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I started it but there definitely is a lot of expansion needed, even though the war technically is only 20 days old as that is when Resolute Support began. @ EkoGraf:, you closed the discussion on the other article, just pinging you so you know. - SantiLak ( talk) 01:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
I did expand and add some of the statistics, but by now, they are at least 1-2 months outdated. Can someone PLEASE update the stats? I don't have all the resources, and I'm sure that newer figures have been released by now. Thanks. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 23:35, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Could there be a map similar to the one used for the yeas 2003-6, showing the territory currently controlled by the Taliban? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.246.133.221 ( talk) 10:33, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to give myself the liberty of going on a sort of a rant against this misconception, which has spread across both this and the 01-14 articles. It may also help clear up the headnote disagreement. It is thoroughly misleading to say NATO led the war in Afghanistan. Let's take this chronologically. On Oct 7, 2001, the U.S. started Enduring Freedom, and it has waged destructive war throughout Afghanistan from that point onward. Don't believe it is as of now? Check the description of the SOF task force which I've added to this article. About Dec 20, 2001, the UK established a security assistance force, sometimes described as peacekeepers at the time, for Kabul, which later gained UN approval under the term 'ISAF'. In Aug 2003 NATO took command of that security assistance force for Kabul. Around about 2004 Op Enduring Freedom ( Combined Joint Task Force 180) established regional commands to better carry out COIN operations around Afghanistan.
In December 2003, NATO's North Atlantic Council authorised the Supreme Allied Commander, General James Jones, to initiate the expansion of ISAF by taking over command of the German-led PRT in Kunduz. The other eight PRTs operating in Afghanistan in 2003 remained under the command of Operation Enduring Freedom, the continuing U.S.‑led military operation in Afghanistan. On 31 December 2003, the military component of the Kunduz PRT was placed under ISAF command as a pilot project and first step in the expansion of the mission. Six months later, NATO announced that it would establish four other provincial reconstruction teams in the north of the country: in Mazar-i-Sharif, Meymana, Feyzabad and Baghlan. After the completion of Stage 1 the ISAF's area of operations then covered some 3,600 square kilometres in the north and the mission was able to influence security in nine Northern provinces of the country. This was Regional Command North, run by a nation (Germany) which was prohibited from taking part in offensive operations or firing on the enemy once it began to move (Auerswald and Saideman, 2014, 148).
Meanwhile, in the other three Regional Commands in the country, U.S. Enduring Freedom counter-terrorist operations continued unabated. The first point where you might be able to argue that NATO became involved in warlike operations was when the Stage 2 expansion took place into RC West, finishing on 31 May 2006. RC West was assigned to Italy, which had less caveats than Germany, but still, it was the second-quietest sector of the country - deliberately, because the U.S. wanted to retain control over their CT operations and transfer control slowly so as to avoid embarrassing setbacks for their allies. While the U.S. retained control in RC South and East, they also continued to operate in the "NATO" RC North and RC West conducting counter-terrorist operations.
The U.S. transferred RC South to the Canadians/British/Dutch on 31 July 2006, and retained control over RC East throughout, but placed RC East, under a U.S. commander, under ISAF on 5 October 2006. Fighting had by this point started significantly in RC South, and NATO can be argued to be at war. But this was all in the presence of ongoing U.S. CT operations. Five months later, a British four-star (Richards) turned over command of ISAF to a U.S. four-star, and the U.S. ran ISAF from 2007-12. ISAF was technically directed by NATO, but nobody really can be expected to believe that David Petraeus was taking his commands from NATO? Obama was talking directly to Petraeus often!!
