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what criteria makes some alumni more important than others? either put none or all on the front page. WillC 21:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible, now that most of the discussion is over and terms are reached for further editing are clarified, that we can delete some of this mess? D-Hell-pers 05:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Ths issue concerning the fraternities is simple- both the 'Phi Delts' and 'KAs' were found guilty of hazing ... they admitted to it (Spring 2005)! The following Fall, a bunch of guys came together and decided to make another fraternity, the current colony and soon to be chartered Kappa Sigma. Reasons for making this group vary, however, the general consensus was to make a group that did not view hazing as a ritualistic pledging process and to actually follow the fraternities guidelines (something the other male fraternities on campus should learn to do). Pledges from both the Phi Delts as well as the KAs that turned their back on the fraternities for their lies and unfulfilled obligations to the members made this group for fun, ACADEMICS and community workship, not just parties and hazing opportunities.
Documentation is provided for the NON-BIASED correction made on the article about the male fraternities, with cited information proved. If you can find other material stating otherwise, by all means please correct the information provided. Until that time, leave your biased opinion off of this article and take your business elsewhere. D-Hell-pers 18:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
one thing you forget in all of this....it actually happened. don't sugar coat it. WillC 21:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Please consider this a final and only warning in regards to our three revert rule for all parties. I have temporarily protected the page to avoid having to block individual users - that makes dispute resolution much more difficult. I'm looking through the edit history now to familiarize myself with the dispute. Kuru talk 18:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
As was posted on Kuru's talk page, I have done research into this matter. That includes reading all college articles during the time frame in question. Furthermore, I have contacted the editor-in-chief of the college newspaper. She said I was the second person today contacting her regarding this. She received an email from a suspicious hotmail account earlier today, claiming to be the administrator of wikipedia. They asked for the release of all newspapers, especially ones pertaining to Kappa Alpha Order and hazing. As she informed me, there are no, and have never been any, articles pertaining to that subject. Furthermore, all college newspapers are posted online already.
Knowing this, how can we go about preventing people from spreading unfounded biases in the future? Natural22 01:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
http://elm.washcoll.edu/past/076/17/76_17_2005.pdf
Please refer to the link above, page 6 of issue 17 (2005). Read Article "Letter to the Editor- Writer's Response to Reporting of Alleged Phi Delta Theta Hazing Incident" in full. Note the writer's mention of the article's previous title of article in issue 16, as well as the follow-up in 18.
Simply just ask for article 16 & 18. As shown above, article 17 refers to an article about the Phi Delta Theta hazing, and how a person's response may have been 'altered' for the articles use. Page 6 of issue 17, 2004-2005, mentions a letter to the editor "Writers response to reporting of alleged phi delta theta hazing incident." The article was called “Did the Phi Delts Revamp Their Pledge Process?" Further reading of this article, about the 5th paragraph, writer notes that her original title for the article was called "Brothers With a Conscience: Phi Delta Revamp Pledge Process." Editor's Note on 17's article even states (at the end) Please check out the NEXT issue (missing 18) for the follow-up artcile on the hazing incident.
For those who can not break this down, i'll try an upfront summed approach: issue 16 has not been placed on the online database + article 17 making mention of issue 16's article (noted above) = article exists. Issue 17 mentions a third follow-up article in Issue 18 + Missing 18 = another article exists, just not posted on database. We are just having trouble retrieving both. So, why in the world would a fraternity (kicked out of housing) need to 're-vamp' it's pledging process? Was there a problem with a fraternity's pledging process, and if so what could it be? Simple Kappa Alpha + Phi Delts HAZED their pledges, in what was referred to as a 'ritualistic' induction.
The issue posted, however, should be enough to prove, at least, that Phi Delta Theta was in trouble for hazing, coincidentally at the same time they lost their housing. Point proven. When these 2 issues can be retrieved, I am sure I'll prove the Kappa Alpha incident as well. So please Natural, if you are so "connected" ... obtain the articles and have them displayed online so we can all get over this war and prove the actually FACTS of this matter D-Hell-pers 01:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
(de-indent) Yup, sorry, I mis-read you. Yes, the editor putting he newspapers online is great. Kuru talk 02:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
(de-indent) Forgive me for stating the obvious, but the word 'hazing' is the entire sticking point of this discussion. Why in the world would you put forth a proposal with the word in there when you have not been able to support it? I'm going to have to assume you are simply not reading this discussion or the links to the policies. Is there any other question I can answer for you about verifiability or original research before I unlock the page? Kuru talk 03:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The person I contacted from the college who is in contact with the editor says that she (the editor) will be looking into it tonight/friday night to see what she can do. So I must ask that the protection remain for it's full (3) day extent. D-Hell-pers 15:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
So I got my hands on Issue 18 of 2005 (the issue of 'non-existence' and the one that probably will solve of all these citation problems of the fraternal hazing).
