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Inspector73 has twice added to this article a death date of 1 April 2004, latterly with the edit summary "He was my father and I have death certificate as evidence if needed." That clearly does not meet our verifiability standards and I have asked the user to provide published supporting references. However, online searching of the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index via Ancestry.com confirms that an Edward William Allen, born 15 December 1942, died in April 2004, and a date of 1 April followed by cremation in Greenwich on 15 April is supported by the Burial and Cremation Index, 1838-2014, again accessed via Ancestry but partly available here. I suggest that in the circumstances we should assume good faith, rather than simply reverting the change and adding a standard template to the user's page - which is what Egghead06 has done, somewhat insensitively in my view. I have added a citation needed template to the date in the article, pending a better source becoming available. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 08:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
PS: The COI template should be used "to alert readers that the article may be biased by a conflict of interest... Do not use this tag unless there are significant or substantial problems with the article's neutrality as a result of the contributor's involvement." The issue here is not one of neutrality or bias - it is one of finding sources that meet WP's reliability criteria. Those issues are already flagged up in the article. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 16:56, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
While I am a frequent visitor (and financial contributor) to Wikipedia, I am not a frequent poster of articles, and therefore am unclear what is necessarily needed in respect to evidence in such circumstances. Egghead06 is correct, I have tried to amend the article on several occasions, and forgive me for daring to have more than one username, I’m sure Egghead06 only has the one username for everything in his/her life. But, with every intention of responding to the previous rejections, I simply forgot and other life pressing matters took precedence. The purpose of amending the article was, naturally, to inform those whom have an interest in my father that he has since assed away. I am not trying to “make a person dead” but to be informative of the truth.
I am very grateful for the research undertaken by you Ghmyrtle on my behalf to verify my alteration and for the good faith shown. As stated, the only evidence I can provide is a death certificate which I have, but it sounds that this may not be enough in any event. I also agree and find that Egghead06 has shown a complete lack of sensitivity and respect in this regard, and the comments are somewhat disappointing.
Thank you
Richard Allen Inspector73 ( talk) 15:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I thank you both for your advice and I will do just that. My father, despite his singing talents, was not a big star and was unlucky in other respects. Inspector73 ( talk) 17:34, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
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Inspector73 has twice added to this article a death date of 1 April 2004, latterly with the edit summary "He was my father and I have death certificate as evidence if needed." That clearly does not meet our verifiability standards and I have asked the user to provide published supporting references. However, online searching of the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index via Ancestry.com confirms that an Edward William Allen, born 15 December 1942, died in April 2004, and a date of 1 April followed by cremation in Greenwich on 15 April is supported by the Burial and Cremation Index, 1838-2014, again accessed via Ancestry but partly available here. I suggest that in the circumstances we should assume good faith, rather than simply reverting the change and adding a standard template to the user's page - which is what Egghead06 has done, somewhat insensitively in my view. I have added a citation needed template to the date in the article, pending a better source becoming available. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 08:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
PS: The COI template should be used "to alert readers that the article may be biased by a conflict of interest... Do not use this tag unless there are significant or substantial problems with the article's neutrality as a result of the contributor's involvement." The issue here is not one of neutrality or bias - it is one of finding sources that meet WP's reliability criteria. Those issues are already flagged up in the article. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 16:56, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
While I am a frequent visitor (and financial contributor) to Wikipedia, I am not a frequent poster of articles, and therefore am unclear what is necessarily needed in respect to evidence in such circumstances. Egghead06 is correct, I have tried to amend the article on several occasions, and forgive me for daring to have more than one username, I’m sure Egghead06 only has the one username for everything in his/her life. But, with every intention of responding to the previous rejections, I simply forgot and other life pressing matters took precedence. The purpose of amending the article was, naturally, to inform those whom have an interest in my father that he has since assed away. I am not trying to “make a person dead” but to be informative of the truth.
I am very grateful for the research undertaken by you Ghmyrtle on my behalf to verify my alteration and for the good faith shown. As stated, the only evidence I can provide is a death certificate which I have, but it sounds that this may not be enough in any event. I also agree and find that Egghead06 has shown a complete lack of sensitivity and respect in this regard, and the comments are somewhat disappointing.
Thank you
Richard Allen Inspector73 ( talk) 15:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I thank you both for your advice and I will do just that. My father, despite his singing talents, was not a big star and was unlucky in other respects. Inspector73 ( talk) 17:34, 25 October 2017 (UTC)