So it's not a clear picture. But this is essentially a war to deny al-Qaeda a haven in Afghanistan, with counter-terrorism tactics, and COIN if necessary. And that war was launched by and always directed by the U.S.. NATO happened to get into the fight here and there, relatively. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:09, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Propose the merger of the article War in Afghanistan (2015–present) with War in Afghanistan (2001–present) and Resolute Support Mission for the following reasons:
Support Per arguments raised by nominator. StanTheMan87 ( talk) 07:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
2015 (UTC)
That is not the only thing that has changed. ISIL and its affiliated groups have joined the conflict. Furthermore, there is new support for the Taliban by foreigners and Pakistan role in the conflict has changed if the sources are to be believed. Anasaitis ( talk) 23:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
That isn't the only reason that it is being called a new war. Some of the sides have changed, and ISIL has joined the fight as a new faction. Don't just assume that it's only called a new war because the U.S. says so. There are multiple reasons for it. Furthermore, as I mentioned above, technically Afghanistan has been in a state of constant warfare since 1978, and all the conflicts that have occurred in that time are considered seperate phases of the Civil War in Afghanistan. The U.S was involved in Afghanistan long before 9/11, as were many of the nation's that are currently involved. Technically speaking, these " wars" are all just different phases of the same conflict. Due to the ever-changing and complicated nature of the conflict, however, each of the phases has it's own separate article. This policy isn't new to this conflict. We used the same approach with the article on the conflict in Somalia. I see no reason to change that policy because of some similarities between two distinct phases of the conflict, for that is what they are. We need to stop looking at the recent confict in Afghanistan as a distinct war, and view it as simply the latest phases of a conflict that dates back to the Cold War. I think that is the mistake Juno and the others who are in favor of merging the two articles have made. Anasaitis ( talk) 19:44, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, and the Rolling Stones isn't exactly a reliable source. They aren't experts on political or military history. They are merely a magazine that discusses popular culture. They're also no strangers to exaggeration and fabrication, as their history can attest. The first two sources are more reliable, but It appears that whoever provides the links didn't properly link the third source, as I can't find it. Still, I don't think we should move the article based on just two reliable sources and two unreliable or inaccessible ones. Anasaitis ( talk) 19:47, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I think you should not reduce the War in Afghanistan (2001–present) to a mere "phase of the afghan civil war", because this conflict is embedded within a much larger context: the War on Terror. The afghan war began in 2001 on the pretext of fighting terrorism, but the United States still continue bombing and launching operations to combat terrorism in the country. Then how can you say that there is a different war? The U.S and NATO interests in Afghanistan has changed the 2014 to 2015? 177.68.222.63 ( talk) 00:40, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
If need be cite more sources to what is being said: [6], [7], [8] ... I understand that War in Afghanistan (2001-present) is a specific article for the Western intervention in Afghanistan. So now we have NATO providing training to Afghan forces fight the terrorists and the US making counter-terrorism operations, and this war is fits into the context of the War on Terror, then I believe that Western interest in the country is the same since 2001. The only thing that changed it was the removal of a large contingent of troops from Afghanistan and ISAF being replaced by the Resolute Support Mission; namely changed the strategy but the goal remains been the same since 2001. In addition, until now no one has presented reliable sources that support unquestionably so that in 2015 there is a "new phase of the afghan civil war" and that this "other war" began on 1 January 2015 as reported in the article... original research? 177.103.3.151 ( talk) 23:56, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to bring attention to the maps detailing the various factions and current territorial status in other articles, and was wondering if any user is experienced in making these? I am referring to the maps on these articles:
I'd thought it would be worthwhile, as Afghanistan is a fairly important theater of military operations in the world, and with the Taliban taking more territory in the country [1] [2], that it should be represented like in the articles above. -- Ritsaiph ( talk) 03:36, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Now that American forces have an explicitly combat mission, can we own up to reality and change this? Juno ( talk) 22:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Taliban is Sunni - Iran is Shia, Iran supported the Shias who are against the Taliban (Hasaras) /info/en/?search=Hazaras — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.84.36.197 ( talk) 22:56, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved per opposes stated below. ( non-admin closure) Tiggerjay ( talk) 02:13, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (2015–present) →
Afghan Civil War (2015–present) – As ISAF/NATO's involvement in Afghanistan ended, propose that the title of the article should be amended to
Afghan Civil War (2015–present).
Following the example of
Soviet–Afghan War: when the soviet intervention is over, the war has changed phase and the conflict just happened to be a civil war (
Afghan Civil War (1989–92)). The same should be applied here, following the pattern described in
Afghan civil war (the phases of civil war without foreign direct involvement are referred to as "Afghan Civil War").
