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Does anyone actually understand all this, and if so could they explain in an intelligible way? This very lengthy and verbose article entirely fails to explain what the tower was meant to do, how it was meant to do it, and whether it would have worked or not. Apparently it has been that way since at least 2005. Just a little explanatory section would do wonders. 109.130.39.77 ( talk) 21:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
I would suggest that the bulk of the article about the system be split out into a separate article. How about
Tesla's World Wireless System ? --
Beardo (
talk) 20:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Clarity issues involve shifts in verb tenses, and some quotes that are used repeatedly in questionable context. The tense issues make it unclear what parts actually occurred or would have worked. Tesla's quotes appear to be used as the only authority on the subject of how it would have worked, over more recent criticisms with no other recent rebuttal cited. Mynameisntbob1 ( talk) 02:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
In 2009, NYT reported that Agfa offered the site for sale. Was it sold? User:Shattered ( talk) 18:32, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Wardencliff was supposed to power a sister Light tower in Paris at the World Fair to showcase wireless transmission of industrial strength power. Tesla designed Niagra Falls to be able to generate enough power to wirelessly power the entire planet through the Ionosphere using Wardencliff as the antenna. But before this could be showcased, the Bank asked Tesla, "How do we charge people for this". And when Tesla answered, "You cant, its like the radio, you can not monitor what is passively received. It was not economically viable to the banks, so the banks pulled the plug on him and had the US army destroy it and take all the research for it. Imagine free power? Ever watch Chain Reaction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.32.2.46 ( talk) 22:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Suggest merging Tesla Science Center at Wardenclyffe to this article; most of that article is a recap of the history already here and this article already has a description of the fund raising efforts. WP:CRYSTAL applies as well, as yet there's no museum built. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 14:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
Recently the property was bought by Tesla Science Center at Wardenclyffe. Most of the funds were raised by donators to Matthew Inman's Campaign Let's Build a Goddamn Tesla Museum. This is quite important info as the site will now become a museum. this should be added to the Wiikpedia article.
This information can be found at http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum and http://theoatmeal.com/
http://theoatmeal.com/blog/tesla_museum_1m
Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.128.21 ( talk) 12:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
"The transmitter itself was to have been powered by a 200 kilowatt Westinghouse alternating current industrial generator."
And what was to provide mechanical energy to the generator? A coal-fired steam turbine?
Because at most 200 kilowatts was input to the tower, seems to me that the consumers of its wireless power, collectively, could have drawn at most 200 kilowatts from the system. If this is correct, the article should explicitly say so, to combat a myth that Wardenclyffe somehow would have distributed unlimited quantities of wireless power. 75.163.215.184 ( talk) 19:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Correct. It was supposed to run on a 200KW generator, later to be replaced by power from Niagara Falls. But, with this 200KW input it would distribute 10.000 HP which is 7.46 MW. I have done extensive research on the subject, you can read all about it with references and verification experiments here: http://mage00000.blogspot.com. Most of what is written in this article is based on assumption and at best incomplete. Ernst 122.155.42.1 ( talk) 14:06, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the "World Wireless System", "Variant receiver", and "Particle beam invention" sections because they seem to be entirely based on original research being: primary sources re:turn of the 20th century (and before) sources and Tesla's own writings, analysis/synthesis of more modern sources that do not mention Tesla, and one editor (Gary Peterson) apparently citing himself as a source. This could be fine research (hard to tell since there are no reliable sources), but, in its current form, it does not belong in Wikipedia. Fountains of Bryn Mawr ( talk) 16:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
This edit has eviscerated the article. Sadness. -- J. D. Redding 03:29, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
The individual's objections are noted and the problems will be corrected. - GPeterson ( talk) 15:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
It has been suggested the "World Wireless System" section be split off into a new article titled "World Wireless System." - GPeterson ( talk) 16:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Does any know GPS coordinates of point where tower was standing? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.38.62 ( talk) 06:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
This article describes the tower up front in the lead but the tower was a small (and short lived) component in Tesla's Wardenclyffe project, which also included a grounding well and a building that was the transmission facility as well as a laboratory and factory (as the majority of the article describes). Maybe the title should be changed to "Wardenclyffe". Fountains of Bryn Mawr ( talk) 19:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The science center article duplicates most content in this article. Also, the museum has not even begun construction yet. It is likely that the museum will not be built for some time, and the article can be created then. Epicgenius ( talk) 03:12, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
"Original research" doesn't do it justice. That article is almost total fantasy. Sorry, I didn't mean to step on any toes. All I meant was, I thought as long as there was a separate World Wireless System article that covers the technical side of Tesla's system, that there would be room in this article for the museum. If World Wireless System is going to be merged here, then I would guess not. I don't really have strong feelings either way. -- Chetvorno TALK 16:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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I did a major expansion and cleanup of the article adding more historical information referenced to secondary sources and moving/merging sections referenced to primary texts into a more prose oriented form. Lead has been adjusted to match content. Fountains of Bryn Mawr ( talk) 22:34, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