Quick citations from the article:
"The ELM received a story stating that the fraternity had already admitted to previous hazing practices in an amnesty program developed by the National Headquarters and have been given a "clean slate for being for being honest."
"[Province Representatives] had the current job of discuss[ing] the issues with hazing, and to help develop a new program for New Members."
"[Brothers of the Chapter] admit that [they] made a mistake..."
"[the current Brothers] were honest about the hazing, and were working on preventing it from happening again."
The article clearly states they were busted for a specific campus policy violation ... HAZING! The article is (2) pages long describing that the brothers were honest in fessing up to their hazing activities (although we will never know how much they truly admitted) - were punished - had help from 'district' leaders to make things better - were at the time developing new Pledging Programs - and believed they could be trusted because they were truthful in owning up to their hazing rituals.
For all editors who appose reverting the revision back to the TRUTH, please state your business here. After several days, the revision WILL be made unless discrepancies can be made & cited. WaC05 20:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Yo I must admit, watching this article for the past several months has been some funny shit. What's even funnier is that for months people have been content arguers on the fact that the hazing didn't happen, that the proof was made up and didn't exist ... now the issues have been documented and these so called truth experts and editors fall silent. I guess it just goes to show you that this is the reason why Wiki can't achieve a greater level that it should be- because of the morons that lie, vandalize and all around fight the truth, just because it suits them. 134.192.191.132 14:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I have contacted Kuru to once again mediate this matter. There are still no reliable sources or citations to warrant a reversion of this article.
Additionally, after repeated vandalism of my discussion page, I took the effort to trace IPs, and run a thorough WHOIS of all parties involved not only with vandalizing my talk page, but pushing to edit this page. Ironically, they all come from the same Baltimore MD Comcast address.
Guesstimating that this could be (and probably is) the work of a single individual posting under multiple wiki accounts to try and give the illusion of consensus, I contacted Comcast to discuss their policy on online harassment from one of their customers. Not only can it result in loss of internet service, but they will additionally help the plaintiff file charges with the FBI's Cyber Crimes Task Force.
While something this insignificant probably would only result in loss of internet service, let it be known, that if I am harassed anymore over this, I can and will provide Comcast with your information. I have saved all of this information, and you've left a horribly long trail here on wiki, that leads all the way back to your posts on Kappa Alpha Order's discussion page.
With that said, keep it clean here. Play by the rules, and I will not pursue action with your Internet Service Provider, Mr. Baltimore Comcast user.
Natural22 06:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Natural22,
What you have failed to realize is that a discussion was open well over a week ago about this matter (please refer to "Yo I Got It"). One of your "phantom" articles has emerged finally. If you would take the time to refer to the references section of the WaC article, you would see that the first (2) articles are referenced as well as the new third (that is why I placed those blue boxed with numbers in them ... for you to refer to references).
As for availability, you are right ... it is not posted online. This does not mean I do not possess it. As mentioned well above in the discussion page by El Kevbo (and on Kuru's webpage):
There was no argument about the validity of a reference as long as a reference was obtained.
Back to the discussion of what the article mentions. There were quotes documented up above. Unlike the previous (2) articles, hazing is mentioned up-and-down the article: what happened - who was involved - what was done about it. Take the time to refer back up this discussion for the argument.
Because clarifications have been made of "what happened" and "what was done about it," the revision can clearly stay as it is the truth of the matter. D-Hell-pers 07:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
With the addition of some more references, now totalling (4), the fraternity issue can now be placed to rest. The proper, and final, revision has been made. D-Hell-pers 06:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
The whole hazing issue isn't really an issue any longer. No one cares. I would like to see it removed from this page. And KS wasn't formed as a result of the hazing incidents, it was simply the wish of a sector of the student body to form another fraternity.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.243.43.185 ( talk • contribs) 22:45, May 7, 2007
I agree that it still holds some relevance, as hazing incidents continue to occur. However, who ever is in the new chapter of KS needs to watch out that they dont use the page as a repository for chapter history, as the national organization is notable, not the individual chapters. If one does say that KS was formed in response to the hazing incidents, you have to qualify how it was formed in response to the incident, not just state it and leave it. Samwisep86 07:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
For those "editors" who wish to delete selected sections of this entry, please note in archives the 3/4-month long debate over this topic as well as the fact that the current entry is supported by Wikipedia, overseeing admin and other users. Instead of just removing this section, use the discussion page to bring forth your ideas of why you wish to edit it instead of just deleting randomly when you please. D-Hell-pers 03:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
what criteria makes some alumni more important than others? either put none or all on the front page. WillC 21:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible, now that most of the discussion is over and terms are reached for further editing are clarified, that we can delete some of this mess? D-Hell-pers 05:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Ths issue concerning the fraternities is simple- both the 'Phi Delts' and 'KAs' were found guilty of hazing ... they admitted to it (Spring 2005)! The following Fall, a bunch of guys came together and decided to make another fraternity, the current colony and soon to be chartered Kappa Sigma. Reasons for making this group vary, however, the general consensus was to make a group that did not view hazing as a ritualistic pledging process and to actually follow the fraternities guidelines (something the other male fraternities on campus should learn to do). Pledges from both the Phi Delts as well as the KAs that turned their back on the fraternities for their lies and unfulfilled obligations to the members made this group for fun, ACADEMICS and community workship, not just parties and hazing opportunities.
