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I noticed that in the personal life section and I quote " he has stated that he and Yolandi have known each other since childhood, but has also said they met as adults. He has stated that his father has been shot and his brother took his own life"
In the short film By Yo-Landi. "Family Picnic" You can plainly see Jones in du Toits living room when she was a young girl. So in fact they did meet when she was young not as adults. Onto Jones father, he committed suicide, because of this his brother could not deal with the pain of losing his father and took his own life also. He still has one living brother.-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 20:03, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
This is all wrong, Max Normal.tv and Max Normal are 2 different bands. Max Normal is the one mentioned in the article, but around 2007 Waddy remade Max Normal.tv where they released Good Morning South Africa just before Die Antwoord became his priority. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.244.234.228 ( talk) 15:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that The original evergreens are mentioned in the article, but there is no project area like for max normal the constructus company and Die Antwoord. I think If the original evergreens are mentioned it should have its own subject area like the others.-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 19:44, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
The Movie Tokoloshe was made in 2010. Here is a link to an article about it. www.vice.com/en_au/article/tokoloshe ...I think this movie should be added to his acting carrer, but I am not sure how to set it up so the link will work.-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 19:56, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
His name - if it's his real name - is obviously Welsh. So were his parents (or other ancestors) Welsh? 90.205.92.50 ( talk) 03:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
His last name is Tudor-Jones, I assume that his heritage would not be a real factor in an article unless say a musical mentor (parent) was of Welsh decent.-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 19:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
His real (registered in the population register) firstname is actually Waddy. I added "alternative name" in the article. Unfortunately I cannot reveal the source of this information, but I guarantee it's as close to the official source as you can get. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.210.191.54 ( talk) 18:58, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
His legal last name is Tudor-Jones. His Fathers last name was Tudor and his mothers last name is Jones. I have never read anywhere what is middle name actually is so, therefor I cant provide one. I know his last name is Tudor-Jones because his mother and brother carry the same last name, now that information I can provide, but they are links to facebook profile for the family, and I am not trying to put them out there like that. How can I go about getting that information corrected? I mean can I have a admin verify what I am say without posting the profiles of the family here?-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 19:35, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
if its unproven, which it is it can't be aowed without something that is truly verifiable. I have seen pleanty of video where he himsef announces what his full name is. I can get links to them.
He claims is Watkin Tudor-Jones. he has never said what his middle name is. and Tudor-Jones is Written as I have written it Tudor is not his middle name. His Fathers last name was Tudor, and his mothers last name Jones. Hence the Tudor-Jones.
If anyone needs this info I can provide other internet sources or videos where what I am saying can be verified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gene Zef2 ( talk • contribs) 05:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Sorry Im not sure Im doing this right. — Preceding
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I have read them, but thank you for retelling me everything everyone else already said. I was unclear after the third person told me, but now that you have pointed it out once again, I understand.
And BTW there is no section I can find that says how the coding works on this site. So could anyone inform me on what I am doing wrong, instead of just pointing out that I'm doing it wrong, I would appreciate it.
-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 19:35, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Love the infobox photo! AnonMoos ( talk) 09:22, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page not moved: no consensus after 24 days. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 08:45, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Watkin Tudor Jones → Ninja (rapper) – This artist is best known by the name Ninja. Many interviews in major magazines use Ninja exclusively. Examples using Ninja primarily or exclusively include: Rolling Stone, Vice, SPIN, and Reuters. Many other notable examples. Jokestress ( talk) 21:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
when asked if he was playing a character, Ninja said, "Ninja is, how can I say, like Superman is to Clark Kent. The only difference is, I don't take off this fokken Superman suit."
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Watkin Tudor Jones →
Ninja (South African rapper) – Per
WP:MOVES, I suggest re-opening the discussion of moving this page (previous discussion at
ARCHIVED: Requested move) to the artists' preferred and more widely known name.
