem to get it. I don't give a damn which companies are mentioned in the article. What I have a problem with is people with an obvious conflict of issue trying to use Wikipedia as a billboard for their endeavours. However if you could provide a single reliable source that proves TorchMobile is a significant contributor, or the Iris browser is notable in any way, I would gladly add them to the article myself. The fact that you can't after me asking 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times, speaks volumes. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 06:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I've listed this discussion at Wikipedia:Third opinion. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 11:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
If Torch Mobile has been around since 2003, why did it announce its launch in 11 February 2008? [2] AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 11:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Also if all of Staikos commits were done in his capacity as President of Torch Mobile, why do none of his commits up to 11 February 2008 mention Torch Mobile, with them all listing the KDE project and Staikos Computing Services, [3] which then changes on 11 February to list Torch Mobile? [4] AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 11:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi
The dispute here is whether the article can claim that Torch Mobile is a significant contributor to WebKit. In considering this I have consulted the policies WP:V and WP:NOR and the guideline WP:RS.
I do not believe that there is any intrinsic reason why this claim can be made; however it must be referenced by a reliable, impartial third-party source. This source should be accessible by a layperson (a user who is not an expert in the subject). For this reason I am reluctant to accept commit logs from an SCM system, since they can not necessarily be interpreted by a lay reader. Additionally I believe that citing commit logs requires a degree of synthesis since not all commits by one organisation are identified as coming from that organisation, particularly in the Free/Open Source software realm.
WebKit is a well-known piece of software and has been extensively written about. Its significant contributors should have been acknowledged in articles about WebKit and these should be used to support claims, not commit logs. If WebKit's contributors have not been publically acknowledged then a general statement along the lines of "contributions from many sectors of the community" should suffice.
Cheers, This flag once was red propaganda deeds 19:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I've followed along with this debate and think that the following citation should satisfy everyone: http://webkit.org/blog/188/safari-hits-622-market-share/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beanerz ( talk • contribs) 10:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit#cite_note-0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit#cite_note-1 Both of those referencing Nokia's and Google's work on WebKit say nothing more than that they used it, and they are both posted by (or an interview with) the same person who worked at each of those companies at that time. They are no different than the referenced WebKit article except for the fact that the referenced one for Iris Browser was posted by a core member of the WebKit development team, whereas the others were not. Not to start anything further, but Nokia had contributed very little if anything until they acquired Trolltech this year, and Google contributed little if anything until Chrome was released. Torch Mobile and its employees have been contributing in various capacities for many years, as the commit logs point to. WebKit is an opensource project, and that's how opensource projects work. Read the code, read the mailing lists. That's the only way you can really know the truth. If you don't like the 90+ contributions there, you can see the git repository that was hosted for Trolltech at http://code.staikos.net/ which has the Torch Mobile trees in it as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.237.71.2 ( talk) 12:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I assure you they were contributing as Torch Mobile employees for years. It was just not labeled as such publicly. See https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20393 for an openly Torch Mobile branded major feature if the branding means so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.237.71.2 ( talk) 13:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Re: Nokia, which feature does that article show they contributed? And where can this be found? Basically all they did was dump their code up on the website or into a separate tree that was never merged. Contrast this to active development by Torch Mobile employees, which you can very clearly see in the webkit checkins, webkit bug tracking, webkit mailing lists, and even in QtWebKit which is the basis of the browser that Torch Mobile is already shipping. That browser didn't just appear out of thin air. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.237.71.2 ( talk) 13:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