So we got descriptions of what is under the tower [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16]. Tesla describes the pipe pushed into the ground under the 120foot well as " there I had special machines rigged up which would push the iron pipe, one length after another, and I pushed these iron pipes, I think sixteen of them, three hundred feet, and then the current through these pipes takes hold of the earth." sixteen 300 foot pipes of 16 lengths of pipe that pushed end to end = 300 feet? In those same sources there is description of four 100 foot long brick lined tunnels radiation from the bottom of the 120 foot well. Fountains of Bryn Mawr ( talk) 15:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
A 100 years since the destruction of the Tesla Tower will be this year 2017.Suppossely yhe Tesla Tower was demolished to prevent"spies"! From useing the tower to report on ship conveys when the U.S. enteretd the First World war! Is this the true story?Thanks MinEdsonAndreJohnson ( talk) 17:26, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
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A noe Jan7th 2018 is the,75th anniversary of Dr.Teslas death NYC<On Jan.7th1943!Remember TSLA! MinEdsonAndreJohnson ( talk) 04:08, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Can we add the "Pop Culture" section and add Goosebumps 2: Haunted Halloween? DynastiNoble ( talk) 20:07, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
In June of 1902, Tesla moved his lab to Wardenclyffe, and he also took up residence in the village at Wardenclyffe. The rented a cottage and resided there “until his own palatial mansion was built.” [Port Jefferson Echo] The Tesla cottage still exists. I have photos and documentation as well as anecdotes about Tesla’s life in the Village. How do I get his Wardenclyffe residence added to the Nikola Tesla page? Shorehamcottage ( talk) 14:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help with adding information. The trouble is, I don’t understand the brackets. (I live in the Tesla cottage, but I’m a near Luddite. So sad!) I do have proper sources: newspaper articles, title search, etc. and great photos of then and now. I’ll just have to get someone to help me with the mechanics. Shorehamcottage ( talk) 19:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Why Wardenclyffe? what is the etimology of the name? why was it chosen? it can't be the name of the place, as that's shoreham, so why or how did tesla pick this name? 77.138.224.125 ( talk) 11:51, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I noticed the LI energy infrastructure category was removed. It is important for the category to remain since, despite the argument of "it never really worked," it was still a piece of energy infrastructure on Long Island (and one of the most famous and historic ones, for that matter) – and that is an indisputable fact. Please keep this in mind. To say "not really part of "infrastructure" as it never worked" simply is not a valid reason to not include one of Long Island's most famous energy-related structures in a category named "Energy infrastructure on Long Island, New York." AITFFan1 ( talk) 16:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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Does anyone actually understand all this, and if so could they explain in an intelligible way? This very lengthy and verbose article entirely fails to explain what the tower was meant to do, how it was meant to do it, and whether it would have worked or not. Apparently it has been that way since at least 2005. Just a little explanatory section would do wonders. 109.130.39.77 ( talk) 21:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
I would suggest that the bulk of the article about the system be split out into a separate article. How about
Tesla's World Wireless System ? --
Beardo (
talk) 20:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Clarity issues involve shifts in verb tenses, and some quotes that are used repeatedly in questionable context. The tense issues make it unclear what parts actually occurred or would have worked. Tesla's quotes appear to be used as the only authority on the subject of how it would have worked, over more recent criticisms with no other recent rebuttal cited. Mynameisntbob1 ( talk) 02:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
In 2009, NYT reported that Agfa offered the site for sale. Was it sold? User:Shattered ( talk) 18:32, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Wardencliff was supposed to power a sister Light tower in Paris at the World Fair to showcase wireless transmission of industrial strength power. Tesla designed Niagra Falls to be able to generate enough power to wirelessly power the entire planet through the Ionosphere using Wardencliff as the antenna. But before this could be showcased, the Bank asked Tesla, "How do we charge people for this". And when Tesla answered, "You cant, its like the radio, you can not monitor what is passively received. It was not economically viable to the banks, so the banks pulled the plug on him and had the US army destroy it and take all the research for it. Imagine free power? Ever watch Chain Reaction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.32.2.46 ( talk) 22:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Suggest merging Tesla Science Center at Wardenclyffe to this article; most of that article is a recap of the history already here and this article already has a description of the fund raising efforts. WP:CRYSTAL applies as well, as yet there's no museum built. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 14:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
Recently the property was bought by Tesla Science Center at Wardenclyffe. Most of the funds were raised by donators to Matthew Inman's Campaign Let's Build a Goddamn Tesla Museum. This is quite important info as the site will now become a museum. this should be added to the Wiikpedia article.
This information can be found at http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum and http://theoatmeal.com/
http://theoatmeal.com/blog/tesla_museum_1m
Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.128.21 ( talk) 12:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
"The transmitter itself was to have been powered by a 200 kilowatt Westinghouse alternating current industrial generator."
And what was to provide mechanical energy to the generator? A coal-fired steam turbine?
