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The intro to this article just plain sucks.
"Members of this scene are often unaware that the expression "the scene" is also used by members of other social groups to describe their community(who cares about this statement?), for example in the arts or music or literature(should be "for example, in the arts, music or literature) . This use of the expression "the scene" has been in continual use in English for a long time before software even existed("...long before software existed" might work, but again, what is the point of this statement?) . Members of a social group know what "the scene"(the Scene or The Scene, but quotations aren't useful). refers to, and most members of the software community use it to refer to all the software-related communities listed above. In the rest of this article "the scene" means the software scene(no shit.)."
I really think this needs to be rewritten. Not only does it go off into pointless directions, but it sounds like it's written by a kid. I don't want to rewrite it because I'm not familiar enough with the material, but I would hope someone well informed could do better.
I just had an idea... why don't we incorporate into this article a list of various sets of scene rules? For example, we could have different headings, SVCD, VCD, Software, 0-day etc and give some of the rules, where rule is defined as something that must be followed to avoid nuking. For example...
This whole article (including this talk section) is so full of misinformation that it is hard to know where to begin. Maybe the only real way to learn is to be a part of the scene. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
90.134.34.208 (
talk)
10:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
SVCD Scene Rules
- Movies must be in BIN/CUE format
- BIN/CUEs should be packed in 15MB RARs
- Valid resolutions are 480x480 NTSC or 480x576 PAL
- Bitrate must be minimum 2250.
and so on...
68.239.174.81
22:45, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
In the same way users constantly tried to cover up OiNK.cd's existence on wikipedia, we see it here. Misinformation, as another user put it, is prevalent and is sickening. Also, one of the most popular interests is the scene in music and pre-releases. This article skirts around every mention. I know people love the scene, and everything it provides, but wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and this IS supposed to be informative. I suggest a dialogue about this article. I realize, in the same way acquaintances of mine dealt with AfD's fot shot down and hit the news stands, I would be fighting an uphill battle in editing this page heavily without conversation first. Please discuss and offer opinions.
66.71.40.153 ( talk) 21:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The Scene as described here is narrowly defined, right? I'd see other scenes that would name themselves like this, the gay scene, the art and scupltures scene, whatever, and whatnot. Am I misunderstanding the stuff to be described here? Or would a {{disambiguation}} tag do? :confused: -- Vintagesound 11:16, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
I completely agree, this should be a disambiguation page. Almost every scene (local music scenes, clubbing scene, graffiti scene, etc) calls itself "The Scene", and it is typical for wikipedia to be skewed towards computer-related subjects. 86.80.147.155 21:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
If they ban anyone who leaks a release why does every single tvshow/film/album/software, that anyone cares about, make it to regular P2P networks? Surely all leakers would have been banned by now? Maybe someone can clear this up. -- 84.67.30.155 15:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
it is supposed to be punished but no one seems to care these days, most top torrent sites are usually on the same box as a topsite which is why you get pre to torrent times of less than 10. 94.168.194.94 ( talk) 20:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Can someone write a little about the philosophy of the scene? For example, what is the point of piracy if it is not (in theory) supposed to get out to the public? Private use by members of the scene? Could someone please clarify this sort of thing and/or drop me a note on my talk page, please? NeoThe1 05:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Why do these bright kids risk 5-15 years in prison? Do they make money or something? They risk their lives just so they can see a movie a few months before everyone else? ( Narkstraws 07:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
Morals is certainly not the reason its done. The scene is all about the race and showing off skills, and sharing with the rest of the sceners and nothing else. Some generalizing isnt a good idea, a lot of people in the scene do make money out of it.
Here is an external link with a lot of info about the scene.. maybe it can be added to external links: http://www.aboutthescene.com/
Correction Contrary to popular belief The Scene does distribute to p2p networks should be "Contrary to popular belief The Scene does NOT distribute to p2p networks" -- 65.12.196.204 22:03, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
1. What's up with the whole warez stuff? -- The scene is not all that much about warez as this article makes it to be. While modern groups do form by wanabes who distribute warez, the original Scene had nothing to do with it. Saying The Scene was all about warez is like saying dynamite is all about terrorists... e.g. It's Simply Modern Misuse. ... as is evident from the unclear relationship between the evolution of the demoscene from the Scene and all these anti-warez arrests taking place.