My point is that your references for the other two companies are equally invalid then. Perhaps things were checked in later, but not prior to that article. So what do you want, an interview or perhaps some made up news story that Torch Mobile has been contributing to WebKit? Or do you not just want to look at the actual checkins? You trust some random journalist over a hard fact? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk) 16:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face. We are going to play ping pong forever on this. I don't plan to give up until you recognize what you insist on not recognizing. Torch Mobile is an active contributor to WebKit. You are looking for reasons to specifically deny this out of a personal mission. Conflict of interest? That's YOU. Now you can see here:
http://trac.webkit.org/export/38233/trunk/WebCore/ChangeLog-2008-08-10 http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/36974
I'm glad to know that you are convinced that an email address is enough to prove a fact. Moron. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk) 14:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
You stop wasting my time! I offered to have a call or private conversation with you to explain to you some basic concepts but you are unwilling to. Instead you prefer this circus show. You are unwilling to take 10 minutes to look up simple obvious facts like this: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/cgi-bin/sc_mrksv/corpdir/dataOnline/corpns_re?company_select=6055826 OH MY!!! 2003! ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT IN WHICH IT WAS REGISTERED! AND AVAILABLE WITH A SIMPLE QUERY ON A PUBLIC PAGE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk • contribs) 15:54, November 8, 2008
Listen you moron, a press release means nothing. If you want to know private information about the company, contact Torch Mobile and sign an NDA and it will be released to you. You clearly have a PERSONAL AGENDA. Clearly some escalated steps will need to be taken. I hope your wikipedia account is revoked as a result of this. You deserve it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk) 16:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Did you ever stop to think that maybe an email address in a commit log means nothing AT ALL? That perhaps it is just a way to contact someone and that their employment could be something that you have no idea about? And perhaps you could even investigate this instead of jumping to conclusions? You clearly have an agenda to support Nokia and Google but block out all others. You also exhibit world class inability to distinguish fact from fiction and to determine meaning behind statements or information. You assume that a journalist's writings on a topic make it a fact (when the real fact is that it didn't happen), but you cannot accept government data combined with a long history of tangible results/work as a fact. Did you ever think to ask? No, because you don't want it to be true. You have a personal agenda, and are on a power trip. You found a niche that you could take over and decided that you will be the ruler here. You have no clue about the topic at hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk) 16:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
In fact!! Just to prove your stupidity, I looked up the long history of Nokia WebKit contributions: ChangeLog-2005-12-19: Fix by Kimmo Kinnunen <kimmo.t.kinnunen@nokia.com> ChangeLog-2005-12-19: Fix by Kimmo Kinnunen <kimmo.t.kinnunen@nokia.com> ChangeLog-2006-05-10:2006-02-03 Kimmo Kinnunen <kimmo.t.kinnunen@nokia.com> ChangeLog-2006-05-10:2005-12-30 Kimmo Kinnunen <kimmo.kinnunen@nokia.com> ChangeLog-2006-12-31:2006-11-10 Zalan Bujtas <zalan.bujtas@nokia.com> ChangeLog-2006-12-31:2006-06-09 Kimmo Kinnunen <kimmo.t.kinnunen@nokia.com>
That's 6 - count them 6 - checkins. All but one of them is a build fix. LONG HISTORY. You Sir, have been FOOLED by a JOURNALIST! HAHAHAHAHA
Oh and your comment about the email address meaning so much, well google.com only appears to have started contributing on Aug 28 according to your definition. That's a good solid 12 checkins. If you want to see 12 checkins from Torch Mobile, it will come right up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk • contribs) 16:26, November 8, 2008
I'm sorry but I see no evidence he made any commit during his time at Nokia, and given that he used @gmail.com, by your argument, he was not representing Google. I formally request that you remove Nokia and Google as contributors to WebKit or withdraw your arguments above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk) 17:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
That's a load of crap and you know it. Either remove Google and Nokia, or add Torch Mobile! Anyone can create a tree. Torch Mobile has lots! http://code.staikos.net/ is where they're hosted and you were pointed there already. QtWebKit is also heavily developed by Torch Mobile. You just don't want to admit it. "What the hell am I smoking?" I think you are delusional.
The google and nokia contributions are NOT SOURCED BY YOUR DEFINITION. You are BIASED BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS. Your own citations for Nokia and Google cannot be reliable sources because they were proven FALSE!!