177.188.61.136 (
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14:15, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
I removed Qatar from the info-box under 'Support' for the Taliban due to the fact that in other conflicts shown on Wikipedia, countries have only been included as supporters of a group depending on what kind of aid they provide. See list of armed groups in the Syrian civil war and then the Syrian civil war infobox to understand what I mean.
In the case of Pakistan, Iran and Russia, it is cited in various sources that Taliban commanders and hierarchy have received weapons, intelligence, and protection from any one of the three nations listed. This is why they are presently listed in the info-box.
The source mentioning Qatar was dated (2014) and highlighted a political office built for a Taliban delegation to negotiate potential peace talks with the U.S and Afghan government. Qatar was playing the role of host, allowing for discussions between the various groups to take place on its soil. This should not be misconstrued as Qatar internationally recognizing Taliban sovereignty over Afghanistan, or even sheltering Taliban officials, much like Pakistan has done. It's like writing China supports the Taliban due to China hosting talks with Taliban and Afghan government officials as well, see here [9]. Maybe it was the way the article heading was written; Qatar’s Support of Islamists Alienates Allies Near and Far and the history of financial and even military Qatari support for the Muslim brotherhood, Hamas and Libya and Syria's various islamist militias. But there is no such credible evidence indicating that Qatar is aiding the Taliban insurgency in the Afghan conflict, unlike in Libya or Syria. Nor is there any evidence that the Qatari government have even taken sides in the conflict. -- Donenne ( talk) 07:31, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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The war in Afghanistan articles since 2001 need to be reformed.
A new article should be created called 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, or 2001 Afghanistan War, using content from War in Afghanistan (2001–2014). The reason for this is because what happened in 2001 is a whole different entity. The 2001 war involved the Northern Alliance with US air support fighting and toppling the Taliban. Everything that happened after December 2001 is simply the 'aftermath' of the war. From 2002 onwards, there was no more Northern Alliance, no more US air support, no longer a Taliban to be toppled. In fact, there wasn't even a 'war' going on anymore, as the remaining Taliban members were very low in numbers and most of the country was secured (it didn't take until about 2005 for them to properly kickstart a new insurgency campaign). ISAF was created in December 2001 not for war, but security. It's a whole different thing. There was no war after Dec 2001, but simply an effort from NATO to secure the country. The remaining (post-Dec 2001) content should stay in this article, but it should be renamed to NATO intervention in Afghanistan or similar (like e.g. NATO intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and like that article says, the same principles 'establish, preserve, peace during and after war' applied to their ISAF mission in Afghanistan). The confusion lies among the fact that the Taliban have been insurgents since 2002, but NATO had a mission of their own from Dec 2001 to Dec 2014.
In addition, the article War in Afghanistan (2015-present) should be merged into Taliban insurgency (which covers their insurgency since 2002). The reason is that the name of the article suggests that a new war started, when in fact nothing new happened except that NATO's mission ended. This is why the current 2001-2014 article needs to be renamed to NATO intervention. The current situation in Afghanistan is the same as it was in 2002, with the main difference being that NATO's mission ended - the Taliban are still continuing their insurgency activities. Whilst there are a few smaller groups rivalling both the Taliban and the government currently, the main conflict is between government and Taliban. ISIL do operate in Afghanistan but they are not 'insurgents' like the Taliban - they do not recognize the countries and only claim their own 'caliphate' - they themselves are rivals of the Taliban. In the Colombian conflict for instance, there are several groups fighting the government but the one predominant group is FARC. In the current Syrian civil war as well, ISIL is a participant (not one of the 'main' rebels fighting the government like the Free Syrian Army) but the international intervention is a different article, Military intervention against ISIL. In Afghanistan, ever since 2002, the predominant anti-government group has always been the Taliban.
Summary of changes (my personal suggestion):
Due to the potential major changes, these are likely going to be controversial among some people, so I would like to allow this proposal to stay in place for a long time before any decisions are made.
Discuss these proposals on Talk:War in Afghanistan (2001–2014). Thank you.