Although it is true that he had numerous acts previous to Die Antwoord, and with them he had various aliases, all of that pales in comparison to the much larger impact he has had with Die Antwoord. This article needs to speak to the work that most people who come to this page know about, the reason they are here in the first place. Die Antwoord's videos garner youtube views in the tens of millions (this one alone has over 50 million views
I Fink You Freaky), they have toured the globe multiple times, and their 2014 album went number one on the US Dance chart (as well as charting in seven other countries
Die Antwoord - Studio Albums). Everything the artist did before Die Antwoord pales greatly in comparison, and should not be given equal billing. And his name should be the name he chose five years ago for working in his band Die Antwoord, namely, Ninja.
Wikipedia makes it quite clear what action to take when addressing this situation (
WP:STAGENAME), and I quote because it applies specifically to this case, "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title, even if it is not their "real" name, .... If people published under one or more pen names and/or their own name, the best known of these names is chosen." Please note, it specifically says "one or more pen names", so the artist could have a hundred different aliases, but if he is best known as Ninja, which he is, then that is the name we are obligated to choose.
Additionally, I would suggest that there be a single section in this article (or a separate article, if anyone feels that it is necessary to have separate articles for Ninja and Watkin Tudor Jones) with a more South African-centered point of view to talk about the artist's pre-Ninja work, work that most the rest of the world never knew about and, frankly, may not necessarily be interested in. There is room for that, but it shouldn't make up the lion's share of the article. I do not think people are coming to this article to be re-educated as to who the "real person" is behind Ninja, they are actually here to read something about Ninja, and there's a difference.
Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:06, 7 August 2014 (UTC) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
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17:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Which of these are aliases/pseudonyms for the artist? There is some sort of point to putting aliases in articles, like, so we can find more information about him, which is not happening on all of these. If someone had a nickname with their friends and their "band" in junior high school, I don't think we need to put it in here. I don't know if that's the case, but there's no way I can tell otherwise from this article.
I am for removing The Man Who Never Came Back, Yang Weapon, Destructo, and WAD:e unless someone can show reason for keeping them, sources would be nice, web search results, something. There's a video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv_Ra469vuo) labeled WAD:e but there doesn't actually appear to be anything in it (other than him being called "Waddy" audibly) that points to WAD:e being an alias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarcusParker ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
There is no reason to have all these completely out of context and unsourced aliases. "Waddy" in fact is short for Watkins, so saying it's an alias is like saying Bobby is an alias for Robert. - MarcusParker
These are neither unsourced nor completely out of context. He has either recorded under these names and/or referred to himself as these names in his work. - Centerone
An alias should be a name that was used to do something, like start a business, band, write a book, or a name that was used with some significance. Simply referring to yourself in a song by some name doesn't make that name an alias, or being known by a small group by a name doesn't make that name worth noting in an encyclopedic setting. What was done under that alias that makes it worth noting in an encyclopedia? MarcusParker ( talk) 22:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
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So, there have been some recent edits regarding Ninja & Yolandi's relationship both personal and working, on this as well as the related articles of Yolandi, and probably also the Die Antwoord article. I'm not sure how we should resolve this, but I figured we should discuss it. Now, let's start with the obvious: the things that Ninja and Yolandi say are frequently not trustworthy due to their commitment to character and image in regards to their art. So, we don't really know whether they are infact currently in a relationship or not, or how they define that relationship personally. (At least one fan who knows them personally and says he has housed them when they are in his city says they are not, but he's not exactly a reliable source and hasn't been able to follow or understand wikipedia editing policies.) There has also been an interview put out recently where Ninja goes on record as to Die Antwoord being no more at a certain point, yet Yolandi came out and said it wasn't true, but the people who wrote the original article put out a more detailed quote from Ninja about it. So, we have both "partner" or "former partner" in the relationship sense, as well as in the business / art / music sense. Opinions? Ideas? References? Centerone ( talk) 03:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Gene_Zef2 That's a very impressive photo you have added. Thank you for contributing your work to the Wikimedia Commons and making it freely usable. I'd be surprised if they weren't using that commercially, it's very good. Might you have a similar one for Yolandi? We could finally get rid of that mediocre photo we have on her article. BTW, it would be helpful for you to add data as to when it was shot, because people on articles frequently choose the most recent image of someone, not necessarily the best. Also, was any editing or processing done on it, in-camera or out? It looks HDR or IR or something different about it.. people might tend towards un-processed photos, but I personally like this one a lot. Thank you. Centerone ( talk) 17:21, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
^^^I will try to do the same thing for a pic of Y0Landi. but she moves so fast onstage its hard to get a pic from a video I shot. I will try though.