In addition your removal of Torch Mobile Iris Browser from the list of browsers using WebKit is showing your personal BIAS as there are thousands of references to this all over the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk • contribs) 18:30, November 8, 2008
I'm not disputing Staikos involvement in the project, there is plenty of evidence that he is a long-time contributor. However all the evidence I can find that mentions Torch Mobile, makes it look like it popped into existence in February this year. Has Staikos been contributing all this time as an employee of Torch Mobile? From this page it seems like Staikos Consulting and Torch Mobile were two differnet companies, are they actually the same? I know this is frustrating but the aim with Wikipedia is verifiability not truth. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 19:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry one other question. Even if Nokia made changes to WebKit that never made it back into the main tree, shouldn't they still count? They made the changes, they shipped the software on their phones and the source is out there. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 19:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for this input. I think something should be done to reflect the real contributors. Your two last links does at least prove that Torch have people at the level of code review, which is indeed a very strong argument. However, in order to fairly compare with the other sources, could someone perhaps tell me what part of the OS news article "An Overview of Nokia's KHTML/WebCore-based S60 Browser" identifies Nokia as a contributor? If someone could quote that section, then we can compare what level of sourcing is required to make a statement about contribution to the mainline. Vesal ( talk) 19:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems that some new browsers have been added to the list of WebKit derived browsers, while Iris Browser was removed before as being "insignificant". Is there any particular reason for this? The same issue is happening on the Acid3 page, where Iris Browser has the best Acid3 score around today, and yet it's being removed as insignificant (by someone who can't possibly know this as a fact). Given the amount of press, the number of users (which is actually significant), the fact that it is no longer beta, and this whole argument above, I think there is some imbalance here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.58.252.237 ( talk) 01:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
"WebKit was originally derived by Apple Inc. from the Konqueror browser’s KHTML software library for use as the HTML rendering engine of Mac OS X’s Safari and Google Chrome web browsers,"
This makes it sound like Apple derived WebKit for Google Chrome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.61.171.151 ( talk) 01:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Arora 0.8 (and higher) is based on version 532.0. Unfortunately, article about Arora is deleted . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.23.103.206 ( talk) 19:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I entered this Wikipedia article to find this information, and I was very surprised I couldn't find.
Can someone please add a list of browsers that uses WebKit as its rendering engine?
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.15.87.73 ( talk) 23:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
IF YOU OPEN THE 'WIKI' LINK ON WEBKIT.ORG AND CLICK THE FIRST LINK ON THAT PAGE (SOMETHING LIKE 'ABOUT OUR TEAM') A FAKE ANTI-VIRUS PROGRAM WILL ATTACK YOU COMPUTER!!! I HAD TO DO A SYSTEM RESTORE. SORRY ABOUT POSTING THIS HERE. I AM A NOOB AND DO NOT KNOW WHERE ELSE TO PASS THIS INFORMATION. THANKS.
"WebKit will continue to dominate the mobile industry as the market penetration of smartphones, the engine's primary contributors, increases." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.201.1 ( talk) 05:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
The second sentence currently includes: "WebKit powers Google Chrome..."
If I remember correctly, only the HTML/CSS portions of WebKit are used in Chrome. Didn't Google create their own, separate JavaScript engine for Chrome? Perhaps this needs to be clarified in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.22.231.57 ( talk) 22:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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Your attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated.
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This article needs to state, which version(s) and features of HTML webkit supports (by version).
It needs to give a version history with date. And I also could not find, who is maintaining the code currently.
