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Look, its pretty easy: The W° doesn't exist, the Z° does. There are interactions mediated by the Z° which are observed either directly or indirectly (otherwise assigning a mass would be problematical). So, isn't it a simple matter of weak isospin conservation to assign AN ACTUAL VALUE to its T3?? (I would suppose that the value is either Real or Complex). I could be wrong in this simplistic thinking, but why is ANY space used to discuss the W°?? (Yeah, I know it is one of the three fantasy gauge bosons in the INCORRECT electroweak model). I'm trying to track down either weak hypercharge or weak isospin (assuming they're related by Q = 2(Y-T3)) and have turned up nothing clear. So far, everything I'm seeing is about the W's and any further discussion wanders off into the irrelevancy ! of the supposed 'origin'of the Z°. So, I have every reason to believe that the Z° actually CAN be assigned a value for weak isospin (and if not, wtf isn't that stated CLEARLY?!) but nobody does it. It just can't be that difficult to explain. Abitslow ( talk) 16:46, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
The article states `Only a specific combination of them [...] (electric charge), is conserved'. Even if this is correct in the Higgs phase, I find this statement insufficient, since it systematically excludes physics above the electroweak scale. In the symmetric phase, weak isospin as well as weak hypercharge are separately conserved.
The article is incorrect in claiming that interaction with the Higgs vacuum background violates T3 conservation. During fermion mass acquisition the fermions exchange Higgs with the vacuum. The Higgs possesses T3 and hence T3 is conserved during this process. cheers, Michael C. Price talk 14:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
What are you talking about re "pictorial "acquisition"" ?
Leaving aside this , regarding the Higgs, it forms an SU(2) isospin doublet in EW. And any field interaction can always be reinterpreted in terms of particles - that's just QED. cheers, Michael C. Price talk 00:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
And QFT, more generally. cheers, Michael C. Price talk 00:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
A very superficial view. cheers, Michael C. Price talk 22:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the article claims that since all electroweak bosons have zero weak hypercharge, "unlike gluons of the color force, the electroweak bosons are unaffected by the force they mediate". However, don't the W± bosons couple to the third component of the weak isospin rather than the weak hypercharge? And the W± bosons do have non-zero T3. So they should feel the force they carry, be able to send out and absorb their own kind. Furthermore, the Z0 boson couples to T3 in addition to YW. So the W bosons should also be able to send out and swallow Z bosons. Is all that correct? If so, I'll presumably change the article accordingly. Kniva Keisarabani the Goth ( talk) 09:16, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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Look, its pretty easy: The W° doesn't exist, the Z° does. There are interactions mediated by the Z° which are observed either directly or indirectly (otherwise assigning a mass would be problematical). So, isn't it a simple matter of weak isospin conservation to assign AN ACTUAL VALUE to its T3?? (I would suppose that the value is either Real or Complex). I could be wrong in this simplistic thinking, but why is ANY space used to discuss the W°?? (Yeah, I know it is one of the three fantasy gauge bosons in the INCORRECT electroweak model). I'm trying to track down either weak hypercharge or weak isospin (assuming they're related by Q = 2(Y-T3)) and have turned up nothing clear. So far, everything I'm seeing is about the W's and any further discussion wanders off into the irrelevancy ! of the supposed 'origin'of the Z°. So, I have every reason to believe that the Z° actually CAN be assigned a value for weak isospin (and if not, wtf isn't that stated CLEARLY?!) but nobody does it. It just can't be that difficult to explain. Abitslow ( talk) 16:46, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
The article states `Only a specific combination of them [...] (electric charge), is conserved'. Even if this is correct in the Higgs phase, I find this statement insufficient, since it systematically excludes physics above the electroweak scale. In the symmetric phase, weak isospin as well as weak hypercharge are separately conserved.
The article is incorrect in claiming that interaction with the Higgs vacuum background violates T3 conservation. During fermion mass acquisition the fermions exchange Higgs with the vacuum. The Higgs possesses T3 and hence T3 is conserved during this process. cheers, Michael C. Price talk 14:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
What are you talking about re "pictorial "acquisition"" ?
Leaving aside this , regarding the Higgs, it forms an SU(2) isospin doublet in EW. And any field interaction can always be reinterpreted in terms of particles - that's just QED. cheers, Michael C. Price talk 00:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
And QFT, more generally. cheers, Michael C. Price talk 00:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
A very superficial view. cheers, Michael C. Price talk 22:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the article claims that since all electroweak bosons have zero weak hypercharge, "unlike gluons of the color force, the electroweak bosons are unaffected by the force they mediate". However, don't the W± bosons couple to the third component of the weak isospin rather than the weak hypercharge? And the W± bosons do have non-zero T3. So they should feel the force they carry, be able to send out and absorb their own kind. Furthermore, the Z0 boson couples to T3 in addition to YW. So the W bosons should also be able to send out and swallow Z bosons. Is all that correct? If so, I'll presumably change the article accordingly. Kniva Keisarabani the Goth ( talk) 09:16, 3 February 2024 (UTC)