2. EFNET = The Scene?! What the... -- The Scene if anything is not limited to any one network nor does the majority of it belong to a specific network. Yes, EFNet is a technical network where you do have a fair chance of meeting a member of The Scene (asif there was an explicit defenition of such a person), the community is made of People and is not bound to any particular Internet protocol, much less IRC ... as is obvious from the unclear transition between BBSes around the world and a relatively young Internet IRC network like EFNet.
3. Distribution -- If we're talking about crack&keygen-makers, let the one most important thing be perfectly clear: They DO NOT distribute what they make. Period. If you ever see a group out there working on distributing the stuff, know that they're wannabees who rip other people's work and distribute it online as their own. The respect for authorship of software/artwork of individual groups has always been a core element of the rules in all aspects and varieties of The Scene.
4. Demoscene & Abandonware -- Obvious inconsistency. Demoscene is about creating compact digital artpieces, abandonware is about distributing old software, would somebody please explain to me in who's wild fantasy could these two things branch off the same thing? The entire text under that subsection isn't even making sense: What exactly are "cracked executables" supposed to be.
5. Credits & megabytes -- The whole point of making software or art in The Scene is in making it as small and compact as possible (this is why most of the cracks and keygens out there use runtime compression)... it's an artform of it's own to make a compact piece of software. Why in the world would therefore credits (being tokens of credit) be counted in megabytes? Razor 1911 wouldn't earn half a credit in all of history, by this logic! Also: Topsite networks aren't torrent nets, hence no accounts to store credits in.
Obviously whoever wrote this stuff didn't have half a clue about what he or she was writing about. This article desperately requires a rewrite and I intend to do one ASAP. Place your objections here. -- DustWolf 16:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
"The scene has no central leadership, location, ruleset, or other conventional distinguishing marks of existence" Uh, I see a whole lot of rules in the piracy scene. The demand of releases in BIN/CUE format rather than ISO, splitting releases into 15 or 50 MB Rar archives, .nfo content descriptors, and a number of other clearly set rules of release and habit that failure to obey will result in ostracizing by the rest of the scene and the release marked as "nuked" on most websites and sources of releases. Saying the software scene lacks rulesets or distinguishing marks isn't really correct, wouldn't you say? 71.175.122.95 ( talk) 08:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
The result was move. Vassyana ( talk) 08:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I am proposing that this article be moved back to its original name for two reasons. First, the current disambiguation tag is incorrect, as The Scene is not specific to software. Second, the move was predicated on the idea that "The Scene" should be used as disambiguation -- however, no disambiguation page was ever created, as no other subject using that name is of encyclopedic interest. Since the move, it has become a pointless redirect. Ham Pastrami ( talk) 11:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
This is quite possibly the least informative, least encyclopedic, most self-contradictory, and least contextually-comprehensible article I have ever seen that was not soon deleted. It also seems to whitewash the illegal activities of the scene, and does not explain the motivation of the people involved or the possible repercussions.
I am left with more questions at every sentence. Are there any publicly known figures or organizations that are involved in the scene? How is the scene "well-organized and cautious" without any leadership, organization, or structure? In fact, if it has no leadership, organization, structure, or ruleset, why does it belong under the title "The Scene" as though it were a single monolith? How about examples of these early BBS systems? Poser self-identification? Script kiddies? Morally disputable methods? I am none the wiser! And then it embarks upon stating guidelines, terminology, and rules of distributing and downloading, even though such things have been stated not to exist. No help is available from the sources. They are equally vague.
Many related articles on this topic, especially Demoscene, are also very difficult to read and understand. However, this one is the worst, which is problematic because it's the most general one—the one that should be the logical starting point of understanding the topic.
This article is in need of a complete rewrite or it deserves deletion. It should remove misinformation and original research, find new sources, achieve consistency and an encyclopedic tone, and use inside slang only when necessary and adequately described. I'd love to help, but I am unfamiliar with the topic. Chaparral2J ( talk) 22:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Currently, the Warez section of the Scene article contains essentially nothing but a link to Topsite (warez), which should be an article on servers containing pirated content.