THANKS -- Michael Janich ( talk) 04:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
PhantomJS ( http://phantomjs.org/ ) is headless WebKit with JavaScript API. I think it would fit the article to mention it, but wouldn't know where to mention it appropriately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rfc ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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Since KWQ is a component of of WebKit, and the article is a stub with almost identical text to the description already here, I think KWQ should be deleted, and redirect to WebKit#KWQ. Hertzsprung 13:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I used a lot of the text from the webkit component articles that used to be separate because most of them were short and outdated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.145.1 ( talk) 20:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Looking more closely, all the subprojects are stubs at the moment, and I don't see why they shouldn't be merged into this article. I propose merging WebCore, JavaScriptCore, KWQ, and Drosera into here. If there are no objections, I'll do this in the next few days. Hertzsprung 16:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I consent your proposal that merge WebCore into the WebKit article. QQ ( talk) 17:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Webkit isn´t just an Mac OS component anymore. It´s a base system for lots of other browsers, including safari, konqueror, Nokia Series 60 web browser and even Google´s Android platform web browser. So i think it should be and separated article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.52.194.143 ( talk) 12:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I've corrected that, and also added that Apple is not the exclusive developer of the code. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.63.217.178 ( talk) 06:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
The sentence "The next month Ars Technica published an article announcing that the KDE team was going to move from KHTML to WebKit." has a reference after it, but it is to Dot.KDE not Ars Technica, and I see no reference to Ars. Superm401 - Talk 22:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
KWQ is no longer part of WebCore or WebKit. You can see one of the commits that was involved in eliminating it here: http://trac.webkit.org/projects/webkit/changeset/15253, and a search for kwq* in my webkit checkout turns up nothing. I would suggest that the mentions of KWQ in the article either be removed, or be changed to be past tense. 71.236.163.69 ( talk) 11:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
should the logo be replaced or is there a reason its the safari compase —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.171.94 ( talk) 00:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed the gold icon, that is the icon for the WebKit nightly application. I don't think any icon is appropriate. The article is about the framework, which is now supported on a number of platforms, so even the generic Mac OS X framework icon is not appropriate. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 01:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
" WebKit and its components are small and fast, have clean source code, and support the latest standards for web content." I removed this as its POV and webkit only gets 90/100 on acid3. There also seams to be no critisim of the horrible comits that apple would do when they originally forked (theyd basically dump all of the changes just before a version release in order to comply with the licesne but this meant laege blocks of badly comented code, which was hard/impossible to work back into khtml and cuased the fork.-- 77.99.171.94 ( talk) 00:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Regardless, the entire article is still quite POV. It also contains bad grammar. 114.111.151.60 ( talk) 03:28, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
References
I'm sure that I've started using the first Safari on OS X 10.2.4, or maybe even a previous version... --jack —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.222.124.149 ( talk) 12:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
The _complete_ WebKit source code is licencesed under the LGPL. Is that true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.173.110 ( talk) 18:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Some files are under the BSD license, others are under the LGPL. This means that effectively the whole project is subject to the terms ofthe LGPL. -- MaciejStachowiak ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC).
- I wonder if history would have turned out differently, if the renderer had also been licensed under GPL, the same as the JS engine. 103.1.70.136 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I'll say this again. I've searched for reliable sources for the claim that Torch Mobile is a significant contributor to WebKit. I can't find any. The only sources I can find that mention Torch Mobile or Iris are either press releases or regurgitated press releases. If you are certain that Torch Mobile should be mentioned along side Apple, Nokia and Google, please provide some reliable sources to back that up. Your own website is not a reliable source.
BTW It doesn't help that the person pushing for Torch Mobile to be mentioned here is the " original author". We have clear guidance on conflict of interest. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 11:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Read WebKit source code, mailing list history, commit logs, etc. It's very clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.229.243.61 ( talk) 14:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm really tired of your idiocy. I read through your wonderfully colourful Wikipedia history and saw all of the lovely comments others have left about you and I see you are very well loved. The arrows didn't have to be too large apparently. I'm sure you do leave your wiki scouring hole once in a while too. Apparently not to do even a basic search about a topic you profess to be an authority on, however.
in WebKit/WebCore: $ grep "@google.com" ChangeLog* | wc -l
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$ grep "staikos" ChangeLog* | wc -l
92 ^^^^^^^^^ That's one person @ Torch Mobile vs -all- contributions from google.com! That's not to say anything about Google's contribution but only to point out what you are apparently incapable of deciphering.