-- Hyperwq+639 ( talk) 15:21, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
-- Peterius ( talk) 03:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC) - I don't understand why there are 2016 and 2017 dates underneath the 2015 timeline section heading. If its part of a general summary, it shouldn't be under 2015 but before it.
Hello, I think all this alleged support to Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan should be simply removed because it appears to be engineered by geo-political opponents of Pakistan, Iran and Russia to portray them in a negative light as sort of warmongers or something and opponents of NATO-backed "order".
The sources are contradicting themselves with some speculating of possible support and others denying it, I don't think speculation of some 2nd-grade self-proclaimed editor or journalist qualifies as undeniable truth, conflict is a serious matter and entire countries shouldn't be added to the list of belligerents just because their governments have certain influential and powerful political opponents among the Wikipedia editors community. Let me be clear, alleged support is not support.
If anyone please could remove all-together the "alleged support" section or add unquestionable sources which definitely prove support of these nations to the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan I'd be very grateful, there's also a similar situation going on in article Yemeni Civil War (2015–present), we all know Saudis, Qataris and Americans have long argued that Iran is somehow involved in that conflict without providing any proof whatsoever but addition of DPRK and Russia to the list is absolutely libelous and against the spirit of Wikipedia if not against some of the rules themselves, the proof against those countries is virtually non-existent apart from some article written by a student in 2015 speculating that Russia somehow could be possibly involved, I mean come on, that constitutes a legitimate source to designate entire country at a state of war?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.63.161.19 ( talk) 22:22, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
I support this proposal, imo wikipedia isn't rumour site its a knowledge site, just sayin. GroundlessAir ( talk) 20:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. There are dozens of reliable sources backing up the claim of Russian assistance to the Taliban: - CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-supplying-taliban-weapons-top-us-general-afghanistan-suggests/ - Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/17/evidence-russian-military-support-for-afghan-taliban-is-growing.html - Voice of America: https://www.voanews.com/a/afghan-officiall-russian-advisers-help-taliban-contested-province/3806102.html - Business Insider: http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-supporting-taliban-2017-1?r=US&IR=T - CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/24/europe/putin-taliban-isis/index.html - Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/23/russia-is-sharing-information-with-the-taliban-to-fight-the-islamic-state/?utm_term=.ede85d83abea - Washington Times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/29/l-todd-wood-russia-begins-supplying-weapons-afghan/ - 1TV: http://1tvnews.af/en/news/afghanistan/28134-russia-provides-cash-military-support-to-taliban-in-kunduz-sources
Given the prevalence of this allegation, it should certainly be noticed in this article.-- 92.237.23.242 ( talk) 20:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved, as the two articles are currently in the process of being merged. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:3C26:246D:820:6640 ( talk) 14:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (2015–present) → ? – An RM at what was Talk:War in Afghanistan (2001–2014) determined that the two articles should be merged to War in Afghanistan (2001–present), because the topics are essentially one and the same, with slightly different actors. That article, however, is upwards of 250 KB, with several sub-articles already split off. A traditional merge/redirect would make the article unwieldy, and two (20XX–present) articles may be confusing. What should we call this subtopic? — Guan aco 02:48, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Example, "On 14 March 2016, Khanneshin District in Helmand Province fell to the Taliban; and district by district, Afghan troops are retreating . . . " "fell" is past tense; "are retreating" is present progressive, implying present on-going action. But an article like this will quickly be incorrect if tied to present like that. The present quickly becomes past. A correction would be, for example, "were retreating as of March 14, 2016. IMHO present tense & historic present tense should be avoided on Wikipedia since the present soon becomes past, and present tense statements become false. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 17:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC))
