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I'm just parking this here, as it has been uncited since at least December 2015:
Aboriginal woman Iris Burgoyne has written that there is a story, in the oral history of South Australian Aboriginal people, about such a massacre at Elliston in the mid-19th century. citation needed The story Burgoyne described features details very similar to the story as recounted in written sources. Burgoyne stated she heard the story from survivors of the massacre, a claim that may suggest the massacre recounted was not the alleged massacre of 1848, as Burgoyne was only born in 1936. citation needed Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 07:13, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
This story was passed to me by my people. Their spoken words were always the truth. As young girls at Koonibba, we sat and listened to the old people like Jack Joonary, Jilgina Jack and Wombardy. They were well over a hundred. They shared many of their experiences. They told us about how they survived the Elliston massacres in about 1839 and 1849. Jack Jacobs from Franklin Harbour, old lame Paddy and Dick Dory spoke about it as well. That day they escaped death as they tricked the European horsemen and ran into the bushes. They stood and watched in horror as their people were driven off the cliffs into the sea. [...]
Not doing a formal review, but (much as I've always thought your work is terrific) this fails at drawing a NPOV balance between contested perspectives from a time in which few historical records exist. Statements such as "Some Aboriginal people from the west coast of South Australia rely on oral traditions regarding a massacre, and continue to believe that a large-scale massacre did occur" definitively take the side, in Wikipedia-voice, that it did not - when four white academics not finding official record of a massacre in a region that was at that time extremely remote from white colonial authorities is extremely weak definitive evidence that it did not.
We know that there isn't official record that it occurred. We know the oral history that it did, and what the various sources about both of these things have to that effect. The article goes far beyond this, though, and takes an opinionated editorial stance on the subject. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 05:38, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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I'm just parking this here, as it has been uncited since at least December 2015:
Aboriginal woman Iris Burgoyne has written that there is a story, in the oral history of South Australian Aboriginal people, about such a massacre at Elliston in the mid-19th century. citation needed The story Burgoyne described features details very similar to the story as recounted in written sources. Burgoyne stated she heard the story from survivors of the massacre, a claim that may suggest the massacre recounted was not the alleged massacre of 1848, as Burgoyne was only born in 1936. citation needed Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 07:13, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
This story was passed to me by my people. Their spoken words were always the truth. As young girls at Koonibba, we sat and listened to the old people like Jack Joonary, Jilgina Jack and Wombardy. They were well over a hundred. They shared many of their experiences. They told us about how they survived the Elliston massacres in about 1839 and 1849. Jack Jacobs from Franklin Harbour, old lame Paddy and Dick Dory spoke about it as well. That day they escaped death as they tricked the European horsemen and ran into the bushes. They stood and watched in horror as their people were driven off the cliffs into the sea. [...]
Not doing a formal review, but (much as I've always thought your work is terrific) this fails at drawing a NPOV balance between contested perspectives from a time in which few historical records exist. Statements such as "Some Aboriginal people from the west coast of South Australia rely on oral traditions regarding a massacre, and continue to believe that a large-scale massacre did occur" definitively take the side, in Wikipedia-voice, that it did not - when four white academics not finding official record of a massacre in a region that was at that time extremely remote from white colonial authorities is extremely weak definitive evidence that it did not.
We know that there isn't official record that it occurred. We know the oral history that it did, and what the various sources about both of these things have to that effect. The article goes far beyond this, though, and takes an opinionated editorial stance on the subject. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 05:38, 17 December 2016 (UTC)