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A warning about certain sources There is one source on the subject of Weaving that represents a Citogenesis or Circular Reporting risk to Wikipedia as they appear to plagiarize verbatim, directly from Wikipedia. [1] Edits which created the original 2004 version can be found here and the addition of a circular reference to Lydon was made on 6 January 2024. The source is Lydon, Catherine Ginevra Fong (2007). The Warp of the Formal, the Weft of the Everyday. Berkeley, California, USA: University of California, Berkeley. Retrieved 8 January 2024.; and should be avoided to prevent a Citogenesis Incident. |
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 January 2019 and 23 March 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Allychun27.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 12:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Smallchief: has suggested we need some discussion. I would suggest that we float a page where the American weaving traditions can be fully explained. I have no experience with this so others will have to lead. There are many other sections that we need add to obtain a comprehensive article on the Topic- Weaving while staying on focus. I will add
I have removed all images that were off-topic in te section where they were placed and removed all 150px stuff, sticking to 'upright', as we must think of mobile phone users. ClemRutter ( talk) 10:34, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
2.4 American weaving traditions {{main|American weaving traditions}} [[File:Patricia Herna¦ündez Cha¦üvez working with her mother Cirila Cha¦üvez Herna¦ündez, Sto. Toma¦üs Jalietza.jpg|upright|Patricia Hernandez Chavez and mother work on backstrap looms in Oaxaca]] The Andean and Amazonian cultures had an even longer tradition of weaving, but never introduced a [[power loom]], leaving the individual weaver to produce ... or whatever
I'd like to add a short paragraph about the modern handweaving revival (1930s to today) as a jumping off point for other Articles / Categories smIsle ( talk) 19:28, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
ClemRutter ( talk) 08:27, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
The paragraph on Industrial revolution says: in the uplands weavers worked from home on a putting-out system. Where are the uplands? I think it should be linked. Does it refer to Southern Uplands? -- Ettrig ( talk) 22:57, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to add a section about tablet weaving to the history section, but I'm not sure where to put it. It was pretty much all in Europe, but it started well before the medieval period. Should that header just be changed to Europe in general? Bufobuff ( talk) 23:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC) Bufobuff ( talk) 23:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 27 September 2022 and 10 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Weeniedoglover13 ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Weeniedoglover13 ( talk) 16:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Would a section about notable weavers, especially women, be beneficial to the page? It might be good to begin a running list to prompt others to keep learning about weaving and the different practices in the world. We can make an intentional effort to include non-Western weavers. Weeniedoglover13 ( talk) 21:49, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
As noted by @ The Adventures of the Not So Venerable Mr. Siggs:, this article has been mentioned in a recently published article in Business I and picked up by the New York Times.
The allegation is that
Neri Oxman plagiarized text from this Wikipedia article. (Those allegations have been added to edited in the article about Oxman by @
Sj:, @
Sashona:.
Those making allegations did look at the history of the article, and found the exact text in this version of the article, which is approximately the date of her dissertation I believe.
Yesterday, an editor @ LutherBlissetts: Added an edit noting that the text could be found in a 2007 book (Lydon, Catherine Ginevra Fong (2007). The Warp of the Formal, the Weft of the Everyday.), change the text so that it's a block quote, and added a reference. (I left a note on that editors talk page but they've gone almost a month between edits so I don't know how quickly they will respond.)
So far so good, other than the obvious concern about how long it took for Wikipedia to correct an instance of plagiarism.
I look to see if I could find when the text was first added, and concluded it came with this edit in 2004. The text was added by an IP editor, so reaching out to the editor doesn't seem fruitful.
On the one hand, we know that Wikipedia was only three years old in 2004, and standards for sourcing were less involved at that time. Additionally, There were no in-line references in that version and there was a note at the bottom of the page identifying that it incorporates text in the public domain.
However, I am troubled by the observation that text from a 2007 book was added to a Wikipedia article in 2004. One obvious possibility is that the author of the book 1st use first used that text in an earlier paper which then was turned into a book. My very brief search didn't turn it up, and I'm hoping that editors more familiar with the field will have the interest in energy to track down the origins of the text.
S Philbrick
(Talk)
18:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Allegations have been made that Neri Oxman plagiarized text from the Weaving article. This was originally reported in Business Insider [1] with a related article in the NY Times [2], both published on 6 Jan 2024.
