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In which part of the world do you percieve any difference between the terms incineration and waste-to-energy? I am working professionally with such plants, and I feel that it would be the same to have two articles:
automobile - A slow noisy and rather polluting vehicle with a single stroke engine and a low comfort level. Still popular in some low income countries.
car - Similar use as an automobile, but much more sophisticated. The highly efficient (and often computer controlled) engine of a car provides superior emission control and fuel efficiency compared to automobiles.
Why do we have these separate articles for "outdated" and "contemporary" incinerator types???
-- Claush66 15:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The reason to have two separate articles is that opponents of waste-to-energy in the US try to conjure up images of old, polluting incinerators. Incinerators in the US did not recover energy and had little, if any, emissions controls. Often all they did was reduce the volume somewhat. Having grown up only a mile from one of these town incinerators, I know full well how bad they were. Often the "ash" was still smoldering when they dumped it in the adjacent town dump, which son caught fire from the hot ashes.
Rather than an automobile and a car, I'd say a more appropriate analogy would be a car and a hybrid car.
EnergyUSA 01:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I am aware of the reputation inherited from the old incinerators. Since my posting above, I have been educated that the proper way to use the two terms is like this:
Incineration (with energy recovery) is one of several waste-to-energy technologies.
I have since edited both articles to reflect this. The incineration article now generally covers todays incinerators with a brief mention of the monsters built in some countries until some centuries ago. I hope you can agree to this change.
-- Claus Hindsgaul 06:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
This section is POV because it implies that biomass is somehow different from other waste. It needs to be fixed or deleted. TeH nOmInAtOr ( talk) 23:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Please refer to the section preceeding your POV-tag for an explanation of excactly why biomass is considered different from other waste. I assume that you missed to read this, and I have deleted your tag. -- Claus Hindsgaul ( talk) 06:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
And why delete the link to the diagrams of how they work. Pinellas county really has this and it is as valid as the other plants, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.14.51 ( talk) 02:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, may i know how to produce electricity from garbages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.124.89.97 ( talk) 13:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
In the Intro you state that: Waste-to-energy (WtE) or energy-from-waste (EfW) is the process of creating energy in the form of electricity or heat from the incineration of waste source.
It would be more correct to say that: Waste-to-energy (WtE) or energy-from-waste (EfW) is the process of transforming the energy contained in a waste source into electricity or heat.
Similarly, you state that: Most WtE processes produce electricity directly through combustion, or produce a combustible fuel commodity, such as methane, methanol, ethanol or synthetic fuels.
It would be more correct to say that: Most WtE processes combust the waste source directly, or produce a combustible fuel commodity, such as methane, methanol, ethanol or synthetic fuels. Different methods are then applied to transform the released energy into electricity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.203.109.254 ( talk) 12:41, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Besides large plants, domestic waste-to-energy incinerators also exist. For example, the refuge de Sarenne has a domestic waste-to-energy plant. It is made by combining a wood-fired gasification boiler with a Stirling motor. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.91.212 ( talk) 10:59, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
References
In this article is stated that ...and may even exceed 100% when equipped with flue gas condensation.[8]
I call bullshit on this, as by fundamental laws of physics, there can be no efficiency not even equal to 100%, let alone more than that. Are we saying we are able to produce energy our of nothing? Plus, the reference given is an advertising presentation made by the company who produces such plants, I don't think it's a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.91.1.106 ( talk) 14:09, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
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Waste-to-energy article is very well organized and contains a good amount of references from reliable sources. The article has very informative sections of methods and history, and links all of the examples of waste-to-energy plants to further reading pages. Overall the article is very well put together and edited, with neutral information and remains successfully un-opinionated. More information on the history could be added from other reliable sources. Aborkowski45 ( talk) 20:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
At the end of the 'History' section this paragraph:
"Gasification and pyrolysis processes have been known and used for centuries and for coal as early as the 18th century.... Development technologies for processing [residual solid mixed waste] has only become a focus of attention in recent years stimulated by the search for more efficient energy recovery. (2004) [6]"
is formatted as if it was a direct citation (i.e. a copy-and-paste-paragraph), but no source is mentioned IN the text and there also are no quotation marks
((here in the talk page I put the complete paragraph into quotation marks (in the text, IN THE CASE THAT it was a direct citation the last one should be directly after 'recovery.': "Gasification (...) recovery.").))
– so did this formatting happen accidentally and the text is really meant as plain article text, so the formatting should be changed to normal, or are clear citation-markers and -sources-information missing in the text? 2A02:3032:5:D393:1:1:6D22:51CD ( talk) 11:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
It's a copy of the one in the incineration article, or the other way around. Not sure what the policy is on that, but it is inefficient; the two sections already slightly drifted, both having added value added since their common ancestor. WanderingQuill ( talk) 07:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 12:42, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
In which part of the world do you percieve any difference between the terms incineration and waste-to-energy? I am working professionally with such plants, and I feel that it would be the same to have two articles:
automobile - A slow noisy and rather polluting vehicle with a single stroke engine and a low comfort level. Still popular in some low income countries.
car - Similar use as an automobile, but much more sophisticated. The highly efficient (and often computer controlled) engine of a car provides superior emission control and fuel efficiency compared to automobiles.