Is there anyone who understands this war well enough to summarize it in broad brush so that the forest can be seen, & not just a multitude of trees? An introduction serving that purpose would surely help the article. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 17:58, 18 July 2017 (UTC))
Looking over this article, I am finding a lot of punctuation / mechanical errors, like failing to put a , before a quote. Sometimes I cannot fix these because I am unsure what the author meant to say. It would be best if the author can fix these errors himself, as he may be the only person who knows what he meant to say. Ideally the author would collaborate with someone who knows how to compose English correctly. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 18:08, 18 July 2017 (UTC))
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I started it but there definitely is a lot of expansion needed, even though the war technically is only 20 days old as that is when Resolute Support began. @ EkoGraf:, you closed the discussion on the other article, just pinging you so you know. - SantiLak ( talk) 01:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
I did expand and add some of the statistics, but by now, they are at least 1-2 months outdated. Can someone PLEASE update the stats? I don't have all the resources, and I'm sure that newer figures have been released by now. Thanks. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 23:35, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Could there be a map similar to the one used for the yeas 2003-6, showing the territory currently controlled by the Taliban? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.246.133.221 ( talk) 10:33, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to give myself the liberty of going on a sort of a rant against this misconception, which has spread across both this and the 01-14 articles. It may also help clear up the headnote disagreement. It is thoroughly misleading to say NATO led the war in Afghanistan. Let's take this chronologically. On Oct 7, 2001, the U.S. started Enduring Freedom, and it has waged destructive war throughout Afghanistan from that point onward. Don't believe it is as of now? Check the description of the SOF task force which I've added to this article. About Dec 20, 2001, the UK established a security assistance force, sometimes described as peacekeepers at the time, for Kabul, which later gained UN approval under the term 'ISAF'. In Aug 2003 NATO took command of that security assistance force for Kabul. Around about 2004 Op Enduring Freedom ( Combined Joint Task Force 180) established regional commands to better carry out COIN operations around Afghanistan.
In December 2003, NATO's North Atlantic Council authorised the Supreme Allied Commander, General James Jones, to initiate the expansion of ISAF by taking over command of the German-led PRT in Kunduz. The other eight PRTs operating in Afghanistan in 2003 remained under the command of Operation Enduring Freedom, the continuing U.S.‑led military operation in Afghanistan. On 31 December 2003, the military component of the Kunduz PRT was placed under ISAF command as a pilot project and first step in the expansion of the mission. Six months later, NATO announced that it would establish four other provincial reconstruction teams in the north of the country: in Mazar-i-Sharif, Meymana, Feyzabad and Baghlan. After the completion of Stage 1 the ISAF's area of operations then covered some 3,600 square kilometres in the north and the mission was able to influence security in nine Northern provinces of the country. This was Regional Command North, run by a nation (Germany) which was prohibited from taking part in offensive operations or firing on the enemy once it began to move (Auerswald and Saideman, 2014, 148).
Meanwhile, in the other three Regional Commands in the country, U.S. Enduring Freedom counter-terrorist operations continued unabated. The first point where you might be able to argue that NATO became involved in warlike operations was when the Stage 2 expansion took place into RC West, finishing on 31 May 2006. RC West was assigned to Italy, which had less caveats than Germany, but still, it was the second-quietest sector of the country - deliberately, because the U.S. wanted to retain control over their CT operations and transfer control slowly so as to avoid embarrassing setbacks for their allies. While the U.S. retained control in RC South and East, they also continued to operate in the "NATO" RC North and RC West conducting counter-terrorist operations.
The U.S. transferred RC South to the Canadians/British/Dutch on 31 July 2006, and retained control over RC East throughout, but placed RC East, under a U.S. commander, under ISAF on 5 October 2006. Fighting had by this point started significantly in RC South, and NATO can be argued to be at war. But this was all in the presence of ongoing U.S. CT operations. Five months later, a British four-star (Richards) turned over command of ISAF to a U.S. four-star, and the U.S. ran ISAF from 2007-12. ISAF was technically directed by NATO, but nobody really can be expected to believe that David Petraeus was taking his commands from NATO? Obama was talking directly to Petraeus often!!