I took the pic from a video I shot at a concert then I had a friend of mine make it black and white then I posted it.. :) only way I could figure out around the copy write stuff.
I had to have a friend make it black and white, I hope that doent mean I cant use it.-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 17:48, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
The removed links are not about Jones directly, and both are linked from The Constructus Corporation. -- Ronz ( talk) 15:53, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Is there a place to ask about how to construct the code to make a link to something else on Wiki appear in the wiki page without inserting the link with a ref at the bottom? Not really looking for the answer here, but is there a place to ask that question on wiki?
-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 17:46, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
A certain editor, has seemingly made absolutely no effort to understand the subject, read the references, or understand any of the context. He's gone so far as to make threats and project behaviour of his own (edit warring, etc.) onto me when I'm simply reverting his mistakes and lack of understanding, and even absurd claims of a COI that don't exist in any way shape or form.
Here is the basis for the inclusion of stuffed animal making in the article, for those of you who Don't already know. Note this stuff was ALREADY referenced and cited within the article, and has been discussed numerous times; here's just some additional information. Waddy during at least one of the projects, produced commercially available limited edition Chommie Toys, and animated videos including them, at very least as part of the Oppikoppi Festival, with some sort of related projects at the time. https://www.reddit.com/r/DieAntwoord/comments/2xadd8/where_to_buy_ninja_and_yolandis_chommie_toys/ discusses the topic and includes references to an original maxnormal website, and another reference http://maxnormaltv.blogspot.com/ and can be seen in The Way Of The Dassie video, amongst others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinwIQrYr8Y
As to identity and persona, it is a key part of his artistic expression, and is seemingly well-known within South Africa. In the Kwaai Mix video you can see a number of the identity presentations of Waddy, including as MC Totally Rad who specifically makes a statement criticizing those who artificially take on American accents as part of their artistic presentation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sra9vV5FJUw In the Zef Side video, which was supposed to be at least partially an interview by a journalist that came out right after Die Antwoord broke internationally with Enter The Ninja and people were still trying to figure out who this guy was and if he was serious, it crafts and implies artificial histories and falsehoods about their families, residences, as well as perpetuates the myths by presenting a possibly completely false DJ Hi-Tek (who has been portrayed by a number of different people over time) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q77YBmtd2Rw In Max Normal Total Fuckup, he specifically discusses and details his struggle as a rapper trying to hustle and get his music out there, and his insecurities with it, as well as his reasons for and thoughts surrounding the exploration of different identity presentations and attempts at different personas. "why I rock a suit...", "maybe I should get in with the new rave scene, I'll wear space age shades... and change my name to Wad-E, wear tight little white shorts..." "Change my accent, make it more wild [?], total makeover, change my whole style.." "You are so lost in{?] make believe, you have[?] a new reality.." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pecHKtUXPy8 There are of course numerous other times where these things have been discussed or covered in his work, in interviews, in articles about him and them, including his decision to eventually rap partially in Afrikaans, but hopefully this and other previous discussions are good enough for you.
