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I'm not comfortable with the image of an unnnamed underage girl being used to illustrate an article of which she is not the subject. I'm sure there must e lots of lovely photoes of water, without needing to use images of children. Just zis Guy you know? 13:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
An advantage that the Earth picture has is that it shows all forms water takes; it shows ocean water, it shows ice in the polar icecaps, and it shows water as a gas in clouds. This makes it about the best illustration of the concept of water and the importance of water to this planet and its life that you can get. The picutre of Lake Huron that was used to replace it has all the same problems as the picture of a beach that I used in May; it's only partly water, partly sky, partly land, and does not adequately illustrate water. Moreover, it is a picure of Lake Huron, a freshwater lake and it uses the caption from the picuture of the beach, stating that a large portion of Earth's surface is covered by oceans. It is a beautiful picture, and, with a more appropriate caption could easily be incorporated into the article, but that caption does not work for that image, and I still think (and I'm sure Dschwen would agree) that the image of Earth is a better picture for the main image in this article.
In addition, I see that a gorgeous picture of a waterfall in Australia has been added further down in the article. I love that image, it is beautiful, and it should remain in the article, but Australia is not in the Middle East, and the image is under the Middle East section of the Politics of Water Distribution part of the article. It should be moved.
Over all, with those few exceptions, I think the changes that have been made in the last 24 hours are good. ONUnicorn 13:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
What sort of image should be used to illustrate an article about water? Right now the article has many excellent images in it, as it should. The main image, however, seems quite subject to change. Just in the past couple months there have been 5 different images as the top, main image. Looking through the edit history there have been a good many more at various points in time. What's the best way to illustrate water? What should be the first image people looking up "water" in Wikipedia see? Should it be a diagram of the molecule? Should it be an image showing the way people use water? Should it be a lake? Should it be the ocean? Should it have other things in the picture besides water? Since this seems to be a point of controversy and disagreement, and since Wikipedia is all about consensus, I propose a poll.
Following are a selection of images which, at various points in time, have been used as the top image. There are also a couple which, although they have never been used as the main image, are also quite good and perhaps should be considered. Some pros and cons of each image will be listed. Please sign your name using four tildes (~~~~) under the image you think best illustrates the general concept of "water", preferably adding a brief comment to explain why that image is preferred over the others. If you have an image you think better illustrates "water" than those posted here, please add it at the end and explain why.
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No image at top. (There have been places in the history of this article where there has not been any image, perhaps I should have included this option when I first designed the poll.) (Also, the article in the French Wikipedia, while it has some stunningly beautiful pictures, does not have any until well into the article.)
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Take a look at Flower. The second image down changes and runs through a series of pictures of flowers. Perhaps we could do something similar on Water; we could have a selection of images that show various aspects of Water, and the image could change.
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ONUnicorn contacted me on my talk page to ask me if I wanted to participate in the poll to pick an image to be the first, or main image on the article. I looked at the various nominated images, and as I thought about it I realized I don't think picking a "main" image is a great idea for such a broad topic. One could make arguments for a variety of different types of images, depending on what aspect of water you want to focus on. Somebody who likes boating or sailing might want a boat image to be the first one; a swimmer might want a pool image or photo of somebody swimming; a nature photographer might want a sunset over water image or a waterfall. All of these and many others are valid choices, I think -- but in the end, this is a living document. You might reach a consensus today only to find a promising new image tomorrow or next week or next month and be back in the same boat again (excuse the pun). So I'm going to abstain from voting.