So it's not a clear picture. But this is essentially a war to deny al-Qaeda a haven in Afghanistan, with counter-terrorism tactics, and COIN if necessary. And that war was launched by and always directed by the U.S.. NATO happened to get into the fight here and there, relatively. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:09, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Propose the merger of the article War in Afghanistan (2015–present) with War in Afghanistan (2001–present) and Resolute Support Mission for the following reasons:
Support Per arguments raised by nominator. StanTheMan87 ( talk) 07:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
2015 (UTC)
That is not the only thing that has changed. ISIL and its affiliated groups have joined the conflict. Furthermore, there is new support for the Taliban by foreigners and Pakistan role in the conflict has changed if the sources are to be believed. Anasaitis ( talk) 23:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
That isn't the only reason that it is being called a new war. Some of the sides have changed, and ISIL has joined the fight as a new faction. Don't just assume that it's only called a new war because the U.S. says so. There are multiple reasons for it. Furthermore, as I mentioned above, technically Afghanistan has been in a state of constant warfare since 1978, and all the conflicts that have occurred in that time are considered seperate phases of the Civil War in Afghanistan. The U.S was involved in Afghanistan long before 9/11, as were many of the nation's that are currently involved. Technically speaking, these " wars" are all just different phases of the same conflict. Due to the ever-changing and complicated nature of the conflict, however, each of the phases has it's own separate article. This policy isn't new to this conflict. We used the same approach with the article on the conflict in Somalia. I see no reason to change that policy because of some similarities between two distinct phases of the conflict, for that is what they are. We need to stop looking at the recent confict in Afghanistan as a distinct war, and view it as simply the latest phases of a conflict that dates back to the Cold War. I think that is the mistake Juno and the others who are in favor of merging the two articles have made. Anasaitis ( talk) 19:44, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, and the Rolling Stones isn't exactly a reliable source. They aren't experts on political or military history. They are merely a magazine that discusses popular culture. They're also no strangers to exaggeration and fabrication, as their history can attest. The first two sources are more reliable, but It appears that whoever provides the links didn't properly link the third source, as I can't find it. Still, I don't think we should move the article based on just two reliable sources and two unreliable or inaccessible ones. Anasaitis ( talk) 19:47, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I think you should not reduce the War in Afghanistan (2001–present) to a mere "phase of the afghan civil war", because this conflict is embedded within a much larger context: the War on Terror. The afghan war began in 2001 on the pretext of fighting terrorism, but the United States still continue bombing and launching operations to combat terrorism in the country. Then how can you say that there is a different war? The U.S and NATO interests in Afghanistan has changed the 2014 to 2015? 177.68.222.63 ( talk) 00:40, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
If need be cite more sources to what is being said: [6], [7], [8] ... I understand that War in Afghanistan (2001-present) is a specific article for the Western intervention in Afghanistan. So now we have NATO providing training to Afghan forces fight the terrorists and the US making counter-terrorism operations, and this war is fits into the context of the War on Terror, then I believe that Western interest in the country is the same since 2001. The only thing that changed it was the removal of a large contingent of troops from Afghanistan and ISAF being replaced by the Resolute Support Mission; namely changed the strategy but the goal remains been the same since 2001. In addition, until now no one has presented reliable sources that support unquestionably so that in 2015 there is a "new phase of the afghan civil war" and that this "other war" began on 1 January 2015 as reported in the article... original research? 177.103.3.151 ( talk) 23:56, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to bring attention to the maps detailing the various factions and current territorial status in other articles, and was wondering if any user is experienced in making these? I am referring to the maps on these articles:
I'd thought it would be worthwhile, as Afghanistan is a fairly important theater of military operations in the world, and with the Taliban taking more territory in the country [1] [2], that it should be represented like in the articles above. -- Ritsaiph ( talk) 03:36, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Now that American forces have an explicitly combat mission, can we own up to reality and change this? Juno ( talk) 22:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Taliban is Sunni - Iran is Shia, Iran supported the Shias who are against the Taliban (Hasaras) /info/en/?search=Hazaras — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.84.36.197 ( talk) 22:56, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved per opposes stated below. ( non-admin closure) Tiggerjay ( talk) 02:13, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (2015–present) →
Afghan Civil War (2015–present) – As ISAF/NATO's involvement in Afghanistan ended, propose that the title of the article should be amended to
Afghan Civil War (2015–present).
Following the example of
Soviet–Afghan War: when the soviet intervention is over, the war has changed phase and the conflict just happened to be a civil war (
Afghan Civil War (1989–92)). The same should be applied here, following the pattern described in
Afghan civil war (the phases of civil war without foreign direct involvement are referred to as "Afghan Civil War").