Documentation is provided for the NON-BIASED correction made on the article about the male fraternities, with cited information proved. If you can find other material stating otherwise, by all means please correct the information provided. Until that time, leave your biased opinion off of this article and take your business elsewhere. D-Hell-pers 18:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
one thing you forget in all of this....it actually happened. don't sugar coat it. WillC 21:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Please consider this a final and only warning in regards to our three revert rule for all parties. I have temporarily protected the page to avoid having to block individual users - that makes dispute resolution much more difficult. I'm looking through the edit history now to familiarize myself with the dispute. Kuru talk 18:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
As was posted on Kuru's talk page, I have done research into this matter. That includes reading all college articles during the time frame in question. Furthermore, I have contacted the editor-in-chief of the college newspaper. She said I was the second person today contacting her regarding this. She received an email from a suspicious hotmail account earlier today, claiming to be the administrator of wikipedia. They asked for the release of all newspapers, especially ones pertaining to Kappa Alpha Order and hazing. As she informed me, there are no, and have never been any, articles pertaining to that subject. Furthermore, all college newspapers are posted online already.
Knowing this, how can we go about preventing people from spreading unfounded biases in the future? Natural22 01:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
http://elm.washcoll.edu/past/076/17/76_17_2005.pdf
Please refer to the link above, page 6 of issue 17 (2005). Read Article "Letter to the Editor- Writer's Response to Reporting of Alleged Phi Delta Theta Hazing Incident" in full. Note the writer's mention of the article's previous title of article in issue 16, as well as the follow-up in 18.
Simply just ask for article 16 & 18. As shown above, article 17 refers to an article about the Phi Delta Theta hazing, and how a person's response may have been 'altered' for the articles use. Page 6 of issue 17, 2004-2005, mentions a letter to the editor "Writers response to reporting of alleged phi delta theta hazing incident." The article was called “Did the Phi Delts Revamp Their Pledge Process?" Further reading of this article, about the 5th paragraph, writer notes that her original title for the article was called "Brothers With a Conscience: Phi Delta Revamp Pledge Process." Editor's Note on 17's article even states (at the end) Please check out the NEXT issue (missing 18) for the follow-up artcile on the hazing incident.
For those who can not break this down, i'll try an upfront summed approach: issue 16 has not been placed on the online database + article 17 making mention of issue 16's article (noted above) = article exists. Issue 17 mentions a third follow-up article in Issue 18 + Missing 18 = another article exists, just not posted on database. We are just having trouble retrieving both. So, why in the world would a fraternity (kicked out of housing) need to 're-vamp' it's pledging process? Was there a problem with a fraternity's pledging process, and if so what could it be? Simple Kappa Alpha + Phi Delts HAZED their pledges, in what was referred to as a 'ritualistic' induction.
The issue posted, however, should be enough to prove, at least, that Phi Delta Theta was in trouble for hazing, coincidentally at the same time they lost their housing. Point proven. When these 2 issues can be retrieved, I am sure I'll prove the Kappa Alpha incident as well. So please Natural, if you are so "connected" ... obtain the articles and have them displayed online so we can all get over this war and prove the actually FACTS of this matter D-Hell-pers 01:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
(de-indent) Yup, sorry, I mis-read you. Yes, the editor putting he newspapers online is great. Kuru talk 02:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
(de-indent) Forgive me for stating the obvious, but the word 'hazing' is the entire sticking point of this discussion. Why in the world would you put forth a proposal with the word in there when you have not been able to support it? I'm going to have to assume you are simply not reading this discussion or the links to the policies. Is there any other question I can answer for you about verifiability or original research before I unlock the page? Kuru talk 03:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The person I contacted from the college who is in contact with the editor says that she (the editor) will be looking into it tonight/friday night to see what she can do. So I must ask that the protection remain for it's full (3) day extent. D-Hell-pers 15:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
So I got my hands on Issue 18 of 2005 (the issue of 'non-existence' and the one that probably will solve of all these citation problems of the fraternal hazing).