Almost 8x as much! GET A CLUE. THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT TAKES ABOUT 20 SECONDS TO FIND. You clearly have an agenda and are making use of Wikipedia as your forum to promote your strange agenda. Do I need to use 72pt font and a massive arrow too?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.134.136.76 ( talk • contribs) 03:20, November 5, 2008
To explain a little further since you don't seem to get it. I don't give a damn which companies are mentioned in the article. What I have a problem with is people with an obvious conflict of issue trying to use Wikipedia as a billboard for their endeavours. However if you could provide a single reliable source that proves TorchMobile is a significant contributor, or the Iris browser is notable in any way, I would gladly add them to the article myself. The fact that you can't after me asking 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times, speaks volumes. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 06:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I've listed this discussion at Wikipedia:Third opinion. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 11:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
If Torch Mobile has been around since 2003, why did it announce its launch in 11 February 2008? [2] AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 11:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Also if all of Staikos commits were done in his capacity as President of Torch Mobile, why do none of his commits up to 11 February 2008 mention Torch Mobile, with them all listing the KDE project and Staikos Computing Services, [3] which then changes on 11 February to list Torch Mobile? [4] AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 11:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi
The dispute here is whether the article can claim that Torch Mobile is a significant contributor to WebKit. In considering this I have consulted the policies WP:V and WP:NOR and the guideline WP:RS.
I do not believe that there is any intrinsic reason why this claim can be made; however it must be referenced by a reliable, impartial third-party source. This source should be accessible by a layperson (a user who is not an expert in the subject). For this reason I am reluctant to accept commit logs from an SCM system, since they can not necessarily be interpreted by a lay reader. Additionally I believe that citing commit logs requires a degree of synthesis since not all commits by one organisation are identified as coming from that organisation, particularly in the Free/Open Source software realm.
WebKit is a well-known piece of software and has been extensively written about. Its significant contributors should have been acknowledged in articles about WebKit and these should be used to support claims, not commit logs. If WebKit's contributors have not been publically acknowledged then a general statement along the lines of "contributions from many sectors of the community" should suffice.
Cheers, This flag once was red propaganda deeds 19:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I've followed along with this debate and think that the following citation should satisfy everyone: http://webkit.org/blog/188/safari-hits-622-market-share/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beanerz ( talk • contribs) 10:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit#cite_note-0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit#cite_note-1 Both of those referencing Nokia's and Google's work on WebKit say nothing more than that they used it, and they are both posted by (or an interview with) the same person who worked at each of those companies at that time. They are no different than the referenced WebKit article except for the fact that the referenced one for Iris Browser was posted by a core member of the WebKit development team, whereas the others were not. Not to start anything further, but Nokia had contributed very little if anything until they acquired Trolltech this year, and Google contributed little if anything until Chrome was released. Torch Mobile and its employees have been contributing in various capacities for many years, as the commit logs point to. WebKit is an opensource project, and that's how opensource projects work. Read the code, read the mailing lists. That's the only way you can really know the truth. If you don't like the 90+ contributions there, you can see the git repository that was hosted for Trolltech at http://code.staikos.net/ which has the Torch Mobile trees in it as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.237.71.2 ( talk) 12:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I assure you they were contributing as Torch Mobile employees for years. It was just not labeled as such publicly. See https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20393 for an openly Torch Mobile branded major feature if the branding means so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.237.71.2 ( talk) 13:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Re: Nokia, which feature does that article show they contributed? And where can this be found? Basically all they did was dump their code up on the website or into a separate tree that was never merged. Contrast this to active development by Torch Mobile employees, which you can very clearly see in the webkit checkins, webkit bug tracking, webkit mailing lists, and even in QtWebKit which is the basis of the browser that Torch Mobile is already shipping. That browser didn't just appear out of thin air. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.237.71.2 ( talk) 13:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