ALL of this stuff has been previously discussed here (possibly with archived discussions), dealt with with previous edits, etc. While the current text of the article, minus this editor's incorrect removals of factual and relevant information, may not be phrased in the ideal way, it is all true, referenced, and factual. If the editor has a problem with the way it is phrased perhaps he should improve the text rather than deleting it entirely. Furthermore, understanding the history and context of and diversity of his artistic expression and development is key to understanding his work. Remember, this article is not about Die Antwoord or his sole identity presentation as the tough-guy Ninja, this article is about Watkin Tudor Jones as a whole. The burden of proof should be on editors wishing to remove long-standing details and referenced and cited information, not the person simply trying to revert his incorrect edits made on false premises and a lack of understanding of the subject. Centerone ( talk) 18:45, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
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I noticed that in the personal life section and I quote " he has stated that he and Yolandi have known each other since childhood, but has also said they met as adults. He has stated that his father has been shot and his brother took his own life"
In the short film By Yo-Landi. "Family Picnic" You can plainly see Jones in du Toits living room when she was a young girl. So in fact they did meet when she was young not as adults. Onto Jones father, he committed suicide, because of this his brother could not deal with the pain of losing his father and took his own life also. He still has one living brother.-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 20:03, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
This is all wrong, Max Normal.tv and Max Normal are 2 different bands. Max Normal is the one mentioned in the article, but around 2007 Waddy remade Max Normal.tv where they released Good Morning South Africa just before Die Antwoord became his priority. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.244.234.228 ( talk) 15:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that The original evergreens are mentioned in the article, but there is no project area like for max normal the constructus company and Die Antwoord. I think If the original evergreens are mentioned it should have its own subject area like the others.-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 19:44, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
The Movie Tokoloshe was made in 2010. Here is a link to an article about it. www.vice.com/en_au/article/tokoloshe ...I think this movie should be added to his acting carrer, but I am not sure how to set it up so the link will work.-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 19:56, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
His name - if it's his real name - is obviously Welsh. So were his parents (or other ancestors) Welsh? 90.205.92.50 ( talk) 03:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
His last name is Tudor-Jones, I assume that his heritage would not be a real factor in an article unless say a musical mentor (parent) was of Welsh decent.-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 19:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
His real (registered in the population register) firstname is actually Waddy. I added "alternative name" in the article. Unfortunately I cannot reveal the source of this information, but I guarantee it's as close to the official source as you can get. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.210.191.54 ( talk) 18:58, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
His legal last name is Tudor-Jones. His Fathers last name was Tudor and his mothers last name is Jones. I have never read anywhere what is middle name actually is so, therefor I cant provide one. I know his last name is Tudor-Jones because his mother and brother carry the same last name, now that information I can provide, but they are links to facebook profile for the family, and I am not trying to put them out there like that. How can I go about getting that information corrected? I mean can I have a admin verify what I am say without posting the profiles of the family here?-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 19:35, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
if its unproven, which it is it can't be aowed without something that is truly verifiable. I have seen pleanty of video where he himsef announces what his full name is. I can get links to them.
He claims is Watkin Tudor-Jones. he has never said what his middle name is. and Tudor-Jones is Written as I have written it Tudor is not his middle name. His Fathers last name was Tudor, and his mothers last name Jones. Hence the Tudor-Jones.
If anyone needs this info I can provide other internet sources or videos where what I am saying can be verified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gene Zef2 ( talk • contribs) 05:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Sorry Im not sure Im doing this right. — Preceding
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Gene Zef2 (
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contribs)
05:47, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
I have read them, but thank you for retelling me everything everyone else already said. I was unclear after the third person told me, but now that you have pointed it out once again, I understand.
And BTW there is no section I can find that says how the coding works on this site. So could anyone inform me on what I am doing wrong, instead of just pointing out that I'm doing it wrong, I would appreciate it.
-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 19:35, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Love the infobox photo! AnonMoos ( talk) 09:22, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page not moved: no consensus after 24 days. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 08:45, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Watkin Tudor Jones → Ninja (rapper) – This artist is best known by the name Ninja. Many interviews in major magazines use Ninja exclusively. Examples using Ninja primarily or exclusively include: Rolling Stone, Vice, SPIN, and Reuters. Many other notable examples. Jokestress ( talk) 21:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
when asked if he was playing a character, Ninja said, "Ninja is, how can I say, like Superman is to Clark Kent. The only difference is, I don't take off this fokken Superman suit."
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Watkin Tudor Jones →
Ninja (South African rapper) – Per
WP:MOVES, I suggest re-opening the discussion of moving this page (previous discussion at
ARCHIVED: Requested move) to the artists' preferred and more widely known name.