In the introductory paragraph of Topsite (warez) page, there is a link to a description of what the Warez Scene is... (just a link to The Scene). I was intending to flesh out the Warez Scene page, but there's no place for it. So I'm proposing that the Warez Scene is split off. 67.165.213.199 ( talk) 23:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Well the problem in explaining the scene properly is there's essentially 2 parts of it, both with different meanings, hence the current confusion right now. The old school scene did not emphasize much on warez and distribution of it; the current scene which most people refer to with the general intent of warez and fast distribution these days started around the early 90s, and the old school scene which did not really emphasize mass-distribution due to the current lack of technology and more on art and self creations, is barely known in current times. I know some articles that split between 2 time periods. Is it possible here? 165.230.89.157 ( talk) 14:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was moved Aervanath ( talk) 07:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Warez (scene) → Warez scene — Warez scene seems like a more reasonable name. The current "Warez (scene)" would indicated that this article is about Warez, in the context of scene. Rather, this article is about the warez scene. — Apoc2400 ( talk) 22:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
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Seriously? No article on piracy/cracks/keygens can be considered balanced or informative if it doesn't properly cite "warez" as a principal source of cyber-infections. Furthermore, no article on this "scene" is complete without examining the motivations for spreading such infections. 72.91.31.23 ( talk) 13:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Never had a talk page entry deleted before, but this may be the first.
Until then ...
First, someone should do a scan for certain basic errors. I don't know what a 1971s, but I'm sure that the BBS system did not start before the breakup of AT&T by the courts which allowed for the direct electrical connection of modems. As late as 1978, you still needed those cups to put the handset in.
However, this story does start in the early 1970s with phone phreaks, not the BBS.
I think the idea that there is one contiguous group from way back then to 13 individuals listed in the latest document is highly suspect.
That they somehow own something entirely due to dubious heritage seems counter to their subculture theme in any event.
Shouldn't there be some mention of Steve Wozniak, Captain Crunch, Tom0 & Tom1? How about "the machine 213-833-3339"?
I was cracking Apple II games as early as 1981 and I'd never heard of "The Scene". I worked for Epyx in 1988 when it employed the true pioneers of both programming and cracking of software. Still nobody knew about the Scene. Participated in BBSing as late as 1994 and still never heard of "The Scene".
Somebody's been doing some powerful rewriting of history here, for ego and self aggrandizement it would seem. Some small group has claimed overall dominance when they seem to have been a niche organization at best.
pcG
Now lets see how long they allow such criticism ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by PcGnome ( talk • contribs) 22:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Dude its called the scene in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.187.150.225 ( talk) 03:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh, if only it were so. There is this inbred group who claim almost royal status and claim to be an unbroken group for decades and claim to be the rightful heirs to the name as well as current decision making authority over their perceived realm.
PcGnome ( talk) 04:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi: I'm a new user and firstly I'd like to congratulate all of you for your splendid work. The reason why I am writing: The objection about the article being too technical seems to me dubious. I totally disagree, and not in regard to this article but to any article of a technical-scientific matter. My statement: the public may not be considered foolish, uneducated or uninformed, except in the article subject and up to a certain measure. There is a whole cross reference system in Wikipedia. Of course, there must be articles basic enough to give the reader the language necessary to understand articles with more sophiscated contents. And a criterium to establish categories. Example: easier category: Electromagnetism: this article, assuming it exists, is so general it must use not too technical a language. Links within the article can increase the level of technicality in the associated articles. This is my opinion, which simply put is: let us not make Wikipedia a children's enciclopaedia. Stf92 ( talk) 01:25, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
"The Warez scene, mostly referred to as The Scene (often capitalized),[1] is an underground community of people that specialize in the distribution of copyrighted material, including television shows and series, movies, music, music videos, games (all platforms), applications (all platforms), ebooks, and pornography."