To be honest, I think there are too many images sprinkled through the article. I debated for a couple weeks about whether to add my image to it, since that would only add to the clutter. However I think it complements the sections on color and solvation nicely, so I added it. Maybe instead of deciding which image should be the top image, we could trim some of the images out of the main article (place them in a gallery section, maybe?) and then tie the remaining images to the article sections they best match with. -- moondigger 20:15, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I uploaded this image as an example for what the above users have suggested. I would like feedback as to which images to include, how long each image should appear (in milliseconds), etc., before putting this on the water page. -- Muéro 22:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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I'm not comfortable with the image of an unnnamed underage girl being used to illustrate an article of which she is not the subject. I'm sure there must e lots of lovely photoes of water, without needing to use images of children. Just zis Guy you know? 13:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
An advantage that the Earth picture has is that it shows all forms water takes; it shows ocean water, it shows ice in the polar icecaps, and it shows water as a gas in clouds. This makes it about the best illustration of the concept of water and the importance of water to this planet and its life that you can get. The picutre of Lake Huron that was used to replace it has all the same problems as the picture of a beach that I used in May; it's only partly water, partly sky, partly land, and does not adequately illustrate water. Moreover, it is a picure of Lake Huron, a freshwater lake and it uses the caption from the picuture of the beach, stating that a large portion of Earth's surface is covered by oceans. It is a beautiful picture, and, with a more appropriate caption could easily be incorporated into the article, but that caption does not work for that image, and I still think (and I'm sure Dschwen would agree) that the image of Earth is a better picture for the main image in this article.
In addition, I see that a gorgeous picture of a waterfall in Australia has been added further down in the article. I love that image, it is beautiful, and it should remain in the article, but Australia is not in the Middle East, and the image is under the Middle East section of the Politics of Water Distribution part of the article. It should be moved.
Over all, with those few exceptions, I think the changes that have been made in the last 24 hours are good. ONUnicorn 13:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
What sort of image should be used to illustrate an article about water? Right now the article has many excellent images in it, as it should. The main image, however, seems quite subject to change. Just in the past couple months there have been 5 different images as the top, main image. Looking through the edit history there have been a good many more at various points in time. What's the best way to illustrate water? What should be the first image people looking up "water" in Wikipedia see? Should it be a diagram of the molecule? Should it be an image showing the way people use water? Should it be a lake? Should it be the ocean? Should it have other things in the picture besides water? Since this seems to be a point of controversy and disagreement, and since Wikipedia is all about consensus, I propose a poll.
Following are a selection of images which, at various points in time, have been used as the top image. There are also a couple which, although they have never been used as the main image, are also quite good and perhaps should be considered. Some pros and cons of each image will be listed. Please sign your name using four tildes (~~~~) under the image you think best illustrates the general concept of "water", preferably adding a brief comment to explain why that image is preferred over the others. If you have an image you think better illustrates "water" than those posted here, please add it at the end and explain why.
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No image at top. (There have been places in the history of this article where there has not been any image, perhaps I should have included this option when I first designed the poll.) (Also, the article in the French Wikipedia, while it has some stunningly beautiful pictures, does not have any until well into the article.)
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Take a look at Flower. The second image down changes and runs through a series of pictures of flowers. Perhaps we could do something similar on Water; we could have a selection of images that show various aspects of Water, and the image could change.
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ONUnicorn contacted me on my talk page to ask me if I wanted to participate in the poll to pick an image to be the first, or main image on the article. I looked at the various nominated images, and as I thought about it I realized I don't think picking a "main" image is a great idea for such a broad topic. One could make arguments for a variety of different types of images, depending on what aspect of water you want to focus on. Somebody who likes boating or sailing might want a boat image to be the first one; a swimmer might want a pool image or photo of somebody swimming; a nature photographer might want a sunset over water image or a waterfall. All of these and many others are valid choices, I think -- but in the end, this is a living document. You might reach a consensus today only to find a promising new image tomorrow or next week or next month and be back in the same boat again (excuse the pun). So I'm going to abstain from voting.
To be honest, I think there are too many images sprinkled through the article. I debated for a couple weeks about whether to add my image to it, since that would only add to the clutter. However I think it complements the sections on color and solvation nicely, so I added it. Maybe instead of deciding which image should be the top image, we could trim some of the images out of the main article (place them in a gallery section, maybe?) and then tie the remaining images to the article sections they best match with. -- moondigger 20:15, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I uploaded this image as an example for what the above users have suggested. I would like feedback as to which images to include, how long each image should appear (in milliseconds), etc., before putting this on the water page. -- Muéro 22:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)