My point is that your references for the other two companies are equally invalid then. Perhaps things were checked in later, but not prior to that article. So what do you want, an interview or perhaps some made up news story that Torch Mobile has been contributing to WebKit? Or do you not just want to look at the actual checkins? You trust some random journalist over a hard fact? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk) 16:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face. We are going to play ping pong forever on this. I don't plan to give up until you recognize what you insist on not recognizing. Torch Mobile is an active contributor to WebKit. You are looking for reasons to specifically deny this out of a personal mission. Conflict of interest? That's YOU. Now you can see here:
http://trac.webkit.org/export/38233/trunk/WebCore/ChangeLog-2008-08-10 http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/36974
I'm glad to know that you are convinced that an email address is enough to prove a fact. Moron. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk) 14:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
You stop wasting my time! I offered to have a call or private conversation with you to explain to you some basic concepts but you are unwilling to. Instead you prefer this circus show. You are unwilling to take 10 minutes to look up simple obvious facts like this: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/cgi-bin/sc_mrksv/corpdir/dataOnline/corpns_re?company_select=6055826 OH MY!!! 2003! ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT IN WHICH IT WAS REGISTERED! AND AVAILABLE WITH A SIMPLE QUERY ON A PUBLIC PAGE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk • contribs) 15:54, November 8, 2008
Listen you moron, a press release means nothing. If you want to know private information about the company, contact Torch Mobile and sign an NDA and it will be released to you. You clearly have a PERSONAL AGENDA. Clearly some escalated steps will need to be taken. I hope your wikipedia account is revoked as a result of this. You deserve it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk) 16:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Did you ever stop to think that maybe an email address in a commit log means nothing AT ALL? That perhaps it is just a way to contact someone and that their employment could be something that you have no idea about? And perhaps you could even investigate this instead of jumping to conclusions? You clearly have an agenda to support Nokia and Google but block out all others. You also exhibit world class inability to distinguish fact from fiction and to determine meaning behind statements or information. You assume that a journalist's writings on a topic make it a fact (when the real fact is that it didn't happen), but you cannot accept government data combined with a long history of tangible results/work as a fact. Did you ever think to ask? No, because you don't want it to be true. You have a personal agenda, and are on a power trip. You found a niche that you could take over and decided that you will be the ruler here. You have no clue about the topic at hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk) 16:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
In fact!! Just to prove your stupidity, I looked up the long history of Nokia WebKit contributions: ChangeLog-2005-12-19: Fix by Kimmo Kinnunen <kimmo.t.kinnunen@nokia.com> ChangeLog-2005-12-19: Fix by Kimmo Kinnunen <kimmo.t.kinnunen@nokia.com> ChangeLog-2006-05-10:2006-02-03 Kimmo Kinnunen <kimmo.t.kinnunen@nokia.com> ChangeLog-2006-05-10:2005-12-30 Kimmo Kinnunen <kimmo.kinnunen@nokia.com> ChangeLog-2006-12-31:2006-11-10 Zalan Bujtas <zalan.bujtas@nokia.com> ChangeLog-2006-12-31:2006-06-09 Kimmo Kinnunen <kimmo.t.kinnunen@nokia.com>
That's 6 - count them 6 - checkins. All but one of them is a build fix. LONG HISTORY. You Sir, have been FOOLED by a JOURNALIST! HAHAHAHAHA
Oh and your comment about the email address meaning so much, well google.com only appears to have started contributing on Aug 28 according to your definition. That's a good solid 12 checkins. If you want to see 12 checkins from Torch Mobile, it will come right up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk • contribs) 16:26, November 8, 2008
I'm sorry but I see no evidence he made any commit during his time at Nokia, and given that he used @gmail.com, by your argument, he was not representing Google. I formally request that you remove Nokia and Google as contributors to WebKit or withdraw your arguments above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk) 17:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
That's a load of crap and you know it. Either remove Google and Nokia, or add Torch Mobile! Anyone can create a tree. Torch Mobile has lots! http://code.staikos.net/ is where they're hosted and you were pointed there already. QtWebKit is also heavily developed by Torch Mobile. You just don't want to admit it. "What the hell am I smoking?" I think you are delusional.
The google and nokia contributions are NOT SOURCED BY YOUR DEFINITION. You are BIASED BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS. Your own citations for Nokia and Google cannot be reliable sources because they were proven FALSE!!