Both warp and weft can be visible in the final product. But by spacing the warp more closely, it can completely cover the weft that binds it, giving a warpfaced textile. Conversely by spreading the warp out, the weft can slide down and completely cover the warp, giving a weftfaced textile,, such as a tapestry or a kilim rug.
Both warp and weft can be visible in the final product. By spacing the warp more closely, it can completely cover the weft that binds it, giving a warpfaced textile such as rep weave. Conversely, if the warp is spread out, the weft can slide down and completely cover the warp, giving a weftfaced textile, such as a tapestry or a Kilim rug.
Added one bullet point Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 17:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Both warp and weft can be visible in the final product. By spacing the warp more closely, it can completely cover the weft that binds it, giving a warpfaced textile such as rep weave. Conversely, if the warp is spread out, the weft can slide down and completely cover the warp, giving a weftfaced textile, such as a tapestry or a Kilim rug.
Both warp and weft can be visible in the final product. By spacing the warp more closely, it can completely cover the weft that binds it, giving a warp faced textile such as repp weave.[8] Conversely, if the warp is spread out, the weft can slide down and completely cover the warp, giving a weft faced textile, such as a tapestry or a Kilim rug.
concede to lack of knowledge of the subject matterbut it looks to me as though the original 2004 edit and the 2005 edit were done by editors who weave themselves. I looked at some YouTube videos which confirm what our text says about warp and weft-faced weaves ( warp-faced weave, weft-faced weave). According to WP, tapestries and Kilim rugs are weft-faced weaves, so our text appears to be correct. I added a couple of "verify citation" tags to the paragraph. I don't have access to the cited source yet; if it doesn't support the text, we should be able to find better sources elsewhere.
variety of loom styles for hand weaving and tapestry- is this sentence even necessary? Different types of looms are mentioned in Weaving#Types and Weaving#Other_cultures. Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 13:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC) Just discovered that I responded to the wrong editor of the (unsigned post). Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 15:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
@ Edenaviv5: Did you verify that the cited source supports the paragraph? Sphilbrick says it isn't obvious to them that the source supports the material. I haven't had access to the source yet. Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 15:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
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A warning about certain sources There is one source on the subject of Weaving that represents a Citogenesis or Circular Reporting risk to Wikipedia as they appear to plagiarize verbatim, directly from Wikipedia. [1] Edits which created the original 2004 version can be found here and the addition of a circular reference to Lydon was made on 6 January 2024. The source is Lydon, Catherine Ginevra Fong (2007). The Warp of the Formal, the Weft of the Everyday. Berkeley, California, USA: University of California, Berkeley. Retrieved 8 January 2024.; and should be avoided to prevent a Citogenesis Incident. |
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 January 2019 and 23 March 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Allychun27.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 12:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Smallchief: has suggested we need some discussion. I would suggest that we float a page where the American weaving traditions can be fully explained. I have no experience with this so others will have to lead. There are many other sections that we need add to obtain a comprehensive article on the Topic- Weaving while staying on focus. I will add
I have removed all images that were off-topic in te section where they were placed and removed all 150px stuff, sticking to 'upright', as we must think of mobile phone users. ClemRutter ( talk) 10:34, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
2.4 American weaving traditions {{main|American weaving traditions}} [[File:Patricia Herna¦ündez Cha¦üvez working with her mother Cirila Cha¦üvez Herna¦ündez, Sto. Toma¦üs Jalietza.jpg|upright|Patricia Hernandez Chavez and mother work on backstrap looms in Oaxaca]] The Andean and Amazonian cultures had an even longer tradition of weaving, but never introduced a [[power loom]], leaving the individual weaver to produce ... or whatever
I'd like to add a short paragraph about the modern handweaving revival (1930s to today) as a jumping off point for other Articles / Categories smIsle ( talk) 19:28, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
ClemRutter ( talk) 08:27, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
The paragraph on Industrial revolution says: in the uplands weavers worked from home on a putting-out system. Where are the uplands? I think it should be linked. Does it refer to Southern Uplands? -- Ettrig ( talk) 22:57, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to add a section about tablet weaving to the history section, but I'm not sure where to put it. It was pretty much all in Europe, but it started well before the medieval period. Should that header just be changed to Europe in general? Bufobuff ( talk) 23:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC) Bufobuff ( talk) 23:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 27 September 2022 and 10 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Weeniedoglover13 ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Weeniedoglover13 ( talk) 16:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Would a section about notable weavers, especially women, be beneficial to the page? It might be good to begin a running list to prompt others to keep learning about weaving and the different practices in the world. We can make an intentional effort to include non-Western weavers. Weeniedoglover13 ( talk) 21:49, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
As noted by @ The Adventures of the Not So Venerable Mr. Siggs:, this article has been mentioned in a recently published article in Business I and picked up by the New York Times.