The problem is that the warez scene is more than just the scene. The warez scene also includes both private and public p2p sites that are not part of the scene, for instance. As an example to illustrate why this sentence is simply stupid: The Pirate Bay is part of the warez scene, but not the scene.
The second problem is that both people inside and outside of the scene never use the phrase "the warez scene" to describe the scene.
So my suggestion is to simply name this article "the scene", and drop the phrase all together.
Since we won't be able to put everything in the further reading section until it's used, I'll keep a list here. -- Ondertitel ( talk) 17:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Seriously? Go to any Usenet indexer or torrent tracker. Releases, releases,... thousands millions of them. Nearly everything is here. You may fail to get the pirated contents only if it's too old and not very popular (You will still find the releases, but there are no seeders, dead links, incomplete archives etc). Yes, downloading warez isn't such easy as just clicking and watching/playing and you may be fined and many people prefers to pay some moneys to feel yourself in safety and convenience. But technically you may still get, I think, 99% of media/games/soft without paying a cent and without being a member of the Scene :). And it's good :). — Preceding
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82.116.48.105 (
talk)
06:21, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
At some point during the existence of The Scene, there was a 'web series' named Behind The Scene that consisted of video of text chats between Scene members. It was almost certainly made by actual scene members, as it depicted usernames that were very similar to those of members - names that didn't become public until after an FBI sting operation and the arrest of several Scene members (and the series included the username of the FBI mole too). It also showed the conversations and processes for the leak of several films, including The Hulk (2003) and Troy (2004) in its early episodes.
Unfortunately, I cannot find that series online, or any mention of it, as the relevant Google keywords are flooded with later results. But if anyone can find reference to it, it would be great to include in the article, as it is almost a realtime documentary about The Scene. Otherwise, the only surviving reference to it might be this discussion post. There is a short video from 2002 about the demoscene named "Demographics: Behind The Scene", which is very different and unrelated, it just happens to have a similar name. Chris45215 ( talk) 17:24, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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The intro to this article just plain sucks.
"Members of this scene are often unaware that the expression "the scene" is also used by members of other social groups to describe their community(who cares about this statement?), for example in the arts or music or literature(should be "for example, in the arts, music or literature) . This use of the expression "the scene" has been in continual use in English for a long time before software even existed("...long before software existed" might work, but again, what is the point of this statement?) . Members of a social group know what "the scene"(the Scene or The Scene, but quotations aren't useful). refers to, and most members of the software community use it to refer to all the software-related communities listed above. In the rest of this article "the scene" means the software scene(no shit.)."
I really think this needs to be rewritten. Not only does it go off into pointless directions, but it sounds like it's written by a kid. I don't want to rewrite it because I'm not familiar enough with the material, but I would hope someone well informed could do better.
I just had an idea... why don't we incorporate into this article a list of various sets of scene rules? For example, we could have different headings, SVCD, VCD, Software, 0-day etc and give some of the rules, where rule is defined as something that must be followed to avoid nuking. For example...
This whole article (including this talk section) is so full of misinformation that it is hard to know where to begin. Maybe the only real way to learn is to be a part of the scene. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
90.134.34.208 (
talk)
10:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
SVCD Scene Rules
- Movies must be in BIN/CUE format
- BIN/CUEs should be packed in 15MB RARs
- Valid resolutions are 480x480 NTSC or 480x576 PAL
- Bitrate must be minimum 2250.
and so on...
68.239.174.81
22:45, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
In the same way users constantly tried to cover up OiNK.cd's existence on wikipedia, we see it here. Misinformation, as another user put it, is prevalent and is sickening. Also, one of the most popular interests is the scene in music and pre-releases. This article skirts around every mention. I know people love the scene, and everything it provides, but wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and this IS supposed to be informative. I suggest a dialogue about this article. I realize, in the same way acquaintances of mine dealt with AfD's fot shot down and hit the news stands, I would be fighting an uphill battle in editing this page heavily without conversation first. Please discuss and offer opinions.