In addition your removal of Torch Mobile Iris Browser from the list of browsers using WebKit is showing your personal BIAS as there are thousands of references to this all over the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.101.207.134 ( talk • contribs) 18:30, November 8, 2008
I'm not disputing Staikos involvement in the project, there is plenty of evidence that he is a long-time contributor. However all the evidence I can find that mentions Torch Mobile, makes it look like it popped into existence in February this year. Has Staikos been contributing all this time as an employee of Torch Mobile? From this page it seems like Staikos Consulting and Torch Mobile were two differnet companies, are they actually the same? I know this is frustrating but the aim with Wikipedia is verifiability not truth. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 19:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry one other question. Even if Nokia made changes to WebKit that never made it back into the main tree, shouldn't they still count? They made the changes, they shipped the software on their phones and the source is out there. AlistairMcMillan ( talk) 19:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for this input. I think something should be done to reflect the real contributors. Your two last links does at least prove that Torch have people at the level of code review, which is indeed a very strong argument. However, in order to fairly compare with the other sources, could someone perhaps tell me what part of the OS news article "An Overview of Nokia's KHTML/WebCore-based S60 Browser" identifies Nokia as a contributor? If someone could quote that section, then we can compare what level of sourcing is required to make a statement about contribution to the mainline. Vesal ( talk) 19:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems that some new browsers have been added to the list of WebKit derived browsers, while Iris Browser was removed before as being "insignificant". Is there any particular reason for this? The same issue is happening on the Acid3 page, where Iris Browser has the best Acid3 score around today, and yet it's being removed as insignificant (by someone who can't possibly know this as a fact). Given the amount of press, the number of users (which is actually significant), the fact that it is no longer beta, and this whole argument above, I think there is some imbalance here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.58.252.237 ( talk) 01:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
"WebKit was originally derived by Apple Inc. from the Konqueror browser’s KHTML software library for use as the HTML rendering engine of Mac OS X’s Safari and Google Chrome web browsers,"
This makes it sound like Apple derived WebKit for Google Chrome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.61.171.151 ( talk) 01:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Arora 0.8 (and higher) is based on version 532.0. Unfortunately, article about Arora is deleted . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.23.103.206 ( talk) 19:59, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I entered this Wikipedia article to find this information, and I was very surprised I couldn't find.
Can someone please add a list of browsers that uses WebKit as its rendering engine?
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.15.87.73 ( talk) 23:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
IF YOU OPEN THE 'WIKI' LINK ON WEBKIT.ORG AND CLICK THE FIRST LINK ON THAT PAGE (SOMETHING LIKE 'ABOUT OUR TEAM') A FAKE ANTI-VIRUS PROGRAM WILL ATTACK YOU COMPUTER!!! I HAD TO DO A SYSTEM RESTORE. SORRY ABOUT POSTING THIS HERE. I AM A NOOB AND DO NOT KNOW WHERE ELSE TO PASS THIS INFORMATION. THANKS.
"WebKit will continue to dominate the mobile industry as the market penetration of smartphones, the engine's primary contributors, increases." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.201.1 ( talk) 05:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
The second sentence currently includes: "WebKit powers Google Chrome..."
If I remember correctly, only the HTML/CSS portions of WebKit are used in Chrome. Didn't Google create their own, separate JavaScript engine for Chrome? Perhaps this needs to be clarified in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.22.231.57 ( talk) 22:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Attn.: intrepid Wikipedia editor(s)
Stub or no (if so, please indicate as much next to the title), the first paragraph of any article introduces the topic and as such, is of the upmost importance. The first paragraph of article Webkit doesn’t pass muster on several counts and should therefore be rewritten, preferably from scratch.
Your attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated.
--
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talk) 18:01, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
This article needs to state, which version(s) and features of HTML webkit supports (by version).
It needs to give a version history with date. And I also could not find, who is maintaining the code currently.
THANKS -- Michael Janich ( talk) 04:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
PhantomJS ( http://phantomjs.org/ ) is headless WebKit with JavaScript API. I think it would fit the article to mention it, but wouldn't know where to mention it appropriately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rfc ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
by WebWare: http://www.webwareforpython.org/WebKit/Docs/InstallGuide.html and http://www.webwareforpython.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.37.171.204 ( talk) 15:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
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