177.188.61.136 (
talk)
14:15, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
I removed Qatar from the info-box under 'Support' for the Taliban due to the fact that in other conflicts shown on Wikipedia, countries have only been included as supporters of a group depending on what kind of aid they provide. See list of armed groups in the Syrian civil war and then the Syrian civil war infobox to understand what I mean.
In the case of Pakistan, Iran and Russia, it is cited in various sources that Taliban commanders and hierarchy have received weapons, intelligence, and protection from any one of the three nations listed. This is why they are presently listed in the info-box.
The source mentioning Qatar was dated (2014) and highlighted a political office built for a Taliban delegation to negotiate potential peace talks with the U.S and Afghan government. Qatar was playing the role of host, allowing for discussions between the various groups to take place on its soil. This should not be misconstrued as Qatar internationally recognizing Taliban sovereignty over Afghanistan, or even sheltering Taliban officials, much like Pakistan has done. It's like writing China supports the Taliban due to China hosting talks with Taliban and Afghan government officials as well, see here [9]. Maybe it was the way the article heading was written; Qatar’s Support of Islamists Alienates Allies Near and Far and the history of financial and even military Qatari support for the Muslim brotherhood, Hamas and Libya and Syria's various islamist militias. But there is no such credible evidence indicating that Qatar is aiding the Taliban insurgency in the Afghan conflict, unlike in Libya or Syria. Nor is there any evidence that the Qatari government have even taken sides in the conflict. -- Donenne ( talk) 07:31, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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The war in Afghanistan articles since 2001 need to be reformed.
A new article should be created called 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, or 2001 Afghanistan War, using content from War in Afghanistan (2001–2014). The reason for this is because what happened in 2001 is a whole different entity. The 2001 war involved the Northern Alliance with US air support fighting and toppling the Taliban. Everything that happened after December 2001 is simply the 'aftermath' of the war. From 2002 onwards, there was no more Northern Alliance, no more US air support, no longer a Taliban to be toppled. In fact, there wasn't even a 'war' going on anymore, as the remaining Taliban members were very low in numbers and most of the country was secured (it didn't take until about 2005 for them to properly kickstart a new insurgency campaign). ISAF was created in December 2001 not for war, but security. It's a whole different thing. There was no war after Dec 2001, but simply an effort from NATO to secure the country. The remaining (post-Dec 2001) content should stay in this article, but it should be renamed to NATO intervention in Afghanistan or similar (like e.g. NATO intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and like that article says, the same principles 'establish, preserve, peace during and after war' applied to their ISAF mission in Afghanistan). The confusion lies among the fact that the Taliban have been insurgents since 2002, but NATO had a mission of their own from Dec 2001 to Dec 2014.
In addition, the article War in Afghanistan (2015-present) should be merged into Taliban insurgency (which covers their insurgency since 2002). The reason is that the name of the article suggests that a new war started, when in fact nothing new happened except that NATO's mission ended. This is why the current 2001-2014 article needs to be renamed to NATO intervention. The current situation in Afghanistan is the same as it was in 2002, with the main difference being that NATO's mission ended - the Taliban are still continuing their insurgency activities. Whilst there are a few smaller groups rivalling both the Taliban and the government currently, the main conflict is between government and Taliban. ISIL do operate in Afghanistan but they are not 'insurgents' like the Taliban - they do not recognize the countries and only claim their own 'caliphate' - they themselves are rivals of the Taliban. In the Colombian conflict for instance, there are several groups fighting the government but the one predominant group is FARC. In the current Syrian civil war as well, ISIL is a participant (not one of the 'main' rebels fighting the government like the Free Syrian Army) but the international intervention is a different article, Military intervention against ISIL. In Afghanistan, ever since 2002, the predominant anti-government group has always been the Taliban.
Summary of changes (my personal suggestion):
Due to the potential major changes, these are likely going to be controversial among some people, so I would like to allow this proposal to stay in place for a long time before any decisions are made.
Discuss these proposals on Talk:War in Afghanistan (2001–2014). Thank you.