Quick citations from the article:
"The ELM received a story stating that the fraternity had already admitted to previous hazing practices in an amnesty program developed by the National Headquarters and have been given a "clean slate for being for being honest."
"[Province Representatives] had the current job of discuss[ing] the issues with hazing, and to help develop a new program for New Members."
"[Brothers of the Chapter] admit that [they] made a mistake..."
"[the current Brothers] were honest about the hazing, and were working on preventing it from happening again."
The article clearly states they were busted for a specific campus policy violation ... HAZING! The article is (2) pages long describing that the brothers were honest in fessing up to their hazing activities (although we will never know how much they truly admitted) - were punished - had help from 'district' leaders to make things better - were at the time developing new Pledging Programs - and believed they could be trusted because they were truthful in owning up to their hazing rituals.
For all editors who appose reverting the revision back to the TRUTH, please state your business here. After several days, the revision WILL be made unless discrepancies can be made & cited. WaC05 20:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Yo I must admit, watching this article for the past several months has been some funny shit. What's even funnier is that for months people have been content arguers on the fact that the hazing didn't happen, that the proof was made up and didn't exist ... now the issues have been documented and these so called truth experts and editors fall silent. I guess it just goes to show you that this is the reason why Wiki can't achieve a greater level that it should be- because of the morons that lie, vandalize and all around fight the truth, just because it suits them. 134.192.191.132 14:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I have contacted Kuru to once again mediate this matter. There are still no reliable sources or citations to warrant a reversion of this article.
Additionally, after repeated vandalism of my discussion page, I took the effort to trace IPs, and run a thorough WHOIS of all parties involved not only with vandalizing my talk page, but pushing to edit this page. Ironically, they all come from the same Baltimore MD Comcast address.
Guesstimating that this could be (and probably is) the work of a single individual posting under multiple wiki accounts to try and give the illusion of consensus, I contacted Comcast to discuss their policy on online harassment from one of their customers. Not only can it result in loss of internet service, but they will additionally help the plaintiff file charges with the FBI's Cyber Crimes Task Force.
While something this insignificant probably would only result in loss of internet service, let it be known, that if I am harassed anymore over this, I can and will provide Comcast with your information. I have saved all of this information, and you've left a horribly long trail here on wiki, that leads all the way back to your posts on Kappa Alpha Order's discussion page.
With that said, keep it clean here. Play by the rules, and I will not pursue action with your Internet Service Provider, Mr. Baltimore Comcast user.
Natural22 06:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Natural22,
What you have failed to realize is that a discussion was open well over a week ago about this matter (please refer to "Yo I Got It"). One of your "phantom" articles has emerged finally. If you would take the time to refer to the references section of the WaC article, you would see that the first (2) articles are referenced as well as the new third (that is why I placed those blue boxed with numbers in them ... for you to refer to references).
As for availability, you are right ... it is not posted online. This does not mean I do not possess it. As mentioned well above in the discussion page by El Kevbo (and on Kuru's webpage):
There was no argument about the validity of a reference as long as a reference was obtained.
Back to the discussion of what the article mentions. There were quotes documented up above. Unlike the previous (2) articles, hazing is mentioned up-and-down the article: what happened - who was involved - what was done about it. Take the time to refer back up this discussion for the argument.
Because clarifications have been made of "what happened" and "what was done about it," the revision can clearly stay as it is the truth of the matter. D-Hell-pers 07:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
With the addition of some more references, now totalling (4), the fraternity issue can now be placed to rest. The proper, and final, revision has been made. D-Hell-pers 06:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
The whole hazing issue isn't really an issue any longer. No one cares. I would like to see it removed from this page. And KS wasn't formed as a result of the hazing incidents, it was simply the wish of a sector of the student body to form another fraternity.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.243.43.185 ( talk • contribs) 22:45, May 7, 2007
I agree that it still holds some relevance, as hazing incidents continue to occur. However, who ever is in the new chapter of KS needs to watch out that they dont use the page as a repository for chapter history, as the national organization is notable, not the individual chapters. If one does say that KS was formed in response to the hazing incidents, you have to qualify how it was formed in response to the incident, not just state it and leave it. Samwisep86 07:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
For those "editors" who wish to delete selected sections of this entry, please note in archives the 3/4-month long debate over this topic as well as the fact that the current entry is supported by Wikipedia, overseeing admin and other users. Instead of just removing this section, use the discussion page to bring forth your ideas of why you wish to edit it instead of just deleting randomly when you please. D-Hell-pers 03:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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