66.71.40.153 ( talk) 21:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The Scene as described here is narrowly defined, right? I'd see other scenes that would name themselves like this, the gay scene, the art and scupltures scene, whatever, and whatnot. Am I misunderstanding the stuff to be described here? Or would a {{disambiguation}} tag do? :confused: -- Vintagesound 11:16, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
I completely agree, this should be a disambiguation page. Almost every scene (local music scenes, clubbing scene, graffiti scene, etc) calls itself "The Scene", and it is typical for wikipedia to be skewed towards computer-related subjects. 86.80.147.155 21:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
If they ban anyone who leaks a release why does every single tvshow/film/album/software, that anyone cares about, make it to regular P2P networks? Surely all leakers would have been banned by now? Maybe someone can clear this up. -- 84.67.30.155 15:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
it is supposed to be punished but no one seems to care these days, most top torrent sites are usually on the same box as a topsite which is why you get pre to torrent times of less than 10. 94.168.194.94 ( talk) 20:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Can someone write a little about the philosophy of the scene? For example, what is the point of piracy if it is not (in theory) supposed to get out to the public? Private use by members of the scene? Could someone please clarify this sort of thing and/or drop me a note on my talk page, please? NeoThe1 05:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Why do these bright kids risk 5-15 years in prison? Do they make money or something? They risk their lives just so they can see a movie a few months before everyone else? ( Narkstraws 07:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
Morals is certainly not the reason its done. The scene is all about the race and showing off skills, and sharing with the rest of the sceners and nothing else. Some generalizing isnt a good idea, a lot of people in the scene do make money out of it.
Here is an external link with a lot of info about the scene.. maybe it can be added to external links: http://www.aboutthescene.com/
Correction Contrary to popular belief The Scene does distribute to p2p networks should be "Contrary to popular belief The Scene does NOT distribute to p2p networks" -- 65.12.196.204 22:03, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
1. What's up with the whole warez stuff? -- The scene is not all that much about warez as this article makes it to be. While modern groups do form by wanabes who distribute warez, the original Scene had nothing to do with it. Saying The Scene was all about warez is like saying dynamite is all about terrorists... e.g. It's Simply Modern Misuse. ... as is evident from the unclear relationship between the evolution of the demoscene from the Scene and all these anti-warez arrests taking place.
2. EFNET = The Scene?! What the... -- The Scene if anything is not limited to any one network nor does the majority of it belong to a specific network. Yes, EFNet is a technical network where you do have a fair chance of meeting a member of The Scene (asif there was an explicit defenition of such a person), the community is made of People and is not bound to any particular Internet protocol, much less IRC ... as is obvious from the unclear transition between BBSes around the world and a relatively young Internet IRC network like EFNet.
3. Distribution -- If we're talking about crack&keygen-makers, let the one most important thing be perfectly clear: They DO NOT distribute what they make. Period. If you ever see a group out there working on distributing the stuff, know that they're wannabees who rip other people's work and distribute it online as their own. The respect for authorship of software/artwork of individual groups has always been a core element of the rules in all aspects and varieties of The Scene.
4. Demoscene & Abandonware -- Obvious inconsistency. Demoscene is about creating compact digital artpieces, abandonware is about distributing old software, would somebody please explain to me in who's wild fantasy could these two things branch off the same thing? The entire text under that subsection isn't even making sense: What exactly are "cracked executables" supposed to be.
5. Credits & megabytes -- The whole point of making software or art in The Scene is in making it as small and compact as possible (this is why most of the cracks and keygens out there use runtime compression)... it's an artform of it's own to make a compact piece of software. Why in the world would therefore credits (being tokens of credit) be counted in megabytes? Razor 1911 wouldn't earn half a credit in all of history, by this logic! Also: Topsite networks aren't torrent nets, hence no accounts to store credits in.