Because at most 200 kilowatts was input to the tower, seems to me that the consumers of its wireless power, collectively, could have drawn at most 200 kilowatts from the system. If this is correct, the article should explicitly say so, to combat a myth that Wardenclyffe somehow would have distributed unlimited quantities of wireless power. 75.163.215.184 ( talk) 19:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Correct. It was supposed to run on a 200KW generator, later to be replaced by power from Niagara Falls. But, with this 200KW input it would distribute 10.000 HP which is 7.46 MW. I have done extensive research on the subject, you can read all about it with references and verification experiments here: http://mage00000.blogspot.com. Most of what is written in this article is based on assumption and at best incomplete. Ernst 122.155.42.1 ( talk) 14:06, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the "World Wireless System", "Variant receiver", and "Particle beam invention" sections because they seem to be entirely based on original research being: primary sources re:turn of the 20th century (and before) sources and Tesla's own writings, analysis/synthesis of more modern sources that do not mention Tesla, and one editor (Gary Peterson) apparently citing himself as a source. This could be fine research (hard to tell since there are no reliable sources), but, in its current form, it does not belong in Wikipedia. Fountains of Bryn Mawr ( talk) 16:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
This edit has eviscerated the article. Sadness. -- J. D. Redding 03:29, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
The individual's objections are noted and the problems will be corrected. - GPeterson ( talk) 15:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
It has been suggested the "World Wireless System" section be split off into a new article titled "World Wireless System." - GPeterson ( talk) 16:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Does any know GPS coordinates of point where tower was standing? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.38.62 ( talk) 06:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
This article describes the tower up front in the lead but the tower was a small (and short lived) component in Tesla's Wardenclyffe project, which also included a grounding well and a building that was the transmission facility as well as a laboratory and factory (as the majority of the article describes). Maybe the title should be changed to "Wardenclyffe". Fountains of Bryn Mawr ( talk) 19:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The science center article duplicates most content in this article. Also, the museum has not even begun construction yet. It is likely that the museum will not be built for some time, and the article can be created then. Epicgenius ( talk) 03:12, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
"Original research" doesn't do it justice. That article is almost total fantasy. Sorry, I didn't mean to step on any toes. All I meant was, I thought as long as there was a separate World Wireless System article that covers the technical side of Tesla's system, that there would be room in this article for the museum. If World Wireless System is going to be merged here, then I would guess not. I don't really have strong feelings either way. -- Chetvorno TALK 16:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Wardenclyffe Tower's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "about":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I did a major expansion and cleanup of the article adding more historical information referenced to secondary sources and moving/merging sections referenced to primary texts into a more prose oriented form. Lead has been adjusted to match content. Fountains of Bryn Mawr ( talk) 22:34, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
So we got descriptions of what is under the tower [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16]. Tesla describes the pipe pushed into the ground under the 120foot well as " there I had special machines rigged up which would push the iron pipe, one length after another, and I pushed these iron pipes, I think sixteen of them, three hundred feet, and then the current through these pipes takes hold of the earth." sixteen 300 foot pipes of 16 lengths of pipe that pushed end to end = 300 feet? In those same sources there is description of four 100 foot long brick lined tunnels radiation from the bottom of the 120 foot well. Fountains of Bryn Mawr ( talk) 15:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
A 100 years since the destruction of the Tesla Tower will be this year 2017.Suppossely yhe Tesla Tower was demolished to prevent"spies"! From useing the tower to report on ship conveys when the U.S. enteretd the First World war! Is this the true story?Thanks MinEdsonAndreJohnson ( talk) 17:26, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
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A noe Jan7th 2018 is the,75th anniversary of Dr.Teslas death NYC<On Jan.7th1943!Remember TSLA! MinEdsonAndreJohnson ( talk) 04:08, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Can we add the "Pop Culture" section and add Goosebumps 2: Haunted Halloween? DynastiNoble ( talk) 20:07, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
In June of 1902, Tesla moved his lab to Wardenclyffe, and he also took up residence in the village at Wardenclyffe. The rented a cottage and resided there “until his own palatial mansion was built.” [Port Jefferson Echo] The Tesla cottage still exists. I have photos and documentation as well as anecdotes about Tesla’s life in the Village. How do I get his Wardenclyffe residence added to the Nikola Tesla page? Shorehamcottage ( talk) 14:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help with adding information. The trouble is, I don’t understand the brackets. (I live in the Tesla cottage, but I’m a near Luddite. So sad!) I do have proper sources: newspaper articles, title search, etc. and great photos of then and now. I’ll just have to get someone to help me with the mechanics. Shorehamcottage ( talk) 19:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Why Wardenclyffe? what is the etimology of the name? why was it chosen? it can't be the name of the place, as that's shoreham, so why or how did tesla pick this name? 77.138.224.125 ( talk) 11:51, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I noticed the LI energy infrastructure category was removed. It is important for the category to remain since, despite the argument of "it never really worked," it was still a piece of energy infrastructure on Long Island (and one of the most famous and historic ones, for that matter) – and that is an indisputable fact. Please keep this in mind. To say "not really part of "infrastructure" as it never worked" simply is not a valid reason to not include one of Long Island's most famous energy-related structures in a category named "Energy infrastructure on Long Island, New York." AITFFan1 ( talk) 16:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)