Although it is true that he had numerous acts previous to Die Antwoord, and with them he had various aliases, all of that pales in comparison to the much larger impact he has had with Die Antwoord. This article needs to speak to the work that most people who come to this page know about, the reason they are here in the first place. Die Antwoord's videos garner youtube views in the tens of millions (this one alone has over 50 million views
I Fink You Freaky), they have toured the globe multiple times, and their 2014 album went number one on the US Dance chart (as well as charting in seven other countries
Die Antwoord - Studio Albums). Everything the artist did before Die Antwoord pales greatly in comparison, and should not be given equal billing. And his name should be the name he chose five years ago for working in his band Die Antwoord, namely, Ninja.
Wikipedia makes it quite clear what action to take when addressing this situation (
WP:STAGENAME), and I quote because it applies specifically to this case, "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title, even if it is not their "real" name, .... If people published under one or more pen names and/or their own name, the best known of these names is chosen." Please note, it specifically says "one or more pen names", so the artist could have a hundred different aliases, but if he is best known as Ninja, which he is, then that is the name we are obligated to choose.
Additionally, I would suggest that there be a single section in this article (or a separate article, if anyone feels that it is necessary to have separate articles for Ninja and Watkin Tudor Jones) with a more South African-centered point of view to talk about the artist's pre-Ninja work, work that most the rest of the world never knew about and, frankly, may not necessarily be interested in. There is room for that, but it shouldn't make up the lion's share of the article. I do not think people are coming to this article to be re-educated as to who the "real person" is behind Ninja, they are actually here to read something about Ninja, and there's a difference.
Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:06, 7 August 2014 (UTC) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
MarcusParker (
talk)
17:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Which of these are aliases/pseudonyms for the artist? There is some sort of point to putting aliases in articles, like, so we can find more information about him, which is not happening on all of these. If someone had a nickname with their friends and their "band" in junior high school, I don't think we need to put it in here. I don't know if that's the case, but there's no way I can tell otherwise from this article.
I am for removing The Man Who Never Came Back, Yang Weapon, Destructo, and WAD:e unless someone can show reason for keeping them, sources would be nice, web search results, something. There's a video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv_Ra469vuo) labeled WAD:e but there doesn't actually appear to be anything in it (other than him being called "Waddy" audibly) that points to WAD:e being an alias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarcusParker ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
There is no reason to have all these completely out of context and unsourced aliases. "Waddy" in fact is short for Watkins, so saying it's an alias is like saying Bobby is an alias for Robert. - MarcusParker
These are neither unsourced nor completely out of context. He has either recorded under these names and/or referred to himself as these names in his work. - Centerone
An alias should be a name that was used to do something, like start a business, band, write a book, or a name that was used with some significance. Simply referring to yourself in a song by some name doesn't make that name an alias, or being known by a small group by a name doesn't make that name worth noting in an encyclopedic setting. What was done under that alias that makes it worth noting in an encyclopedia? MarcusParker ( talk) 22:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
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So, there have been some recent edits regarding Ninja & Yolandi's relationship both personal and working, on this as well as the related articles of Yolandi, and probably also the Die Antwoord article. I'm not sure how we should resolve this, but I figured we should discuss it. Now, let's start with the obvious: the things that Ninja and Yolandi say are frequently not trustworthy due to their commitment to character and image in regards to their art. So, we don't really know whether they are infact currently in a relationship or not, or how they define that relationship personally. (At least one fan who knows them personally and says he has housed them when they are in his city says they are not, but he's not exactly a reliable source and hasn't been able to follow or understand wikipedia editing policies.) There has also been an interview put out recently where Ninja goes on record as to Die Antwoord being no more at a certain point, yet Yolandi came out and said it wasn't true, but the people who wrote the original article put out a more detailed quote from Ninja about it. So, we have both "partner" or "former partner" in the relationship sense, as well as in the business / art / music sense. Opinions? Ideas? References? Centerone ( talk) 03:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Gene_Zef2 That's a very impressive photo you have added. Thank you for contributing your work to the Wikimedia Commons and making it freely usable. I'd be surprised if they weren't using that commercially, it's very good. Might you have a similar one for Yolandi? We could finally get rid of that mediocre photo we have on her article. BTW, it would be helpful for you to add data as to when it was shot, because people on articles frequently choose the most recent image of someone, not necessarily the best. Also, was any editing or processing done on it, in-camera or out? It looks HDR or IR or something different about it.. people might tend towards un-processed photos, but I personally like this one a lot. Thank you. Centerone ( talk) 17:21, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
^^^I will try to do the same thing for a pic of Y0Landi. but she moves so fast onstage its hard to get a pic from a video I shot. I will try though.