Obviously whoever wrote this stuff didn't have half a clue about what he or she was writing about. This article desperately requires a rewrite and I intend to do one ASAP. Place your objections here. -- DustWolf 16:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
"The scene has no central leadership, location, ruleset, or other conventional distinguishing marks of existence" Uh, I see a whole lot of rules in the piracy scene. The demand of releases in BIN/CUE format rather than ISO, splitting releases into 15 or 50 MB Rar archives, .nfo content descriptors, and a number of other clearly set rules of release and habit that failure to obey will result in ostracizing by the rest of the scene and the release marked as "nuked" on most websites and sources of releases. Saying the software scene lacks rulesets or distinguishing marks isn't really correct, wouldn't you say? 71.175.122.95 ( talk) 08:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
The result was move. Vassyana ( talk) 08:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I am proposing that this article be moved back to its original name for two reasons. First, the current disambiguation tag is incorrect, as The Scene is not specific to software. Second, the move was predicated on the idea that "The Scene" should be used as disambiguation -- however, no disambiguation page was ever created, as no other subject using that name is of encyclopedic interest. Since the move, it has become a pointless redirect. Ham Pastrami ( talk) 11:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
This is quite possibly the least informative, least encyclopedic, most self-contradictory, and least contextually-comprehensible article I have ever seen that was not soon deleted. It also seems to whitewash the illegal activities of the scene, and does not explain the motivation of the people involved or the possible repercussions.
I am left with more questions at every sentence. Are there any publicly known figures or organizations that are involved in the scene? How is the scene "well-organized and cautious" without any leadership, organization, or structure? In fact, if it has no leadership, organization, structure, or ruleset, why does it belong under the title "The Scene" as though it were a single monolith? How about examples of these early BBS systems? Poser self-identification? Script kiddies? Morally disputable methods? I am none the wiser! And then it embarks upon stating guidelines, terminology, and rules of distributing and downloading, even though such things have been stated not to exist. No help is available from the sources. They are equally vague.
Many related articles on this topic, especially Demoscene, are also very difficult to read and understand. However, this one is the worst, which is problematic because it's the most general one—the one that should be the logical starting point of understanding the topic.
This article is in need of a complete rewrite or it deserves deletion. It should remove misinformation and original research, find new sources, achieve consistency and an encyclopedic tone, and use inside slang only when necessary and adequately described. I'd love to help, but I am unfamiliar with the topic. Chaparral2J ( talk) 22:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Currently, the Warez section of the Scene article contains essentially nothing but a link to Topsite (warez), which should be an article on servers containing pirated content.
In the introductory paragraph of Topsite (warez) page, there is a link to a description of what the Warez Scene is... (just a link to The Scene). I was intending to flesh out the Warez Scene page, but there's no place for it. So I'm proposing that the Warez Scene is split off. 67.165.213.199 ( talk) 23:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Well the problem in explaining the scene properly is there's essentially 2 parts of it, both with different meanings, hence the current confusion right now. The old school scene did not emphasize much on warez and distribution of it; the current scene which most people refer to with the general intent of warez and fast distribution these days started around the early 90s, and the old school scene which did not really emphasize mass-distribution due to the current lack of technology and more on art and self creations, is barely known in current times. I know some articles that split between 2 time periods. Is it possible here? 165.230.89.157 ( talk) 14:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was moved Aervanath ( talk) 07:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Warez (scene) → Warez scene — Warez scene seems like a more reasonable name. The current "Warez (scene)" would indicated that this article is about Warez, in the context of scene. Rather, this article is about the warez scene. — Apoc2400 ( talk) 22:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.I can't believe this piece of rubbish is actually being linked to from reputable entries such as Matroska. For pete's sake, good editors are wasting their time trying to fix this shit; will someone please bury it once and for all? I'd love to enumerate each hideously-written, inane, childish, embarassing, half-baked blunder but a) many have already done so and b) I'm losing the will to live just thinking about it. Blitterbug ( talk) 13:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Seriously? No article on piracy/cracks/keygens can be considered balanced or informative if it doesn't properly cite "warez" as a principal source of cyber-infections. Furthermore, no article on this "scene" is complete without examining the motivations for spreading such infections. 72.91.31.23 ( talk) 13:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Never had a talk page entry deleted before, but this may be the first.
Until then ...
First, someone should do a scan for certain basic errors. I don't know what a 1971s, but I'm sure that the BBS system did not start before the breakup of AT&T by the courts which allowed for the direct electrical connection of modems. As late as 1978, you still needed those cups to put the handset in.
However, this story does start in the early 1970s with phone phreaks, not the BBS.