The allegation is that
Neri Oxman plagiarized text from this Wikipedia article. (Those allegations have been added to edited in the article about Oxman by @
Sj:, @
Sashona:.
Those making allegations did look at the history of the article, and found the exact text in this version of the article, which is approximately the date of her dissertation I believe.
Yesterday, an editor @ LutherBlissetts: Added an edit noting that the text could be found in a 2007 book (Lydon, Catherine Ginevra Fong (2007). The Warp of the Formal, the Weft of the Everyday.), change the text so that it's a block quote, and added a reference. (I left a note on that editors talk page but they've gone almost a month between edits so I don't know how quickly they will respond.)
So far so good, other than the obvious concern about how long it took for Wikipedia to correct an instance of plagiarism.
I look to see if I could find when the text was first added, and concluded it came with this edit in 2004. The text was added by an IP editor, so reaching out to the editor doesn't seem fruitful.
On the one hand, we know that Wikipedia was only three years old in 2004, and standards for sourcing were less involved at that time. Additionally, There were no in-line references in that version and there was a note at the bottom of the page identifying that it incorporates text in the public domain.
However, I am troubled by the observation that text from a 2007 book was added to a Wikipedia article in 2004. One obvious possibility is that the author of the book 1st use first used that text in an earlier paper which then was turned into a book. My very brief search didn't turn it up, and I'm hoping that editors more familiar with the field will have the interest in energy to track down the origins of the text.
S Philbrick
(Talk)
18:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Allegations have been made that Neri Oxman plagiarized text from the Weaving article. This was originally reported in Business Insider [1] with a related article in the NY Times [2], both published on 6 Jan 2024.
Both warp and weft can be visible in the final product. But by spacing the warp more closely, it can completely cover the weft that binds it, giving a warpfaced textile. Conversely by spreading the warp out, the weft can slide down and completely cover the warp, giving a weftfaced textile,, such as a tapestry or a kilim rug.
Both warp and weft can be visible in the final product. By spacing the warp more closely, it can completely cover the weft that binds it, giving a warpfaced textile such as rep weave. Conversely, if the warp is spread out, the weft can slide down and completely cover the warp, giving a weftfaced textile, such as a tapestry or a Kilim rug.
Added one bullet point Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 17:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Both warp and weft can be visible in the final product. By spacing the warp more closely, it can completely cover the weft that binds it, giving a warpfaced textile such as rep weave. Conversely, if the warp is spread out, the weft can slide down and completely cover the warp, giving a weftfaced textile, such as a tapestry or a Kilim rug.
Both warp and weft can be visible in the final product. By spacing the warp more closely, it can completely cover the weft that binds it, giving a warp faced textile such as repp weave.[8] Conversely, if the warp is spread out, the weft can slide down and completely cover the warp, giving a weft faced textile, such as a tapestry or a Kilim rug.
concede to lack of knowledge of the subject matterbut it looks to me as though the original 2004 edit and the 2005 edit were done by editors who weave themselves. I looked at some YouTube videos which confirm what our text says about warp and weft-faced weaves ( warp-faced weave, weft-faced weave). According to WP, tapestries and Kilim rugs are weft-faced weaves, so our text appears to be correct. I added a couple of "verify citation" tags to the paragraph. I don't have access to the cited source yet; if it doesn't support the text, we should be able to find better sources elsewhere.
variety of loom styles for hand weaving and tapestry- is this sentence even necessary? Different types of looms are mentioned in Weaving#Types and Weaving#Other_cultures. Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 13:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC) Just discovered that I responded to the wrong editor of the (unsigned post). Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 15:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
@ Edenaviv5: Did you verify that the cited source supports the paragraph? Sphilbrick says it isn't obvious to them that the source supports the material. I haven't had access to the source yet. Space4Time3Continuum2x 🖖 15:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
References
{{
cite web}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)