Why do we have these separate articles for "outdated" and "contemporary" incinerator types???
-- Claush66 15:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The reason to have two separate articles is that opponents of waste-to-energy in the US try to conjure up images of old, polluting incinerators. Incinerators in the US did not recover energy and had little, if any, emissions controls. Often all they did was reduce the volume somewhat. Having grown up only a mile from one of these town incinerators, I know full well how bad they were. Often the "ash" was still smoldering when they dumped it in the adjacent town dump, which son caught fire from the hot ashes.
Rather than an automobile and a car, I'd say a more appropriate analogy would be a car and a hybrid car.
EnergyUSA 01:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I am aware of the reputation inherited from the old incinerators. Since my posting above, I have been educated that the proper way to use the two terms is like this:
Incineration (with energy recovery) is one of several waste-to-energy technologies.
I have since edited both articles to reflect this. The incineration article now generally covers todays incinerators with a brief mention of the monsters built in some countries until some centuries ago. I hope you can agree to this change.
-- Claus Hindsgaul 06:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
This section is POV because it implies that biomass is somehow different from other waste. It needs to be fixed or deleted. TeH nOmInAtOr ( talk) 23:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Please refer to the section preceeding your POV-tag for an explanation of excactly why biomass is considered different from other waste. I assume that you missed to read this, and I have deleted your tag. -- Claus Hindsgaul ( talk) 06:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
And why delete the link to the diagrams of how they work. Pinellas county really has this and it is as valid as the other plants, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.14.51 ( talk) 02:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, may i know how to produce electricity from garbages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.124.89.97 ( talk) 13:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
In the Intro you state that: Waste-to-energy (WtE) or energy-from-waste (EfW) is the process of creating energy in the form of electricity or heat from the incineration of waste source.
It would be more correct to say that: Waste-to-energy (WtE) or energy-from-waste (EfW) is the process of transforming the energy contained in a waste source into electricity or heat.
Similarly, you state that: Most WtE processes produce electricity directly through combustion, or produce a combustible fuel commodity, such as methane, methanol, ethanol or synthetic fuels.
It would be more correct to say that: Most WtE processes combust the waste source directly, or produce a combustible fuel commodity, such as methane, methanol, ethanol or synthetic fuels. Different methods are then applied to transform the released energy into electricity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.203.109.254 ( talk) 12:41, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Besides large plants, domestic waste-to-energy incinerators also exist. For example, the refuge de Sarenne has a domestic waste-to-energy plant. It is made by combining a wood-fired gasification boiler with a Stirling motor. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.91.212 ( talk) 10:59, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
References
In this article is stated that ...and may even exceed 100% when equipped with flue gas condensation.[8]
I call bullshit on this, as by fundamental laws of physics, there can be no efficiency not even equal to 100%, let alone more than that. Are we saying we are able to produce energy our of nothing? Plus, the reference given is an advertising presentation made by the company who produces such plants, I don't think it's a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.91.1.106 ( talk) 14:09, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
-- Wcoole ( talk) 21:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Claus Hindsgaul ( talk) 08:51, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
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Waste-to-energy article is very well organized and contains a good amount of references from reliable sources. The article has very informative sections of methods and history, and links all of the examples of waste-to-energy plants to further reading pages. Overall the article is very well put together and edited, with neutral information and remains successfully un-opinionated. More information on the history could be added from other reliable sources. Aborkowski45 ( talk) 20:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
At the end of the 'History' section this paragraph:
"Gasification and pyrolysis processes have been known and used for centuries and for coal as early as the 18th century.... Development technologies for processing [residual solid mixed waste] has only become a focus of attention in recent years stimulated by the search for more efficient energy recovery. (2004) [6]"
is formatted as if it was a direct citation (i.e. a copy-and-paste-paragraph), but no source is mentioned IN the text and there also are no quotation marks
((here in the talk page I put the complete paragraph into quotation marks (in the text, IN THE CASE THAT it was a direct citation the last one should be directly after 'recovery.': "Gasification (...) recovery.").))
– so did this formatting happen accidentally and the text is really meant as plain article text, so the formatting should be changed to normal, or are clear citation-markers and -sources-information missing in the text? 2A02:3032:5:D393:1:1:6D22:51CD ( talk) 11:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
It's a copy of the one in the incineration article, or the other way around. Not sure what the policy is on that, but it is inefficient; the two sections already slightly drifted, both having added value added since their common ancestor. WanderingQuill ( talk) 07:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)