I think the idea that there is one contiguous group from way back then to 13 individuals listed in the latest document is highly suspect.
That they somehow own something entirely due to dubious heritage seems counter to their subculture theme in any event.
Shouldn't there be some mention of Steve Wozniak, Captain Crunch, Tom0 & Tom1? How about "the machine 213-833-3339"?
I was cracking Apple II games as early as 1981 and I'd never heard of "The Scene". I worked for Epyx in 1988 when it employed the true pioneers of both programming and cracking of software. Still nobody knew about the Scene. Participated in BBSing as late as 1994 and still never heard of "The Scene".
Somebody's been doing some powerful rewriting of history here, for ego and self aggrandizement it would seem. Some small group has claimed overall dominance when they seem to have been a niche organization at best.
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Now lets see how long they allow such criticism ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by PcGnome ( talk • contribs) 22:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Dude its called the scene in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.187.150.225 ( talk) 03:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh, if only it were so. There is this inbred group who claim almost royal status and claim to be an unbroken group for decades and claim to be the rightful heirs to the name as well as current decision making authority over their perceived realm.
PcGnome ( talk) 04:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi: I'm a new user and firstly I'd like to congratulate all of you for your splendid work. The reason why I am writing: The objection about the article being too technical seems to me dubious. I totally disagree, and not in regard to this article but to any article of a technical-scientific matter. My statement: the public may not be considered foolish, uneducated or uninformed, except in the article subject and up to a certain measure. There is a whole cross reference system in Wikipedia. Of course, there must be articles basic enough to give the reader the language necessary to understand articles with more sophiscated contents. And a criterium to establish categories. Example: easier category: Electromagnetism: this article, assuming it exists, is so general it must use not too technical a language. Links within the article can increase the level of technicality in the associated articles. This is my opinion, which simply put is: let us not make Wikipedia a children's enciclopaedia. Stf92 ( talk) 01:25, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
"The Warez scene, mostly referred to as The Scene (often capitalized),[1] is an underground community of people that specialize in the distribution of copyrighted material, including television shows and series, movies, music, music videos, games (all platforms), applications (all platforms), ebooks, and pornography."
The problem is that the warez scene is more than just the scene. The warez scene also includes both private and public p2p sites that are not part of the scene, for instance. As an example to illustrate why this sentence is simply stupid: The Pirate Bay is part of the warez scene, but not the scene.
The second problem is that both people inside and outside of the scene never use the phrase "the warez scene" to describe the scene.
So my suggestion is to simply name this article "the scene", and drop the phrase all together.
Since we won't be able to put everything in the further reading section until it's used, I'll keep a list here. -- Ondertitel ( talk) 17:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Seriously? Go to any Usenet indexer or torrent tracker. Releases, releases,... thousands millions of them. Nearly everything is here. You may fail to get the pirated contents only if it's too old and not very popular (You will still find the releases, but there are no seeders, dead links, incomplete archives etc). Yes, downloading warez isn't such easy as just clicking and watching/playing and you may be fined and many people prefers to pay some moneys to feel yourself in safety and convenience. But technically you may still get, I think, 99% of media/games/soft without paying a cent and without being a member of the Scene :). And it's good :). — Preceding
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At some point during the existence of The Scene, there was a 'web series' named Behind The Scene that consisted of video of text chats between Scene members. It was almost certainly made by actual scene members, as it depicted usernames that were very similar to those of members - names that didn't become public until after an FBI sting operation and the arrest of several Scene members (and the series included the username of the FBI mole too). It also showed the conversations and processes for the leak of several films, including The Hulk (2003) and Troy (2004) in its early episodes.
Unfortunately, I cannot find that series online, or any mention of it, as the relevant Google keywords are flooded with later results. But if anyone can find reference to it, it would be great to include in the article, as it is almost a realtime documentary about The Scene. Otherwise, the only surviving reference to it might be this discussion post. There is a short video from 2002 about the demoscene named "Demographics: Behind The Scene", which is very different and unrelated, it just happens to have a similar name. Chris45215 ( talk) 17:24, 15 July 2023 (UTC)