-- Hyperwq+639 ( talk) 15:21, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
-- Peterius ( talk) 03:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC) - I don't understand why there are 2016 and 2017 dates underneath the 2015 timeline section heading. If its part of a general summary, it shouldn't be under 2015 but before it.
Hello, I think all this alleged support to Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan should be simply removed because it appears to be engineered by geo-political opponents of Pakistan, Iran and Russia to portray them in a negative light as sort of warmongers or something and opponents of NATO-backed "order".
The sources are contradicting themselves with some speculating of possible support and others denying it, I don't think speculation of some 2nd-grade self-proclaimed editor or journalist qualifies as undeniable truth, conflict is a serious matter and entire countries shouldn't be added to the list of belligerents just because their governments have certain influential and powerful political opponents among the Wikipedia editors community. Let me be clear, alleged support is not support.
If anyone please could remove all-together the "alleged support" section or add unquestionable sources which definitely prove support of these nations to the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan I'd be very grateful, there's also a similar situation going on in article Yemeni Civil War (2015–present), we all know Saudis, Qataris and Americans have long argued that Iran is somehow involved in that conflict without providing any proof whatsoever but addition of DPRK and Russia to the list is absolutely libelous and against the spirit of Wikipedia if not against some of the rules themselves, the proof against those countries is virtually non-existent apart from some article written by a student in 2015 speculating that Russia somehow could be possibly involved, I mean come on, that constitutes a legitimate source to designate entire country at a state of war?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.63.161.19 ( talk) 22:22, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
I support this proposal, imo wikipedia isn't rumour site its a knowledge site, just sayin. GroundlessAir ( talk) 20:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. There are dozens of reliable sources backing up the claim of Russian assistance to the Taliban: - CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-supplying-taliban-weapons-top-us-general-afghanistan-suggests/ - Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/17/evidence-russian-military-support-for-afghan-taliban-is-growing.html - Voice of America: https://www.voanews.com/a/afghan-officiall-russian-advisers-help-taliban-contested-province/3806102.html - Business Insider: http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia-supporting-taliban-2017-1?r=US&IR=T - CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/24/europe/putin-taliban-isis/index.html - Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/23/russia-is-sharing-information-with-the-taliban-to-fight-the-islamic-state/?utm_term=.ede85d83abea - Washington Times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/29/l-todd-wood-russia-begins-supplying-weapons-afghan/ - 1TV: http://1tvnews.af/en/news/afghanistan/28134-russia-provides-cash-military-support-to-taliban-in-kunduz-sources
Given the prevalence of this allegation, it should certainly be noticed in this article.-- 92.237.23.242 ( talk) 20:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved, as the two articles are currently in the process of being merged. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:3C26:246D:820:6640 ( talk) 14:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
War in Afghanistan (2015–present) → ? – An RM at what was Talk:War in Afghanistan (2001–2014) determined that the two articles should be merged to War in Afghanistan (2001–present), because the topics are essentially one and the same, with slightly different actors. That article, however, is upwards of 250 KB, with several sub-articles already split off. A traditional merge/redirect would make the article unwieldy, and two (20XX–present) articles may be confusing. What should we call this subtopic? — Guan aco 02:48, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Example, "On 14 March 2016, Khanneshin District in Helmand Province fell to the Taliban; and district by district, Afghan troops are retreating . . . " "fell" is past tense; "are retreating" is present progressive, implying present on-going action. But an article like this will quickly be incorrect if tied to present like that. The present quickly becomes past. A correction would be, for example, "were retreating as of March 14, 2016. IMHO present tense & historic present tense should be avoided on Wikipedia since the present soon becomes past, and present tense statements become false. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 17:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC))
Is there anyone who understands this war well enough to summarize it in broad brush so that the forest can be seen, & not just a multitude of trees? An introduction serving that purpose would surely help the article. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 17:58, 18 July 2017 (UTC))
Looking over this article, I am finding a lot of punctuation / mechanical errors, like failing to put a , before a quote. Sometimes I cannot fix these because I am unsure what the author meant to say. It would be best if the author can fix these errors himself, as he may be the only person who knows what he meant to say. Ideally the author would collaborate with someone who knows how to compose English correctly. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 18:08, 18 July 2017 (UTC))