I took the pic from a video I shot at a concert then I had a friend of mine make it black and white then I posted it.. :) only way I could figure out around the copy write stuff.
I had to have a friend make it black and white, I hope that doent mean I cant use it.-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 17:48, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
The removed links are not about Jones directly, and both are linked from The Constructus Corporation. -- Ronz ( talk) 15:53, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Is there a place to ask about how to construct the code to make a link to something else on Wiki appear in the wiki page without inserting the link with a ref at the bottom? Not really looking for the answer here, but is there a place to ask that question on wiki?
-- Gene Zef2 ( talk) 17:46, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
A certain editor, has seemingly made absolutely no effort to understand the subject, read the references, or understand any of the context. He's gone so far as to make threats and project behaviour of his own (edit warring, etc.) onto me when I'm simply reverting his mistakes and lack of understanding, and even absurd claims of a COI that don't exist in any way shape or form.
Here is the basis for the inclusion of stuffed animal making in the article, for those of you who Don't already know. Note this stuff was ALREADY referenced and cited within the article, and has been discussed numerous times; here's just some additional information. Waddy during at least one of the projects, produced commercially available limited edition Chommie Toys, and animated videos including them, at very least as part of the Oppikoppi Festival, with some sort of related projects at the time. https://www.reddit.com/r/DieAntwoord/comments/2xadd8/where_to_buy_ninja_and_yolandis_chommie_toys/ discusses the topic and includes references to an original maxnormal website, and another reference http://maxnormaltv.blogspot.com/ and can be seen in The Way Of The Dassie video, amongst others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SinwIQrYr8Y
As to identity and persona, it is a key part of his artistic expression, and is seemingly well-known within South Africa. In the Kwaai Mix video you can see a number of the identity presentations of Waddy, including as MC Totally Rad who specifically makes a statement criticizing those who artificially take on American accents as part of their artistic presentation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sra9vV5FJUw In the Zef Side video, which was supposed to be at least partially an interview by a journalist that came out right after Die Antwoord broke internationally with Enter The Ninja and people were still trying to figure out who this guy was and if he was serious, it crafts and implies artificial histories and falsehoods about their families, residences, as well as perpetuates the myths by presenting a possibly completely false DJ Hi-Tek (who has been portrayed by a number of different people over time) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q77YBmtd2Rw In Max Normal Total Fuckup, he specifically discusses and details his struggle as a rapper trying to hustle and get his music out there, and his insecurities with it, as well as his reasons for and thoughts surrounding the exploration of different identity presentations and attempts at different personas. "why I rock a suit...", "maybe I should get in with the new rave scene, I'll wear space age shades... and change my name to Wad-E, wear tight little white shorts..." "Change my accent, make it more wild [?], total makeover, change my whole style.." "You are so lost in{?] make believe, you have[?] a new reality.." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pecHKtUXPy8 There are of course numerous other times where these things have been discussed or covered in his work, in interviews, in articles about him and them, including his decision to eventually rap partially in Afrikaans, but hopefully this and other previous discussions are good enough for you.
ALL of this stuff has been previously discussed here (possibly with archived discussions), dealt with with previous edits, etc. While the current text of the article, minus this editor's incorrect removals of factual and relevant information, may not be phrased in the ideal way, it is all true, referenced, and factual. If the editor has a problem with the way it is phrased perhaps he should improve the text rather than deleting it entirely. Furthermore, understanding the history and context of and diversity of his artistic expression and development is key to understanding his work. Remember, this article is not about Die Antwoord or his sole identity presentation as the tough-guy Ninja, this article is about Watkin Tudor Jones as a whole. The burden of proof should be on editors wishing to remove long-standing details and referenced and cited information, not the person simply trying to revert his incorrect edits made on false premises and a lack of understanding of the subject. Centerone ( talk) 18:45, 12 December 2017 (UTC)